OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #16

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  • #141
1. I can go many ways with this.

There are glaring inconsistencies.

If the teachers thought that he went with the mother, either to the imaginary appointment that has been posted by an unknown person on a comments section in a newspaper -HENCE AN UNVERIFIED RUMOR!!!!!!!

Or is they thought that SM took him home after the fair

Then how could it be that the teacher said that "He must have gone to the bathroom or to get a drink of water ", when the classmate said that Kyron was not there when the sub counted up the children?

These statements are not true. None of them are true, one is true, or there is a different truth out there that we do not know.

The fact that LE will not comment is interesting, but who knows why.

2. I took my grandchildren to a class yesterday (not a school) and they are about his age. I do not want to discuss my conversation with them about stranger danger as their are nuts out there that read these forums. (Not saying anything about anyone on here!!!!!)

But I was not happy with their responses to say the least. The mother of one of my grandchildren worked with sex offenders for years (my daughter). So that is why I was even more disturbed.

He could have easily gone off with someone who he determined that was not a stranger in his eyes. Like a grocery store clerk. A person that said that s/he was a grandparent, cousin, whatever.

He is a CHILD. That is his problem. CHILD-does not think in the ways that adults should but often don't themselves.

3. The artwork. Whether people like it or not, all of us have "tells". Professionals are good at analyzing "tells".

Homeland security was even going to hire experts in body language at airports to look at "tells" for possible suspicious activity.

Artwork also has tells. Size of objects in pictures, colors used, that kind of thing. ARe they always right? I doubt it. It's just a point of interest.
 
  • #142
why wouldn't the family be ok with having 24/7 contact with LE?
JBean, there is a HUGE difference between having 24 hour contact and having the police move in with you. Innocent or Guilty.

And, if there is a guilty person in that house, then I would bet that person wouldn't be courting 24 hour contact with the police.

Contact is simply a phone call away. Most crime victims do not have a police officer living with them while the crime is being worked.

my opinion
 
  • #143
Okay, I see it. Good observation. It's tough to figure out shadows in a room with as many different light sources as that (and did she use a flash?). Also you can see a "V" on his neck which appears to be a strange artifact of light. So it could be explained by one of those two factors but I really don't know.

I think it is a real photo- it would take an expert photo-shop guru to pull it off.
 
  • #144
I'll go look for the presser where Gates goes into a bit of detail as to what the liason is there for... and what GrainneDhu posted above is a good point, too. The stepfather is a criminal detective, I'm certain if there was an issue with the liason being there he'd have no problem speaking up.
My guess is that the step-father, Tony Young, is very pleased that LE is living with the Hormans.

my opinion
 
  • #145
JBean, there is a HUGE difference between having 24 hour contact and having the police move in with you. Innocent or Guilty.

And, if there is a guilty person in that house, then I would bet that person wouldn't be courting 24 hour contact with the police.

Contact is simply a phone call away. Most crime victims do not have a police officer living with them while the crime is being worked.

my opinion

Then TH must be innocent?
 
  • #146
But, we don't have any idea if the Hormans are comfortable with the police being there, basically living with them. The LE spokesperson said, in an earlier press conference, that LE was grateful to the family for letting them be there in their home. How do you say "no" if the police say they want to "set up" in your home?

Maybe if they asked LE to leave they feel that would make them appear suspicious. Maybe one of the Hortons wants LE there and the other spouse does not.

Oh, in answer to your question, and I realize we are all different, I think I can say with assurance that I would NOT feel comfortable have officers living in my home. Lose a child and the peace and comfort of my home, also? The police should be out investigating, working out of their offices. If they need to talk to me, then yes, come to my home and talk to me, grill me, then go back to work. Arrest me if I am a suspect; if not, don't camp in my home.

NO, I don't believe this is protocal for a missing child case.
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Just an opinion

Hi, I could have sworn I read the Sheriff stated the officer staying at the Horman's would go to his own home to sleep at night. :crazy: Did anyone else read that?
 
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Hi, I could have sworn I read the Sheriff stated the officer staying at the Horman's would go to his own home to sleep at night. :crazy: Did anyone else read that?

And another LE officer would take the night shift.
 
  • #149
I think we need to remember that we know very little actual fact about last sightings of Kyron and by whom. Things that were stated by LE very early on, became "no comment" very soon afterward, so they may have not been able to verify what they had already said and I know they have not said anything recently about when and where he was last seen. JMO

Thank you. :D As I was quoted and questioned about, the day Kyron went missing, the first thing reported was "last seen by SM going into the school." That's the 1st statement of the last sighting. That's all I was trying to say........
 
  • #150
Hi, I could have sworn I read the Sheriff stated the officer staying at the Horman's would go to his own home to sleep at night. :crazy: Did anyone else read that?

Yes, I do... but I recall in the PC they clarified that another took his place, working the next shift.

Oh God please don't make me view those PCs again lol....
 
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Just looking at the photos released, we have no idea how many photos TH was in with Kyron. They were obviously released to show him. And then again, it seems that maybe TH is the one behind the camera most of the time?

Lord help me if anyone analyzes my personal photos. You'd be hard pressed to find any of me---with or without my family.

Me either, I can spot a camera carrier at a pace of 500 yards, and then I am out of there! If I am not the one taking the picture, I am NO where to be found.

jmo
 
  • #153
Who was the perp in that case? Was that JH?

Seems to me they cover all the angles by keeping a liasion there.

If I remember right...in the Somer Thompson case the LE person who stayed close to the family had been retired at one time and had been working part-time for the sheriff's office. He is the type of guy who has a litany of past good deeds and really cares about people. There were all kinds of stories about him going out of his way to help people, both as LE and in his personal life.
 
  • #154
???

I don't get your point.
Calliope, this is as simple as I can say it: I think it is strange, unusual, significant, important, out of the ordinary, and plain old questionable that there a constant police presence in the home of the step-mom and the father of a child who has gone missing.
 
  • #155
Hi, I could have sworn I read the Sheriff stated the officer staying at the Horman's would go to his own home to sleep at night. :crazy: Did anyone else read that?

Scandi,
Yes, I read the same thing. I don't really understand why a LEO would be there every day. It is likely not due to threats ; because wouldn't threats also come at night ? IDK.....

All JMO
 
  • #156
And another LE officer would take the night shift.
Thanks Carole as I hadn't read that. Odd at best IMO Yet there is so much the public is not privy to in the case.

I thought we also learned they were going to start giving the public more info on the case. Maybe I dreamed that, as except for reporting on the SI searches I've seen nothing new !!!
 
  • #157
Calliope, this is as simple as I can say it: I think it is strange, unusual, significant, important, out of the ordinary, and plain old questionable that there a constant police presence in the home of the step-mom and the father of a child who has gone missing.

Well, as simply as I can respond, Gates said it was protocol for these types of cases.

I'd like to see it used more often. I think other agencies would do well to follow their example here.
 
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JBean, there is a HUGE difference between having 24 hour contact and having the police move in with you. Innocent or Guilty.

And, if there is a guilty person in that house, then I would bet that person wouldn't be courting 24 hour contact with the police.

Contact is simply a phone call away. Most crime victims do not have a police officer living with them while the crime is being worked.

my opinion
As posted several times throughout the threads, there are numerous examples of LE assigning a liasion to stay with the family 24/7 in high profile missing children cases.
However, it could just be they are trying to stay close to monitor behavior of the family.
Both answers are entirely possible and reasonable.
 
  • #160
I don't think it's odd that LE is staying over there. I think it's a very good idea. They don't know who took Kyron. If it's an abductor they could come back for their baby, or even them. Everyone knows where they live now. I would feel very vulnerable in their shoes. I live in Portland and I would hope if I were in the same circumstances as them I would have LE with me, too.
 
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