OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #15

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Could be anyone. Our "Officer Friendly" An officer from the police dept assigned to the school to help children understand the safety rules about strangers and how to protect themselves from the "good touch bad touch" situations. He was a full time police officer at the school.
He was caught with a 3rd grader in the boys bathroom. Later we found out he had been involved with at least 2 other young boys while at the school. So it could be anyone, Kyron had good reason to trust.

I think I see where my problem is...I am trying to think reasonably. These SO are not reasonable. They don't think anywhere close to what a 'normal' person thinks like. They are willing to risk everything to get what they want.

Therefore, in Kyron's case everyone is a possible suspect, he could be anywhere. All it takes is just one psycho in that building that morning. It doesn't really matter how many poeple were around and how unlikely it appears to us that someone would try somehting that day.

I'm starting to think that LE don't know anything at all.

After all, in Victoria Stafford's case they has a video of one of the perps and it still took them a long time to figure out who it was.

Ugh. Makes me sick thinking that a child could just vanish like that.

 

[JBean]

dudes, stay on topic.

 

[Jules71]

So am I.

I would love to see the floor plan of this school. I would like to see where the room was he was going to.

I feel he was approached by someone he knew and maybe trusted or felt comfortable to be with. I wonder if there is a large closet where he could have been taken to on that floor? Brought in there, was killed and suspect hid his body in a garbage pail. But then again the building was searched 3x I believe and there was no searches in landfills.

Yes Im frustrated to. LE waited a week to show his clothes and waited a week to ask the public/businesses to check their surveillance cameras. WHY?

Wonder if the school garbage was searched that day when the school was searched. Anyone know?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Home for lunch and not a whole lot of time to read.

Would anybody be kind enough to let me know if there is any new news today?

TIA

 

[tlcya]

ETA re Post 736

I agree, his drawings could tell a professional something of his state of mind. I would imagine that would also entail at least meeting him once and having more than just a couple of examples of his art to "analyse". Like joshiesmom, I have a daughter who has always been a prolific artist. Many of her drawings feature solitary animals and nearly every nature drawing features a sun high above whatever tree, bird or subject of her drawing.

I guess my point is, we shouldn't put NO stock in analysing the drawings but at the same time, sometimes, a chipmunk is just a chipmunk, a sun is just a sun and and acorn, simply an acorn.

BTW and OT to joshiesmom - I am the mother of my own joshie, although he is a grown up man now

 

[Kimberlyd125]

For all we know his artwork that was shown could have been an assignment.

Like, class, draw a chipmunk or class draw a sun.

I don't know how much we can get from them. But, in my mind, there has to be a reason they were released by LE.

 

[BeanE]

Hey, I've been out for the past few days- does anyone have a link to the latest press release with the family? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Thanks!

Kyron's media thread...

 

[raeann]

Regarding Kyron's artwork, I don't know if this has been brought up, but I was thinking he was trying to draw an aztec calendar/sun stone:

http://www.crystalinks.com/aztecalendarstone.jpg

Yes, it does look like one of those. Plus the squirrel/chipmunk eating alone is actually quite insightful. Both of those creatures DO eat alone at all times. If another squirrel comes near them, they will drop the food and chase off the intruder and then return to their meal. It shows a good level of observation of animals.

 

[TrialAddict]

In a way I wish LE would say nothing if they are not going to say anything.

 

[Jules71]

I think I see where my problem is...I am trying to think reasonably. These SO are not reasonable. They don't think anywhere close to what a 'normal' person thinks like. They are willing to risk everything to get what they want.

Therefore, in Kyron's case everyone is a possible suspect, he could be anywhere. All it takes is just one psycho in that building that morning. It doesn't really matter how many poeple were around and how unlikely it appears to us that someone would try somehting that day.

I'm starting to think that LE don't know anything at all.

After all, in Victoria Stafford's case they has a video of one of the perps and it still took them a long time to figure out who it was.

Ugh. Makes me sick thinking that a child could just vanish like that.

Seems like if there was a sicko in the school that day who decided to act on some sick desire - s/he would have grabbed him and taken him somewhere isolated within the school and done whatever they were going to do, rather than risk hauling him out of school kicking and screaming calling attention to themselves. Since we have not heard about possible evidence of something like this inside the school and no one saw him being taken against his will kicking and screaming, and LE is saying isolated incident and no other children are at risk - then it must be he left willingly with someone known to him, or alone. I don't think he left alone. JMO

ETA: Now WHO would Kyron leave with? Seriously would he leave with a soccer coach, cub scout leader, janitor, teacher - I would not think so. I would think for sure he would leave with Terrie, Kaine, Desiree, Tony - what other family would he think it would be ok to leave school with?

 

[cluciano63]

Does anyone know if searching is still going on out on the island today? Or anywhere else?

No, there does not appear to be any news, those who are asking. Same arguments, different day. JMO

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I thought about some comments that were made yesterday that LE should try to recreate the scene at the school that morning.

I've been trying to recreate it in my mind...

I know many people are suspicious about SM.

So...she drives Kyron to school (with or without her daughter - as far as we know without), goes in to attend the fair, takes some pictures of him and his project. She probably wants to get going since she would wants to get back to her daughter.

It appears the project has been set up in Kyron's classroom but we know they weren't in his classroom when they seperated. Maybe they were visiting other classrooms as well.

He starts to head back to his classroom and she heads out.

I don't really see anything unusual until this point. I don't usually walk my kids back to their classrooms when I am in the school. The are walking all over the school every day...it is part of their comfort zone.

If SM wanted to do something to Kyron I don't think this is the easiest place. She could 'lose' him at the mall, at the park etc. Just seems too risky. I do see why some people are suspicious about some things she has done but I just don't see this as a vary likely scenerio. What if someone saw her? How would she explain herself? Even if Kyron was driving her nuts for some reason she was about to leave, go home, have time to calm down. No need for a crime in the heat of the moment. She was about to let the teachers worry about the rest of the day with him.

So...she probably left and what happened to Kyron? I don't see him as having walked into the woods himself. Again possible, but doesn't seem to fit in.

I aslo don't see this as planned...too many pieces had to fall perfectly into place. I don't think anyone would be counting on that.

AHHHH I'm trying to picture a crime of opportunity...someone sees the SM leaving and Kyron alone. But there must of been many other kids and parents in the school. Why risk it at that time??? There are tons of kids out on streets, parks etc much easier to take off with.

Why, why, why??

Can you tink of a why??

Someone with a vendetta with the school itself? Kyron may have been the vehicle for this person to cause problems for someone at the school. Stranger things have happened.

I have several nightmare stories from my former school that I won't get into here unless I feel sharing will help.

Here's one. We had sliding keys to the doors for entrance at our school but they always opened from the inside. All employees wore name tags too. When I resigned my position there noone asked me to return these items which I found recently while going thru and trowing stuff away. Our custodian was very vigilant and I am sure the key entry was reprogrammed within a few days of my leaving. However, I could have used my ID tag and and a convincing story and gained entrance into any school in the county, had I wanted too. It's kind of scary when you think about it.

Oh, and even though one cannot gain entrance without that key card it doesn't mean that doors aren't propped open or that children aren't polite about holding the door open for an adult. They are taught politeness and respect. It's not failsafe. There's also lots of ways a small child could be smuggled out. Thinking of the trash can pictured in the hall. But teachers are organizational peeps and there were always big empty totes and storage containers in the hall closets that were unpacked for setting up the classroom as well as certain curriculums.

Lastly, the locks to our 'pods' (each grade in a separate building) were always disengaged for easy entry when there were events which required parents to visit classrooms.

Didn't I read somewhere that Kyron's school had the types of slide keys for employees that I mentioned above?

MOO and my thoughts and stuff.....

wm

 

[matou]

For all we know his artwork that was shown could have been an assignment.

Like, class, draw a chipmunk or class draw a sun.

I don't know how much we can get from them. But, in my mind, there has to be a reason they were released by LE.

Exactly. Why would LE release photos of a missing child`s artwork when there is so little released info about this case in general. There must be a specific reason why. Typically if there is a missing child, the public needs photos of the child and as much information about them as possible, such as what they were wearing that day. Was there any other missing child case where LE did this, I mean publish a missing child`s school work or artwork:waitasec:

 

[Sly Scorpio]

Does anyone know if searching is still going on out on the island today? Or anywhere else?

No, there does not appear to be any news, those who are asking. Same arguments, different day. JMO

I don't think it has been confirmed that they are still searching there. I just did a quick check on the news links on fb and nothing has been said one way or the other for today.

Surprised, right? I mean that there's no word one way or the other?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

ok - back to my cage - here JBean you keep the key so I cant' get back out for a while.

 

[mysticrose]

Why won't LE release ANY information, they are so tight with info I can hear them squeak when they walk .....

It has to be someone close, imo, because how can anyone help when they do not release anything ? You can't ... it is someone close to the family or someone in the family.
Anyone else have any ideas as to why they would be so quiet ?

JMHO of course ...

 

[Mom2three]

Because uniforms would make it clear who belongs in the school and who does not.

No, uniforms would give parents a false sense of security. Schools are having a hard enough time paying teachers- they aren't going to supply uniforms for custodians. So what, you ask them to dress in a school or district t-shirt and jeans? Anyone can buy those t-shirts.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Regarding Kyron's artwork, I don't know if this has been brought up, but I was thinking he was trying to draw an aztec calendar/sun stone:

http://www.crystalinks.com/aztecalendarstone.jpg

That is interesting BeanE because when I saw Kyron's beautiful pic I thought it looked like the cover of an art textbook we had in curriculum at our school. Therefore, I wondered to myself if he had maybe copied it from the same textbook. glad you brought this up.

Where are you Kyron?

wm

 

[Calliope]

Also, towards the end of the article:

"At the same time, Gates said this is an isolated case and “there’s no reason to believe that kids are in any danger.”

And, further down in the same article:

"Their next time in the spotlight, the family was silent in the background. A sheriff’s captain will continue to stay with the family nearly around the clock as a liaison, Gates said Monday."

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/print_story.php?story_id=127655419546223700

Are we now allowed to discuss the possibility that Kyron's step-mother is being looked at? I ask, because LE said they are NOT looking a this man who has been extensively sleuthed (criminal record posted) and discussed here this morning, yet LE has NOT said that the parents are innocent of the crime, nor that they are not persons of interest? They seem to be saying the exact opposite, but in terms cloaked with discretion.

My question and my OPINIONS.

???

I posted that quote in reference to someone asking if the S&R had ended and recovery had begun.

If you're speaking of the man who grabbed at the kid in St. Helens, I believe they did indicate they were looking into a possible connection. I don't see anything that points to LE saying the parents are POIs, discreetly or otherwise.

 

[mauirain]

Do you think that LE is saying isolated incident because they are under pressure not to start any type of public panic the first week of summer.