OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #11

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This is a RUMOR which came from an anonymous poster's comment below an early media article. That is the same comment that the RUMOR about the appointment came from. You will most likely not find this on a link anywhere unless someone took a screenshot of the comment, because the comment was removed from the site within a day or so of the original posting. (I am not sure it is ok to post this, but the poster of the comment used the name Rand.)
This is exactly what my research showed so we are officially calling the info about the appointment and the pick up of the project as rumor and off the threads!
thank you.
 
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Okay, I have searched and tried to find an actual article about this and I can't do it. But, here is the page of the thread where it was discussed.

Does anyone else remember when (I believe it was the Step Grandmother) it was said that Kyron was afraid of the police.

A normal 7 year old that isn't all that unusual. But THIS 7 year old has a Stepdad who IS a police officer. Why would Kyron be afraid of the police, if it is true that he is?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106082&page=6

That's been bugging me. :waitasec:

thank you for bringing that up! i remember that from the very first day this all unfolded (on scanner thread) and wanted to ask but was a little leary after finding out D's husband was LE and did in no way want it to look like it was implying innuendos
 
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It makes even less sense to me that he would be afraid of the police, having a step-dad as a cop, even if not a uniform one. You would think he would have been taught early on that police, as a rule, are on your side. But again, do we KNOW he was afraid fo police? Did Grandma say this and was it in context of that he might fear uniformed searchers? Oh I don't know anything anymore...
 
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This question was asked & answered by LE at the Kyron update press conference on 6/9/10 at noon. There is evidence on the Kyron thread that day at noon Pacific time (check it out) and you can also go watch the news conference in the media thread if it's there.

Also, you can search & read the early Somer threads and you'll find the discusion of the presence of 24 hour police liason. You can also see that Somer's body was found quickly with plenty of evidence and that the murder was solved.

Finally, yesterday on Kyron's threads (there might have been as many as 3 threads yesterday!) someone linked us up with the FBI info on family liasons in such situations.

I think the fact that they were offered this service is not a good thing in terms of what they are worried about for Kyron.

I have no info as to whether the liason is still there and if it's still 24 hours. Just that, apparently, it was on that occasion of that press conference.

Thanks for replying to my post, Emma. I'm not sure if we are communicating because the thread is moving so fast. I do realize that during Wed's press conference it was stated that an officer was staying with the Horman's in their home; stating the officer went to his own home to sleep at night and then returned in the mornings. Other posters here pointed out that it was stated that actually there were (are) officers round the clock with them. One poster heard it would be for the duration, though I haven't read this or heard it stated myself.

As for Somer's family, I didn't read here so I will take your word on the twenty-four hour liaison. I have to disagree with you about that case being solved. There hasn't even been a trial and not nearly enough information has been released to the public for us to know that this man is the perpetrator. This is my very strong belief and opinion.
 
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www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/fcs/pdfs/Bully_guide.pdf

In general, I was thinking about bullying, even subtle bullying. Particularly since Kyron's classroom had both 2nd and 3rd graders. I was the youngest one in my class so there was up to a 1-year chrono difference between me and the other kids, more in terms of emotional maturity. With two grades combined that could be a 2-year difference or even more depending on chronological age and emotional maturity. Seems to me like a set-up for bullying behavior? I don't know, so I'm throwing this out to y'all.

The article linked above says that 3rd graders are into "it's not fair" --- and that just got me thinking about Kyron having gotten help from his family on his science project.... and maybe a kid or two teasing him about it not being fair as they toured the other rooms in groups of 6... Apparently we've heard Kyron wasn't there at the end of the tour (from a child interviewed on tv with his grandmother's permission).

Big question is was there a head count at the beginning also? If so, then he could've been touring with the group between 9 and 10am. Did he lag behind? LE must have found a child or two who could remember the last exhibit Kyron was at with them with some certainty? I wonder if LE geared up after getting a better idea of which classroom Kyron was last seen touring through? Or if a child heard/saw Kyron getting picked on?

Although there was also a talent show that afternoon at 1PM, wouldn't kids have noticed he wasn't in school from 10AM to lunch, then at lunch? It seems they didn't spend the normal amount of time in their classrooms that day, but wouldn't kids be piping up from time to time about "Where's Kyron?" "Why is his backpack and jacket here?" "He's probably in the bathroom" can only go so far! (If the words of a child can be relied upon.)

If, indeed, it was true that some people thought he had an appointment, where did that statement originate? If a child made a big mistake like sending a friend off somewhere and him not returning, a child might initially try to cover herself with a statement like that.

Just speculating.....



I don't know about the appointment rumor...it doesn't make sense to me, because IF his teachers thought he left with SM for an appointment, wouldn't they wonder why he didn't take along his jacket and backpack?
 
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Is that confirmed? That they are searching the Pumpkin Patch on Sauvie?
There are 2 major one, but only one with that name.
I'd appreciate some background for that, please.

Okay, it almost killed me but I'm back with what I think I read to ask that question about pumpkin patches on sauvie island.

lol.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_family_makes_emo.html
<snipped>
A small crew on horseback headed to Sauvie Island, where members of a mounted sheriff's posse went house to house beneath gradually clearing skies. The sound of clopping hooves mixed with the thwock-thwock of helicopter blades from an Oregon National Guard UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter flying overhead.

The helicopter made passes along a north-south line as the mounted riders headed north along Sauvie Island Road, riding through orchards and across the island's farm fields and pumpkin patches.

there ya go.

now, I'm going to take a posting nap to recover from all this "link-please" that I caused for myself. :floorlaugh:
 
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worth nothing but I thought I throw this out there that I had a dream about Kyron.
In the dream I heard the word, "bamboozle" several times.
He was "bamboozled" in my dream. fwiw. moo


bamboozle - conceal one's true motives from especially by elaborately feigning good intentions so as to gain an end
 
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This is a RUMOR which came from an anonymous poster's comment below an early media article. That is the same comment that the RUMOR about the appointment came from. You will most likely not find this on a link anywhere unless someone took a screenshot of the comment, because the comment was removed from the site within a day or so of the original posting. (I am not sure it is ok to post this, but the poster of the comment used the name Randomdood.)

Thank you, I remember the Randomdood name. It makes me so mad that people post false info on those comment things.
 
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here is the original report from the news saying he was shy and afraid of the police:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5252320&postcount=149"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #1[/ame]
 
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So far I have traced discussion about the appointment and the email to a comment left on an article around 6-8. if this is indeed the source of either of the comments, we can chuck this from the good info column.
still searching.

Also, this is why people ask for links to info you may post. It is not to be snarky, it is to keep speculation from growing legs and becoming fact. It happens in every case and that is why we all try to police each other. It is so that we have the most accurate information on the web.

Except for Tanner's couple of interviews, Terri's mom's info at the very beginning and LE press conferences, as far as I know, nothing specific that went on that day at the school or with Terri is linkable. Anything about appointments, emails, who saw Kyron where at what time, what was posted on fb , etc. are all either from anonymous comments or fb pages now private. No one at that school, as far as I know, except Tanner, has been quoted in print about anything that went on that day with Kyron or Terri.
Am I wrong, anyone?
 
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Ummmmm... didja read the update FB Missing Kyron? They don't need anymore donations of food or water. :(
 
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Okay, I have searched and tried to find an actual article about this and I can't do it. But, here is the page of the thread where it was discussed.

Does anyone else remember when (I believe it was the Step Grandmother) it was said that Kyron was afraid of the police.

A normal 7 year old that isn't all that unusual. But THIS 7 year old has a Stepdad who IS a police officer. Why would Kyron be afraid of the police, if it is true that he is?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106082&page=6

That's been bugging me. :waitasec:

IDK but having a step father that in LE I don't think he would be scare of police.

MY GS think police officers are cool :)
 
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Or money.

My first instinct is to say it's bad news, henced the pushed-back presser, but I guess he could have been found alive, too.

Time to delete my ticker, I guess. It started over.
 
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Thanks for replying to my post, Emma. I'm not sure if we are communicating because the thread is moving so fast. I do realize that during Wed's press conference it was stated that an officer was staying with the Horman's in their home; stating the officer went to his own home to sleep at night and then returned in the mornings. Other posters here pointed out that it was stated that actually there were (are) officers round the clock with them. One poster heard it would be for the duration, though I haven't read this or heard it stated myself.

As for Somer's family, I didn't read here so I will take your word on the twenty-four hour liaison. I have to disagree with you about that case being solved. There hasn't even been a trial and not nearly enough information has been released to the public for us to know that this man is the perpetrator. This is my very strong belief and opinion.



What exactly is the definition of the word "solved" from LE's point of view, I wonder? You're welcome to use another word such as "indictment" where I said "solved" if you'd feel better about that.

So ya, the thread's moving fast and perhaps we're not communicating. I've done my best to answer your question though, and I've spent some time doing so, simply because you asked.

Sorry if my answers didn't help you much.
 
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It makes even less sense to me that he would be afraid of the police, having a step-dad as a cop, even if not a uniform one. You would think he would have been taught early on that police, as a rule, are on your side. But again, do we KNOW he was afraid fo police? Did Grandma say this and was it in context of that he might fear uniformed searchers? Oh I don't know anything anymore...

Two people whose interviews with the press I'm putting little stock in:

1) Carol Moulton
2) TP
 
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Regarding the report of a subsitute and her alleged statement about Kyron being missing and the other teacher I snipped this portion of an article:

Portland Public School spokesman Matt Shelby said the account can't be true: "There were no substitutes at the school that day (the day Kyron disappeared)," he said.

Shelby thinks Pumala may be confused because all week after the disappearance a subsitute teacher has been at the school to help with the stress of the Horman case.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...te-noticed-Horman/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx
 
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Or money.

My first instinct is to say it's bad news, henced the pushed-back presser, but I guess he could have been found alive, too.

Time to delete my ticker, I guess. It started over.

Maybe so much has been donated they dont have any where to store it all and so want to use what they have up first?
 
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