OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #14

[krazyfingerzz]

What happened to the list of pseudo-verified rumours with links? I think that would be so helpful, so that misinformation like with Tanner's account, doesn't happen? It's really hard to simply remember what's been going on, and this case and these threads are really flying. I could have sworn we had a list way back? Is anyone still working on that? Does anyone want help? I think the Tanner info, the scanner info, the original times reported, should end up on that list. Also, the places searched, the various requests for video, too.

 

[krazyfingerzz]

I wonder where Tanner was when he said he saw this, and how credible LE thinks he is??? Was he in parking lot?????

No, no, no! Here:

Tanner said the following, not that he saw Terri driving away:

"Fuhrer said that Tanner told her that he had seen Kyron's mom leaving the school building and Kyron was not with her when she left."

From http://www.examiner.com/x-46795-Miss...-criminal-case

Ack, i feel so responsible and I need another cigarette...

 

[BeanE]

Yeah, his statements are out there. I feel it was reckless of whomever his caretaker is to allow him to go on camera and put those statements out there.

But now that they're in the media, I believe that we can discuss them and the veracity of them. If they're going to be used at WS as source material, then I think a critical eye should be applied.

Yes, questioning, analyzing, and discussing statements he actually made. But making up stuff and saying he said it, then slamming him for it, when he didn't even say it, is just plain wrong.

 

[Bee Charmer]

That is absolutely untrue. TP never said he saw anyone driving anywhere.

My God. This poor child. God help and protect him.

I agree, he should have been protected by his grandmother and not put before the media to talk about the case.

 

[pufnstuf]

Not sure how you know these things Puff, do you know Desiree personally or are you getting information from a family member? You also mentioned SM had her 18mo in daycare that Friday, and I never heard that (sure could have missed it all). Please include links or let us know where these 'facts' are coming from. TIA

Did I say that Desiree had her daughter in daycare on Friday? Could you point me toward where I posted that?

Desiree's sister who was in the media stated that she was going to Portland to be with her sister.

 

[angelmom]

IMO, yes the school could be held responsible if, and only if, Kyron did NOT leave with a person who had legal guardianship of him.

The legal guardians have power over their own child. If someone wants to take their child out of school for the day, the school can not do anything about that. The parent is the guardian NOT the school...what the parent says goes..

So, IF the school was told that Kyron would not be there OR IF they were told he has an appointment, then so be it. Is the school wrong for letting him go with his guardian (if this is what happened)

Long story short, IMO, the school will ONLY be held accountable IF Kyron was taken by a non-guardian.

But the school can and should make the person sign the child out. Even if TH did tell the teacher Kyron had an appointment and took him out (which I personally DO NOT believe right now), Desiree would be able to make a civil case against the school for not documenting it and for putting them through this hell.

B/c if Terri (or any other guardian) had signed him out, then there would be a very clear path to follow. They would have asked if anyone had seen Terri OR Kyron; they would have plastered her picture and pictures of her vehicles everywhere hoping someone might have seen her coming from a dump/stash site.

The fact that we haven't even seen her taken to the police station to be questioned or poly'd, IMHO, is a clear signal that LE is treating her like a victim, not a suspect, or even really a witness. And so should we unless that changes.

The school is absolutely still responsible for Kyron. It was in all likelihood a completely innocent mistake, maybe a series of mistakes, but it was the school's mistake.

I don't think the teacher still being in the classroom tells us anything. If it is determined that a series of miscommunications caused her to genuinely believe Terri had taken Kyron, then she will still feel horrible for the rest of her life but she will probably keep her job.

 

[Chili Fries]

Tanner said the following, not that he saw Terri driving away:

"Fuhrer said that Tanner told her that he had seen Kyron's mom leaving the school building and Kyron was not with her when she left."

From http://www.examiner.com/x-46795-Miss...-criminal-case

The Examiner is notoriously unreliable. It's more like a blog than a credible news source. Somebody will have to watch the interview with Tanner again to sort out what he really said.

 

[Cher352]

Suppose this is a case like Staynor and Hornbeck, two children taken by a molestor, then when they got a few years older the molestor wants ANOTHER young boy. In the Staynor case, Parnell (the perp) used Steven to help lure the younger boy. I wonder if there are any "single" fathers in that area, raising a young man by himself?

I've started looking through the "missing" young boys in Oregon and Washington for the past 10 years, assuming the perp has an age preference, in this case 7 or so. It seems when the one captured child begins to mature, it's time for another.

I don't know if these if a workable hypothesis or not, but if anyone wants to help, I haven't gotten to Washington State yet, I'm only halfway through the missing from 2000 onward of young boys around 7, give or take a few years.

You know that could be possible.

I know everyone was trying to remember any strange adults they saw at the school but I wonder if they asked people about any strange older children at school? Would Kryon walk off with another boy even if he didn't know him on the pretense of helping him getting something out of a car or truck? The perp could have been waiting in the car waiting for the older child to bring back a younger one.

 

[krazyfingerzz]

Yeah, his statements are out there. I feel it was reckless of whomever his caretaker is to allow him to go on camera and put those statements out there.

But now that they're in the media, I believe that we can discuss them and the veracity of them. If they're going to be used at WS as source material, then I think a critical eye should be applied.

Puf, I fully agree with your original post that noted this and I still say grandma may have messed things up, leading people to question Tanner's statement. But what he actually said was:

"Fuhrer said that Tanner told her that he had seen Kyron's mom leaving the school building and Kyron was not with her when she left."


From http://www.examiner.com/x-46795-Miss...-criminal-case

We can all have our beliefs, and so many are so very logical, but we need to keep what little we know, accurate, in support of those beliefs. Again, where is that list of what we think we know?

 

[Emma Peel]

BTW, if you guys want to know about specific laws as the case moves on, let me know. I am a "verified local" and know government officials in different realms. It's cuz of the work I do, which I'd rather keep anonymous but Tricia knows all about it.

LOL Kimster!

Like we all don't know you're an alien being whose job with FBI-Xfiles Division is to clear aliens from being blamed for abductions. :dance:

 

[pufnstuf]

Yes, questioning, analyzing, and discussing statements he actually made. But making up stuff and saying he said it, then slamming him for it, when he didn't even say it, is just plain wrong.

Who's slammed him? I must have missed that.

 

[BeanE]

The Examiner is notoriously unreliable. It's more like a blog than a credible news source. Somebody will have to watch the interview with Tanner again to sort out what he really said.

Horman's Desk Mate Says Substitute Noticed Him Missing
Last Update: 6/09 11:30 pm

snip the first person to notice Kyron Horman was missing was a substitute teacher who was taking a head count as the second and third grade class was re-assembling after visiting other classrooms for a science fair at Skyline School last Friday.

"And she was like 'oh no where's Kyron there's only five' and Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says Tanner Pumala.

snip Tanner says Kyron was in school for at least an hour Friday morning and that he saw Kyron's step-mother leave the school without Kyron.

snip Upon hearing the substitute teacher noticing that Kyron was not present in the classroom, Pumala says the regular teacher said Kyron had probably gone to get a drink of water or to use the bathroom.

snip Pumala's grandmother says F-B-I agents and Multnomah County investigators have asked Pumala and his grandmother not to speak with the media, for reasons they did not divulge. Fuhrur says she decided to allow her grandson talk snip

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...itute-Noticed-Him/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx

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Classmate: 'I Hope My Best Friend Comes Back'
Kyron Horman Last Seen Friday Morning
POSTED: 7:06 am PDT June 9, 2010
UPDATED: 8:24 am PDT June 9, 2010

Article: http://www.kptv.com/news/23842774/detail.html

Video: http://www.kptv.com/video/23842579/index.html

 

[Kimster]

Just got off the phone with a dear friend who has worked in administration for an Oregon school district for many years that is NOT in Portland. She is still employed there.

She told me that the school's culpability begins when the student either gets on the bus or arrives at the school. (Steps foot on the school grounds). However, if the student is with a parent, it is when the parent takes them to the classroom or the office and checks them in.

Now, this is a gray area because of the science fair. She wanted to know if the school officially started the day at their regular time or did they officially start at 10AM because of a special event? She said this might be a legal case so that a judge could determine who was responsible for Kyron due to the event. But, she said it didn't look good for the school. She did NOT know any of the circumstances other than what I told her, so please know that there are other variables to this situation that may have given her a different response. My basic question to her was if the school might be held responsible and her final answer was "from what you are telling me, it doesn't look good for the school".

 

[krazyfingerzz]

The Examiner is notoriously unreliable. It's more like a blog than a credible news source. Somebody will have to watch the interview with Tanner again to sort out what he really said.

Actually there is a more original source plus the video of Tanner which can be found in BeanE's sig (and others). I should also say that I am really hating all the pseudo-news sites/articles/blogs showing up recently when searching for news on anything. I hate that. I will find it in a wee bit. I really need to be teaching my online class and having that cigarette...sometimes I wish I would smoke in the house so my life would be easier.

 

[CaringCitizen]

Tanner said the following, not that he saw Terri driving away:

"Fuhrer said that Tanner told her that he had seen Kyron's mom leaving the school building and Kyron was not with her when she left."

From http://www.examiner.com/x-46795-Miss...-criminal-case

The fact that SM was seen leaving the building alone doesn't necessarily mean anything. That is why in my first post on this board (#251) a couple of pages ago asked this question:

My question is DOES ANYBODY KNOW where this child and his SM parked the morning they went to his science fair? Has anyone read or heard anything about this? Did they park far away or were they in a space up close with others getting in and out of their cars? If they parked far away and the dear child was instructed to go back to the car to wait/meet, this might greatly reduce the chances of someone seeing this boy get back into his own family's car and might explain why 1) no one saw the child and his step parent 'leave together' and 2) no one saw either of them at the school after 8:45-9am.

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Does anyone care to comment? Maybe PufNStuf??

 

[Kimster]

LOL Kimster!

Like we all don't know you're an alien being whose job with FBI-Xfiles Division is to clear aliens from being blamed for abductions. :dance:

Sssshhhhhhhhhh!!!! :yow: Oh dang, now the whole world knows! :doh:

 

[Bee Charmer]

I don't think there's enough information available for an entire section.
The family is staying out of the public eye, LE is not saying a whole lot, there's not much to sleuth here.
We could have a thread titled "Things We Can't Comment On" though.

I like how you think! :Banane11:

 

[krazyfingerzz]

Horman's Desk Mate Says Substitute Noticed Him Missing
Last Update: 6/09 11:30 pm

snip the first person to notice Kyron Horman was missing was a substitute teacher who was taking a head count as the second and third grade class was re-assembling after visiting other classrooms for a science fair at Skyline School last Friday.

"And she was like 'oh no where's Kyron there's only five' and Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says Tanner Pumala.

snip Tanner says Kyron was in school for at least an hour Friday morning and that he saw Kyron's step-mother leave the school without Kyron.

snip Upon hearing the substitute teacher noticing that Kyron was not present in the classroom, Pumala says the regular teacher said Kyron had probably gone to get a drink of water or to use the bathroom.

snip Pumala's grandmother says F-B-I agents and Multnomah County investigators have asked Pumala and his grandmother not to speak with the media, for reasons they did not divulge. Fuhrur says she decided to allow her grandson talk snip

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...itute-Noticed-Him/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx

Chili, there's the reliable source! Thanks, BeanE! Now I really am going on break...really.

 

[momtective]

Just thinking out loud but I have gotten the feeling all along that the LE has been speaking to the person the believe had Kyron throughout all there PC's. Since the beginning I have ha d a hard time seeing this as an issue with the family. I have felt more like this was someone that knows Kyron well enough to lure him out of that building. Possibly older sibling of one of the students at that school. The LE's hesitation about calling it an abduction has really bothered me but maybe they have been wording it in a way that would not freak out a teenager. Asking for video could have been just to let someone know that they are on to them. That they know they were in a certain area. Now they are calling it is a criminal case. The choice of wording seems very deliberate.
I do think they have a POI. I can only hope this is resolved soon. This case is breaking my heart.

Welcome to WS MimiWhatserface!

The fact that LE is requesting surveillance video from nearby storefronts, private homes, security cameras or any other surveillance recording from June 3 and June 4 and specifically looking for video of vehicular traffic, I'd say they probably know exactly what vehicle they are looking for, they probably know who owns it and they just need to place that person, in that vehicle in the area on June 3 or 4. When that is accomplished I think a POI will be announced.
Wonder who would not have normally been in that area??? Someone who doesn't live in the area obviously. Maybe someone from out of town???

 

[Calliope]

I never heard that. Do you have a link?

I don't recall him saying she drove away without Kyron, just that he saw her leave without him. I took that to mean he saw her leave the corridor or even school, not that he saw her get in her car and drive away.