OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #16

[raeann]

. . . . at least since this afternoon when Marc Klaas gave his thoughts on the case on national TV, right?

I have nothing but respect for M.Klaas, but respectfully, he is not getting his information from Portland LE. He has no idea whether there have been parallel investigations going on the whole time. The fact that the FBI CARD team was called in so early pretty much guarantees that there were. Obviously, they don't bring in the CARD team to tell them how to do SAR, they already know that and practice and train for it on a regular basis. Marc K. is just going to give an opinion based on the same lack of info everyone else has, and if he is relying on the NG team to give it to him......much of that could be entirely wrong.

jmoo

 

[6angels]

You know what I see?? Besides 5 white trucks on my road alone?

I see LE doing what we all wish they would do in so many other cases. Using EVERYTHING they have to find Kyron. Billboards. Searches etc. They have not stopped since they found out he was missing. Bless them.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

It is called probable cause.
They probably don't know who has or had him per se.
They probably know more so who is not likely involved.

Finding a deceased Kyron and not being able to build a case would be tantamount to letting a child killer walk free to kill again (ala Joran Van der Sloot and we all saw how that ended).

If they knew Kyron was alive and where he was SWAT would have already descended upon them.

I have to disagree. When I was a DA we were constantly sending LE back to get us more evidence or better evidence etc. As long as the perp is being kept under constant surveillance there is no rush. They could be waiting for a confession; they could be maneuvering for a confession; they could be waiting to locate the body. There are a number of things they could and probably are doing that vitiates against moving against the perp right away. Re the part about being alive and knowing where he was--I agree.

 

[raeann]

White trucks are cheaper there for there is a lot of them on the roads. JMO

Those pesky white trucks are everywhere.....remember the whole Haleigh case with the EMT having one, and then RC's "only God can judge me" truck, and then another white truck parked by a former Cummings family address?

 

[laini]

They can not just think something they must know or have something to show why they think that. I know it is frustrating but this is still early on in a case like this. Things just don't seem to move as fast as we ( on the outside) want it to.

Thanks for the reply. I guess I watch too much t.v. LOL They are always bringing people in just on a hunch.

 

[BeanE]

You know what I see?? Besides 5 white trucks on my road alone?

I see LE doing what we all wish they would do in so many other cases. Using EVERYTHING they have to find Kyron. Billboards. Searches etc. They have not stopped since they found out he was missing. Bless them.

Amen and amen

 

[gwenabob]

I wish we knew what floor and room that electrical exhibit was in.

I'm thinking also that I think it has been posted here that it was at 9am when student groups were suppose to report to their homerooms to get into their groups of 6. That is when it was noticed Kyron's group only had 5 students there, and he was missing. That gave an hour to paruse the projects until 10am when class started. That is how I have read it, not sure if it is correct. xox

I think we should make clear that nobody really knows anything about an "electric exhibit." We only know that Kyron's classmate said to a reporter that Kyron told him he was going to see an electric exhibit--or something close to those words. The classmate did not refer to a specific exhibit as in "yeah, he was going to look at that cool one in the gym again." It was less specific than that. So, maybe we should think about ruling the existence of an electric exhibit at the science fair a rumor at this point. Unless someone has a link that refers to one that actually exists.

For all we know, the "electric exhibit" may not have existed at all. It might have been a ruse to get him out of the school. Does this make sense to anyone but me?

 

[Calliope]

I have nothing but respect for M.Klaas, but respectfully, he is not getting his information from Portland LE. He has no idea whether there have been parallel investigations going on the whole time. The fact that the FBI CARD team was called in so early pretty much guarantees that there were. Obviously, they don't bring in the CARD team to tell them how to do SAR, they already know that and practice and train for it on a regular basis. Marc K. is just going to give an opinion based on the same lack of info everyone else has, and if he is relying on the NG team to give it to him......much of that could be entirely wrong.

jmoo

Since the reporter said this truck was towed yesterday, I'm not sure what Klaas said this afternoon has anything to do with the report or LE searching their vehicles or the truck being towed.

 

[raeann]

Are you sure about the times when the white truck was seen on that road where almost no one ever drives? One was at 3pm on the day Kyron went missing. The other time was very different, can't recall it exactly. xox

Yes, I am sure. The JK guy said he saw one at 3pm. His neighbor supposedly saw one at 2am that same night/early morning when she let her dogs out. No description of size or anything on either truck, except that it was a blond woman driving the one he saw in the afternoon.

The 3 pm sighting was before anyone knew Kyron was missing. The 2 am sighting was after LE was already staying with the family at their house.

 

[scandi]

What are you talking about?

The generalization is he wasn't too keen on how LE was handling the case, being so secretive and all. I didn't hear his interview but read about it here. Hope that is correct. All I know is he was critical on how LE has handled the case.

 

[impatientredhead]

I have to disagree. When I was a DA we were constantly sending LE back to get us more evidence or better evidence etc. As long as the perp is being kept under constant surveillance there is no rush. They could be waiting for a confession; they could be maneuvering for a confession; they could be waiting to locate the body. There are a number of things they could and probably are doing that vitiates against moving against the perp right away. Re the part about being alive and knowing where he was--I agree.

I agree with your post. I was saying they cannot move on someone without probable cause (unless they thought he was alive). The poster I responded to said finding a body was more important than being able to build a case.

I am not sure I believe they have a person of interest, but I agree with your post.

 

[Pensfan]

Vodka? :waitasec:

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korushka, pirozhki, s pelmini. очень хорошо.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

I think we should make clear that nobody really knows anything about an "electric exhibit." We only know that Kyron's classmate said to a reporter that Kyron told him he was going to see an electric exhibit--or something close to those words. The classmate did not refer to a specific exhibit as in "yeah, he was going to look at that cool one in the gym again." It was less specific than that. So, I maybe we should think about ruling the existence of an electric exhibit at the science fair a rumor at this point. Unless someone has a link that refers to one that actually exists.

For all we know, the "electric exhibit" may not have existed at all. It might have been a ruse to get him out of the school. Does this make sense to anyone but me?

Yes it does!

 

[raeann]

Since the reporter said this truck was towed yesterday, I'm not sure what Klaas said this afternoon has anything to do with the report or LE searching their vehicles or the truck being towed.

Good point.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I would think the family and LE shouldn't be surprised by everyone doing a little head scratching about the truck being towed. Everyone is on edge! We've heard the reports about a white truck being "suspicious" and then the family has one towed.

Just normal Hmmmm...it could be totally NOT connected but people are going to wonder.

Exactly. People will wonder and LE knows that. We did not get to see the passenger side of the tow truck. Possible that LE was riding shotgun. Also possible that the cameraman and the reporter knew that but was told "Ok - you caught us but its icksna on the deputy in the cab".

Did you not see all those cloaks and daggers whilst the truck was towed BeanE? LOL!

(they must have been invisibility cloaks!)

BeanE, I agree. I too am missing what you are missing given the video I watched, unless that's an unmarked LE service group picking up that truck, it's a red herring.

*hands BeanE a delicious bowl of red herring soup*

You know, some ace reporter could easily chase that down. They will find the dealership where that truck went. You can bet yer sweet bippy.

Any good news reporter would, in fact, follow that tow truck. LE contracts with towing companies - they don't have their own tow trucks. Would really like to know if that tow truck ended up at a dealership.

It doesn't have to necessarily be "evidence" - this family's child is missing and there could possibly be clues as to where he is in that truck. Its as simple as that. LE is certainly NOT going to fess up to some agressive reporter about why that truck was being towed from that house.

As for LE's comments about the truck needing repairs - well sure, that's pretty mundane and would explain everything. But, you can bet everyone (and their brother) knew that IF any media saw that towing there would be he77 to pay - so, simply "it needs work done".

Besides we don't even know what vehicle SM used that morning. But it is very odd and maybe even too coincidental about the very early tips of a white pick up.


Ok - I'm done. Boy, sure took up a lotta space to say a whole lot about nothing.

 

[Lavender]

It took me three readings of this post to take it in. At first I just couldn't figure out what it was saying. I didn't realize that jokes might be posted here about a child's body possibly being in a trunk. I'm stunned.

Sorry if this comment is considered rude, but I just couldn't believe my eyes.

I was using sarcasm to convey my feelings about the truck. I don't think LE would allow the truck to be towed away in a manner that would contaminate evidence if they had any reason to suspect evidence to be in the truck. And it was also a back-handed dig at a court/penal system that allows SOs to repeat offend. I wasn't making a joke about children in trunks. I am very sorry that I offended you.

 

[scandi]

Yes, I am sure. The JK guy said he saw one at 3pm. His neighbor supposedly saw one at 2am that same night/early morning when she let her dogs out. No description of size or anything on either truck, except that it was a blond woman driving the one he saw in the afternoon.

The 3 pm sighting was before anyone knew Kyron was missing. The 2 am sighting was after LE was already staying with the family at their house.

That deserved a written thanks Reann. ;}

 

[SoCalSleuth]

I agree with your post. I was saying they cannot move on someone without probable cause (unless they thought he was alive). The poster I responded to said finding a body was more important than being able to build a case.

I am not sure I believe they have a person of interest, but I agree with your post.

I thought they wrote that they didn't understand why, if they had a perp, they didn't act on it. I am getting old!

 

[gwenabob]

Parents can transfer students to from one school district to another. They don't need to pay out of pocket tuition, the home school district needs to release funds and make them available to the other school district.

OR--you can pay tuition. For example, you can get your kid into the tony Lake Oswego School system for $6,500 per year.

"Tuition may change annually and is prorated if a student enters mid-year. Half-day Kindergarten students pay 1/2 the tuition amount. Annual tuition for the 2010-11 school year is $6,500."

http://www.loswego.k12.or.us/general_info/visitor_info/enrolling_trans_tuition.htm

I'm sure you could simply pay tuition in other districts as well, and bypass the permission process at your district.

ETA: As I said earlier, you can transfer, IF, and only IF both school districts will go for it. Portland does NOT like to let students out because it means less funds for them.

This is the last I will post on this, because I think it is off-topic.

 

[scandi]

Nyet. kupatu, kolozvary, blini, perogi, slodych, korovka, sooshka, kashkaval,
korushka, pirozhki, s pelmini. очень хорошо.

Looks delish, kind of like Chinese Won Ton's without the soup part, LOL