OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #13

[BeanE]

Just bouncing off your post:

BBM:

Calling all school teacher/personalle on WS.

Please correct me if I am wrong. (in Canada & might be different there)

I am under the assumption that ONLY the people listed in my childs file, have the right to pic him up and for emergency if I am not available.

ie. when my son went to school, his file has Me, Dad, Grandma & Grandpa. It is my understanding that my husband and I are the MAIN contact and IF the school could not contact me, they would phone the other people on my list.

IMO: Kyron most likely has a list too. ONLY the people on that list would LEGALLY be allowed to take him from school..ect.

SO, the only reason the teacher/staff was NOT alarmed that Kyron was absent, is because someone on that list took him.

If the world were perfect and everything always worked the way it was supposed to.

 

[TrialAddict]

BBM: No comment! Lips are sealed waiting for a more appropriate time.

Here is a hint though: Who has the authority over the school personnel regarding the children that attend public school?

You mean a parent?

 

[Reannan]

That's taken from an editorial, without referencing a source. I'll take it with a grain of salt until I hear his parents or LE or a spokesperson for the school confirm he was to be in the show.

I am at the mercy of the media for my sources....

"The fair happened early Friday; Kyron was also scheduled to take part in the school talent show that afternoon, but he never made it there." http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/06/clinging_to_hope_on_summers_cu.html

 

[JBean]

1. I think that his teacher did not expect Kyron because she knew he left. Someone saw him leave with his stepmother. That's what I believe. She's still teaching at the school in the classroom with the children she supervises, and if she had been negligent, then she would have been placed on administrative leave.

2. Because Terri was not there to watch Kyron in the talent show, and as someone prior to me upthread stated, end-of-the-year talent shows are huge deals for children and their parents. Yet Kyron was not there; neither was his mom who heretofore had been very involved in school happenings.

All my opinion.

1. Is the report that the teacher assumed he was getting a drink or something when she took attendance unconfirmed?
2. So you think this is red flag behavior of all 4 parents? or just some?

 

[Calliope]

"Nora Schreiber, a Skyline parent and volunteer, said the school has three main entrances and one secure exit. Two of the doorways are near the main office and are monitored, while a third on the north side of the school is not. Kyron's classroom is adjacent to that door, which opens onto a rear parking lot.

Schreiber said she and her son, Jacob, 9, were interviewed Sunday by a federal agent. She said she told the agent that Friday was an especially hectic day at Skyline.

"On a normal day, seeing a stranger will make you go, 'Hmm. I wonder who that is?' On such a hectic day as Friday, there was such a lot going on. To tell you the truth, I was focused on looking at the (science) project and helping Jacob fill out his (evaluation) form and not on the faces around me."

Schreiber said Kyron was supposed to perform in the school's talent show at 1 p.m. but she didn't see him there."


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html

Thanks, but that's not kyron's parents, LE, or a school official. She may be correct, but I'm waiting for someone connected to this case or kyron to confirm this.

 

[Beyond Belief]

This child's attendance is messed up and this is the child out of 300 that goes missing.

Not making sense at all.

 

[BeanE]

Day 11 Administrative Media Briefing on Kyron Horman investigation set for 11 a.m. on Monday, June 14 - 06/13/10

Multnomah County Sheriff's Office Capt. Jason Gates will give an administrative media briefing at 11:00am on the public-information plan as the Kyron Horman investigation moves forward.

The briefing will be held Monday (June 14, 2010) at the Brooks Hill Historic Church (11539 NW Skyline Blvd., Portland, OR 97231).

http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276

 

[Wendy101]

Do you mean e.g. school administration, tax payers, something like that?

No. I mean who has authority over a child? Who has the right to take when he/she sees fit?
Who has the right to say to a teacher... this child is coming with me today?

Remember, apparently the teacher was not alarmed about Kyrons absense.

So it only makes sense the teacher bowed to someone who could legally say they we doing so. So, she marked him absent - as she should.

 

[SuziQ]

Just bouncing off your post:

BBM:

Calling all school teacher/personalle on WS.

Please correct me if I am wrong. (in Canada & might be different there)

I am under the assumption that ONLY the people listed in my childs file, have the right to pic him up and for emergency if I am not available.

ie. when my son went to school, his file has Me, Dad, Grandma & Grandpa. It is my understanding that my husband and I are the MAIN contact and IF the school could not contact me, they would phone the other people on my list.

IMO: Kyron most likely has a list too. ONLY the people on that list would LEGALLY be allowed to take him from school..ect.

SO, the only reason the teacher/staff was NOT alarmed that Kyron was absent, is because someone on that list took him.

Or someone said they saw him leave with someone on the list and staff didn't check to see that it was true.

 

[pufnstuf]

I've read Kyron was supposed to be in the talent show - absolutely no confirmation that step-mom was going to be there. She has an 18mo beautiful little girl who may have a nap time around 1:00. No confirmation that Kyron's dad was going to be there - maybe the parents just couldn't make it. Idk for sure. moo

The baby was often at school events with stepmom...from carry-around-baby age to toddler-age.

She was with SM when she read to Kyron's class. She was with SM when Kyron did his bridge presentation. She was with SM when SM helped kids plant sunflowers in their little pots in their classroom for mother's day.


I still go back to the "we" on Kaine's letter. However, I do wonder if he was taking care of the baby while SM was to be at the science fair and the talent show. I do continue to wonder if he took the day off, or if he was at work when Kyron was discovered missing. I wonder if she claims to have missed the talent show because she was running errands and it slipped her mind.

All speculation or information after reading a huge amount of stuff hither and yon. Probably not worth two cents. =/

 

[Calliope]

Many of the public feel a specific way about this case. Many many. One only has to read the comments on the news websites to see that an overwhelming percentage of people feel a specific way.

LE needs the public's help to solve this case. They've been begging the public to send in tips.

So far, LE hasn't said the word "abducted", haven't even HINTED that this child was TAKEN except to say it's a criminal investigation. And where's the Amber Alert?

I just wish they would publicly announce that they have cleared the people who last saw Kyron. It would really help the investigation. The public would stop thinking one way and start thinking another. And then maybe, just maybe, they might start thinking about their day on June 4th in a different way and might remember things that they didn't think were relevant.

bbm

maybe, but I sincerely doubt it.

People have already tried and convicted sm. Sadly, I don't think anything the police say at this point would convince them she's not involved.

 

[JBean]

Hmm..Here's my question.

His stepmom didn't walk him to class, she just watched him walk to his classroom, right? And the stepmom had previously informed the teacher about his appointment, I think..

I'm just wondering if Kyron walked back to the classroom without his stepmom..If the teacher was actually inside the class and said something like 'Oh, Kyron, welcome back! I thought you had an appointment today? Did you forget something?'

At what time did the stepmom inform the teacher regarding the appointment?
In my opinion, NO ONE wants to be 'That lady who lost a child' ya know? The teacher must have been 100% certain Kyron would not be in school that day...

There is no indication that anyone informed the school about an appt. this does not have any basis in fact nor was it reported by any MSM.This is an important distinction to make.

 

[GourmetSoy]

I know it hasn't been "officially" confirmed that Kyron was supposed to be in the 1pm talent show. It has been said all along however. If he was supposed to be in it, what was he going to perform?

It has been said that he's a very quiet boy, timid etc. I wonder if he was particularly nervous about the talent show that day? Could he have went somewhere to hide and gotten lost or by chance came into contact then with the person who took him? He's used to being outdoors, it was said that he fishes etc. He would feel comfortable outdoors, would he go outside to get out of the talent show?

 

[4BB]

I'm trying to find exact statements..

Did SM say she waved goodbye to Kyron from 150 ft away?

*If* SM told the teacher that there was an appointment then during the exchange between the sub and teacher I would expect her to say "oh Kyron is going to an appointment" as opposed to "maybe he went to get a drink of water". Anyone want to expand on this? Maybe you've got a different perspective.

Have any locals taken a look at the map of points of interest by LE? Im wondering if LE is possibly using cell phone pings to determine these points of interest.
What to locals think of the map?
Thanks

 

[human]

I have been thinking about this alot.Whether by fact or rumor.One teacher apparantly might have been told of an appointment?Was this the teacher that marked him absent?I feel there is a reason why she was not alarmed.We just don't know it yet.Another article said 2 teachers saw little Kyron with his step mother and thought he left with his step mother.I find it very interesting that 3 teachers thought he left with his step mother.I would like to hear all 3 teachers side of the story.

The only time you will hear this is by rumor on some site or at the time of a n arrest.

I am sure that these teachers are under a gag rule issued by the school district. As a matter of fact, I am sure that all of the school employees are under a gag rule.

This is a criminal investigation and no one can comment that may be involved with info of that day, I am sure.

I am not sure what they do about the parents who have info.

I don't know if LE has told them that they can get them for obstruction of justice if they talk or not. I am not a lawyer,, so I don't know.

I just know as a school district employee where I live, there have been instances-nothing like this-and we have been told that we are not to speak.

We have been told that the school district liaison will do all of the talking.

 

[pufnstuf]

1. Is the report that the teacher assumed he was getting a drink or something when she took attendance unconfirmed?
2. So you think this is red flag behavior of all 4 parents? or just some?

1. In my mind it is. I'm hesitant to trust information gleaned from a child whose parents sought out the media.

2. No, I think it's a red-flag behavior for the woman who was charged with his care-taking... a woman who is a stay-at-home-mom. The other parents are employed or live away from Portland. This parent lives two miles from the school and is unemployed, except for being a SAHM, which, in my opinion, IS a job, but it has a much looser schedule than, say a nurse, or police investigator, or intel employee.

 

[Amster]

Why are the comments made by a 7 yr. old classmate being taken as gospel but comments from others, quoted in the media, being treated as "unverified"? Have LE or the parents verified the 7 year olds comments? Has the teacher? Only thing I've seen is a school official saying the classmate was mistaken....if the only info that can be believed comes from LE or the parents, then we KNOW next to nothing.

Many have said they hope the SM doesn't ever see the unkind comments made about her.....I feel the same about Kyrons' teacher.

 

[arielilane]

Considering 2 of his parents live 5 hours away & both have jobs, I wouldn't expect them to be at a talent show.

No idea why the other 2 weren't there.

Joshiesmom, welcome to WS! Thank you for being here. Please know that our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of sweet Kyron. I can't imagine the pain they are going through. We hope for a safe return home for Kyron.

 

[violet67]

Just bouncing off your post:

BBM:

Calling all school teacher/personalle on WS.

Please correct me if I am wrong. (in Canada & might be different there)

I am under the assumption that ONLY the people listed in my childs file, have the right to pic him up and for emergency if I am not available.

ie. when my son went to school, his file has Me, Dad, Grandma & Grandpa. It is my understanding that my husband and I are the MAIN contact and IF the school could not contact me, they would phone the other people on my list.

IMO: Kyron most likely has a list too. ONLY the people on that list would LEGALLY be allowed to take him from school..ect.

SO, the only reason the teacher/staff was NOT alarmed that Kyron was absent, is because someone on that list took him.

i work in the school system (in canada) and that is exactly the protocol we have at our schools (elementary,middle and high school)

 

[ElizaAvalon]

bbm

maybe, but I sincerely doubt it.

People have already tried and convicted sm. Sadly, I don't think anything the police say at this point would convince them she's not involved.

Well, it would convince me, that's for sure.