OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #15

[RubyRed]

Is she the admin for "Missing Kyron Horman" group? I don't know why she is telling people what they can or cannot post on a group (Sauvie Island) that she isn't an admin for.

She is responding on the Kyron Horman FB group.

 

[pufnstuf]

BBM
Ummm....we know that the home was NEVER roped off and processed as a crime scene, that takes many days and would be the FIRST and most important place to look at in any case like this if a WITNESS said what is being rumored. The car would be in police custody and held there, it was not, as we saw it on video being driven. I have no problem with the searches and did not imply worng anything about them. But if the child was seen LEAVING THE AREA, the searches would have been centered in an entirely different location. AND once again, you don't search for him at the school if two witnesses said that they saw him LEAVE the school.

I wouldn't be so sure that the mustang was taken to school that day. Could very well have been the truck instead.

 

[gibby207]

i am having a hard time refraining from posting tonight but....wanna say puf - your maps rock!!

I agree!! \m/

 

[SuziQ]

My SAR friend who took part in the search doesn't have any vacation time saved up this year because it has been spent on training and other call-outs already. This means that she drove something like 12 hours each way and had to take three uncompensated days off work in order to help with the search. Her situation is not atypical at all.

If the rumour is correct, then her donation of her time, energy and expertise would have been for nothing.

When I was involved in SAR, LE agencies were usually almost apologetic about call outs, assuring us over and over that they were sharing the best information they had, saying over and over they wished they had more information to share.

I find it hard to believe that any LE agency would abuse the good will of so many SAR personnel that way. For one thing, call outs are optional, not mandatory. An agency that had a record of calling out without good reason would quickly find that the number of responders drops dramatically (this has happened in a few isolated cases).

For another, abusing SAR personnel that way would just not be ethical and the vast majority of LEOs are fine, ethical people.

I don't think your friends time was wasted. The searches appeared focused and based on specific info. Lets say LE was tracking cell phone pings. Good golly they'd have to search everywhere that phoned pinged for a good 6 hours or so.

 

[pufnstuf]

IF the search of the water today was from 'pings' (rumor) would it have taken 10 days for LE to get that info?

They've had it for four or five days, I would suppose, since that area has been searched every day for four days now.

 

[ketel0ne]

did you guys notice that step-mom's mother is now commenting on the rumors?

edit:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264
under the third link "Divers search Sauvie Island for Kyron Horman".. end of the comments

The admin for the FB page is not the SM's mother. Different Carol.

 

[impatientredhead]

Whether there are two teachers that think they saw him with his step mother or not, I still think the other searches would go on.

Eyewitness testimony is wildly unreliable.

What if they say two weeks from now they aren't sure if it was the morning in question or the day before? Everyone would go postal saying he might have been found had they looked for him.

If you look at the research on eyewitness testimony you will see how often it is inaccurate, completely incorrect, or changes over time.

Without some other piece of evidence to show it would be irresponsible to focus the entire search on those sightings, if they even exist.

 

[cluciano63]

The only thing is - LE need 'probable cause' to get a warrant for cell phone pings - unless the records were given to them. That's my understanding. So, if they do have pings, they must have a suspect and a probable cause or the judge would never sign the warrant. moo

My understanding, from some reading I did earlier, is that until LE names a missing person a "criminal investigation" they cannot obtain search warrants. But once that is done, they can, and I imagine most judges would consider the last people to be around Kyron and to claim to have seen him around the time he vanished might be enough for a warrant in a case like this. JMO but this could be why they decided to call it a criminal investigation, to get warrants on phones, etc from people who may not want to hand them over willingly.

 

[gibby207]

IF the search of the water today was from 'pings' (rumor) would it have taken 10 days for LE to get that info?

They've been searching that 2-mile radius for days now...

 

[revampz]

EXACTLY.....LE would have taken a completely different direction from day one if this RUMOR was remotely true. They would never risk the time, the safety, and the cost of tramping people from all over the state through woods and ponds if they had a reason to KNOW that the child never wandered away. Anyone who would imply that they did this frivolously when they had witnesses that proved it was unnecessary would be beyond unreasonable.

jmoo

who has said he DIDNT wander away?? maybe the rumor is remotely true, they were told that there was an argument and he took off......then they would be searching the school, the woods etc, maybe thinking he is hiding from an unpleasant situation.....

However once after thorough searching of close areas he has not been found they are now going into a more detail investigation of person/s who rumor was about or who told them he took off (hence now a criminal investigation)

this is just an idea but seems to fit a few things that have happened.....

and I am not accusing anyone of anything other than maybe be angry with him.

 

[mamaeb]

The admin for the FB page is not the SM's mother. Different Carol.

ahh I will change my post.. so people catching up don't get confused

 

[JBean]

For those of you that have not read

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65798"]Rules Etiquette & Information - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

You may want to take a moment to do so. the "I know something you don't know and I can't post it so contact me privately" thing is not ok.

 

[SuziQ]

IF the search of the water today was from 'pings' (rumor) would it have taken 10 days for LE to get that info?

LE has been searching Suavie for at least 4 days. They've had that info for awhile IMO.

 

[CharlestonGal]

EXACTLY.....LE would have taken a completely different direction from day one if this RUMOR was remotely true. They would never risk the time, the safety, and the cost of tramping people from all over the state through woods and ponds if they had a reason to KNOW that the child never wandered away. Anyone who would imply that they did this frivolously when they had witnesses that proved it was unnecessary would be beyond unreasonable.

jmoo

On the other hand, it's quite possible to know the who (not saying SM) but not know the where. Perhaps there is a reason LE doesn't think the perpetrator went far from the area of the woods around the school. They've have to search it under those circumstances. Just because they may know who Kyron left with (and I am not saying they do) doesn't mean they know what happened after that.

 

[Jaxson]

Is she the admin for "Missing Kyron Horman" group? I don't know why she is telling people what they can or cannot post on a group (Sauvie Island) that she isn't an admin for.

She asked them to take it to the discussion page as opposed to the news page of the "Missing Kyron Horman" facebook group. Not the Sauvie Island group.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Ok where are our locals - the FB page has comments that the "sighting" was reported TONIGHT on the local news. they don't know what channel because they kept flipping around. If we can verify that a media outlet reported this it would certainly help.

These comments were posted in the last half hour or so.

 

[suzet]

I don't know if this has been answered (just joining this thread), but does anyone local know if there were refreshments served at the science fair? Often our school will have coffee and bagels for the parents if something is early in the day. Just wondering if that might attract someone who normally wouldn't be there.

I had wondered if whoever took Kyron had given him a drink of something while he was in the car driving away from the school... a drink that was laced with something, even if a heavy dose of cough syrup with Codeine (forgive me, I know nothing about drugs and what might be useful to some evil person in this case).

Now that I read your post about refreshments, that would have provided an opportunity to bring a drink back to the car for the little boy, but since my hunch has always been that this was a carefully plotted out crime, the drink this perp had in mind, would have already been in the car with the correct amounts of whatever was needed. I don't know. Just throwing things out there. Extremely sad to think about this.

 

[JBean]

The administrator of that site is posting repeatedly that it is a rumor and that people are to stop perpetuating it.....I think that is definitive and should be followed by those who are transporting that RUMOR to other places....like here.

jmoo

Raeann can you clarify what has been determined a rumor by admin so we can make it off limits? Thank you.

 

[worriedmommy]

Hi all! I'm new to WS and live here in Portland. I have to say, this has been insanely scary for all of us (esp with school still being in session and having to leave my two boys all day)! This news report says it all, we're all on edge and checking EVERY car that seems to roll by...

The search for Kyron leads to local look-alikes http://www.katu.com/news/local/96338424.html

Also, the rest of us are out of school this week so a lot more recreators will be out there on Sauvie's Island....

On a separate note, my two boys and I were able to drop off supplies for the SAR teams the day before they said to stop donations. At least we felt like we did something.

Please let us find him soon!

 

[sofia76]

Of course the story varies the further down the line it gets. It is known that two teachers saw SM with Kyron. The school superintendent reported that himself. It did kind of grow legs when it turned into "and the teachers SAW her leave with him." I think what started out as "the teachers knew SM left with him" became SAW. Which I believe is incorrect. I believe the teachers knew she left with him, but not that they actually visually saw it.

That's how most rumors start - with a foundation of truth and then it grows.

Also, it may very well be that the last time two teachers saw Kyron, he was with his SM - they could have been leaving a classroom, or leaving the gym, or just generally walking into another part of the school. They were there for close to 45 minutes!