OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #15

[DairyGirl]

Yes, there is real evil in the world. I think the crime planned that morning would have been aborted immediately if things had not gone exactly as planned and I think the perpetrator was prepared to back out if the slightest thing went wrong. None one would have been the wiser either.

I've thought about that. If it really happened that way I really think a phone call from the school would have stopped it.

 

[snarkymalarkey]

Is she the admin for "Missing Kyron Horman" group? I don't know why she is telling people what they can or cannot post on a group (Sauvie Island) that she isn't an admin for.

She is asking her to carry on the conversation through the discussions tab and not through commenting on the front page news area. ...and now as we all probably expected: "Candice Berry @christy...

So, there the rumors go... Posted and deleted with in a few hour time span!!

BTW, this is the discussions tab http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missi...750831264#!/board.php?uid=125336750831264&f=2 dig around enough and you will even see WS mentioned!

 

[impatientredhead]

The articles that I have posted several times on here seem to indicate that warrants are always necessary . I do not want to look them up again, but they are available on the web.

Technically they do not *need* one if you agree, but the prosecutor's office will have a meltdown in the vast majority of cases if LE is conducting searches without a warrant.

It is a huge huge weakspot for the state if the key evidence to a case is found by LE during a search they didn't have a warrant for. The permission they had suddenly goes away when the accused said it wasn't granted, defense gets the evidence blocked, any evidence that came from that evidence is now out.

It is not required in all situations, but the people who have to try the case will have your if you don't get one.

 

[SuziQ]

I still find that really hard to believe that it's common knowledge or "fact" as that one FB user said that two teachers saw the SM leave with Kyron after 9am. And that it's Terri's cell phone that's being investigated. How could somebody who doesn't even know these people know all that, but the bio mom, bio dad, and stepdad be oblivious? I still can see the bio mom grabbing step mom's hand and squeezing it, and holding onto it during their second press conference. Just doesn't add up to me. I think it's more likely that there are just a handful of mean spirited people making stuff up.

How I handle info like the FB stuff is I view it as interesting and tuck into my brain for future reference cause it might turn out to be true. You would be amazed on what accurate info gets posted on the net for everyone to see. The one that comes to mind is right after Stacy Peterson went missing, someone posted on topic that Drews brother was in the hospital for a suicide attempt. And this attempt was because he helped Drew move a barrel with Stacy's body. Turned out to be true! Then there was Cindy Anthony's brother who was posting about when Casey showed up at his wedding pregnant and Cindy said she was NOT pregnant. Well he had the pictures of an obviously pregnant Casey.

 

[gibby207]

bbm. You can't really do that if your witnesses say, "Oh, we thought they left together." It's not enough.

I believe that is what the witnesses were supposed to think. I do not believe the witnesses were intended to see the actual leaving.

yesss... thank youuuu

 

[CharlestonGal]

I haven't formed an opinion on this case as of yet but I wanted to respectfully play devil's advocate to your post.

If this RUMOR is true and two teachers saw Kyron leave with his step-mom, here is one possible explanation as to why LE still handled it as a normal missing child's case and conducted all the searches.

Possible scenario:
Step-mom reports him missing, then Le talks to the school employees. Two teachers tell LE they saw Kyron leaving with his step-mom. LE tells step-mom this and she says well they must have been mistaken and thought I was leaving with him but when they saw us together we weren't leaving.

Take into consideration we don't know where the teachers were have rumored to see step-mom and Kyron at when they assumed they were leaving. If they saw them outside in the parking lot that makes it more plausible that they left together. However, if the 2 teachers saw them in the school and assumed they were leaving, that's not as plausible.

If LE has no proof one way or the other that he left with his step-mom and she is saying they didn't leave together, well then LE would still need to handle this case as any other missing child's case and conduct searches, etc...

I think that was exactly what was supposed to happen. It creates plausible deniability afterwards, but at the time leaves the teachers with the intended notion that Kyron left - thus marking him absent without batting an eye or beginning a search.

 

[BeanE]

That's why I hate rumors.
Mixes everything and everybody up.

For me, it becomes impossible to try to help find out what happened to the victim, in order to develop leads to send LE, to try to help the victim.

It just becomes like reading a tabloid. :sick:

 

[sofia76]

bbm. You can't really do that if your witnesses say, "Oh, we thought they left together." It's not enough.

I believe that is what the witnesses were supposed to think. I do not believe the witnesses were intended to see the actual leaving.

This sounds like quite the diabolical personality you're speaking of. Stranger things have happened, to be sure.

 

[gibby207]

............I am talking to myself............ lol

 

[KellysGal]

Ok here is a theroy... is there a room somewhere in the school that nobody knows about and some janitor or school employee could have taken Kyron and be holding him in a secret room?

 

[Ms Suzanne]

............I am talking to myself............ lol

Your not talking to yourself. I'm listening to you LOL.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Still a rumor because LE has not confirmed.

 

[GrainneDhu]

On a separate note, my two boys and I were able to drop off supplies for the SAR teams the day before they said to stop donations. At least we felt like we did something.

I have a friend who does SAR and was called out to help with the search. She was extremely impressed by the quantity and selection of drinks and food made available for the search personnel. I know she appreciated it.

 

[slapithigh]

You might remember to shut off your phone during the crime, but you might forget on one of your earlier recon missions to scope out likely potential crime scenes. I imagine they can get pings going back a few weeks. It's simple things like that which get people caught. LE might wonder why someone was circling or revisting the same location on numerous occasions days or weeks beforehand. You might be smart enough to shut your phone off during the event, but your trips beforehand may get you caught.

Good point. Practice run the day before? LE did ask for video from the roads on the day before.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

For me, it becomes impossible to try to help find out what happened to the victim, in order to develop leads to send LE, to try to help the victim.

It just becomes like reading a tabloid. :sick:

I totally agree and it makes my head swim.

It's hard when you are not here to read every post and then you come in to read a bunch of statements that originated from a rumor.

Turns into a bunch of mumble jumble. IMO

I'm going to bed.

Still praying for Kyron and all who love him. The Good Lord knows where you are buddy and I hope where ever it is, you are safe and happy.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

I've thought about that. If it really happened that way I really think a phone call from the school would have stopped it.

I thought the exact same thing. Perfect plan, eh?

edited: I'm am idiot: thought I was responding to Charleston's post.

 

[sofia76]

How I handle info like the FB stuff is I view it as interesting and tuck into my brain for future reference cause it might turn out to be true. You would be amazed on what accurate info gets posted on the net for everyone to see. The one that comes to mind is right after Stacy Peterson went missing, someone posted on topic that Drews brother was in the hospital for a suicide attempt. And this attempt was because he helped Drew move a barrel with Stacy's body. Turned out to be true! Then there was Cindy Anthony's brother who was posting about when Casey showed up at his wedding pregnant and Cindy said she was NOT pregnant. Well he had the pictures of an obviously pregnant Casey.

Well not to be OT, but Cindy is kind of bonkers! That being said, I understand that what is called a rumor can have some basis in fact, or even be true. But how to determine that? I don't categorically dismiss rumors; like you I store the away.

 

[cluciano63]

To me, everything the little boy in his class said should be qualified as rumor, yet it has been discussed here over and over. None of that was ever verified by anyone else, IIRC. Also, the school being to blame, to me, is a rumor, as we don't know what took place, and that was debated for threads and threads worth of posts. There are very few FACTS in this case and when there have been, LE has often changed their reply to "no comment" later in the week.

I am NOT endorsing the FB series of rumors or the ones from the newspapers comments sections...just saying, a lot of things have been debated here that are not known to be facts as confirmed by LE. JMO and it does make things very confusing.

 

[breanna]

This poor little guy. We are all thinking of him constantly. I really hate this. A child just vanishes into thin air and nobody has a clue. All the speculation starts. Anyone and everybody is fair game because we need to find him.

I'm sick to death of these perps who steal children and do what they want with them. Why? I can't think of anything else but that. Just Why? I'll never understand it. I've been saying it for years. There is no answer that makes any sense whatsoever.

Praying hard for you sweet little Kyron.

 

[No More]

Anything more about the drunken RSO who drove into the natural gas line???:waitasec:

Lived apparently on Sauvie Island at the time

http://www.katu.com/news/local/10127941.html

Was we smoking when he hit the gas line? One can only hope.