OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #16

[SoCalSleuth]

How about this re the white truck.

I think my car is in my name and my hubby used to have a truck and it was in his name.

Perhaps that is the way it is at their home as well. So Dad could have said, "Go ahead. Take it."

I am sure that it was searched day one or at least day 2.

Would they need an elaborate chain of custody thing if they were just taking the truck as it was used in a crime?

There may be no evidence, per se, in the truck as I am sure that Kyron rode in it a lot.

But if LE knew it was the vehicle used because of other evidence such as video tapes or whatever, they could just load it up on a flat bed.

Or am I wrong in all of this?

If they were taking the truck because it was used in a crime or to search it for any reason, whether looking for clues or whatever, they would need to establish the chain of custody. The tow truck driver could be LE not in uniform (although I'm sure he would be recognized as such with his mug plastered on the tv) but there's no way LE could be riding shotgun--as LE has to observe it being picked up, being loaded, etc.

 

[6angels]

BBM well isn't there a police officer there 24/7?

An Officer would likely follow the truck to make sure an Officer was with the truck every step of the way so no one could later say the Tow Driver planted something etc.

 

[Calliope]

How about this re the white truck.

I think my car is in my name and my hubby used to have a truck and it was in his name.

Perhaps that is the way it is at their home as well. So Dad could have said, "Go ahead. Take it."

I am sure that it was searched day one or at least day 2.

Would they need an elaborate chain of custody thing if they were just taking the truck as it was used in a crime?

There may be no evidence, per se, in the truck as I am sure that Kyron rode in it a lot.

But if LE knew it was the vehicle used because of other evidence such as video tapes or whatever, they could just load it up on a flat bed.

Or am I wrong in all of this?

Then the vehicle would be evidence. And without securing chain of custody, it's no good to their case.

 

[Emma Peel]

Yes, I am sure. The JK guy said he saw one at 3pm. His neighbor supposedly saw one at 2am that same night/early morning when she let her dogs out. No description of size or anything on either truck, except that it was a blond woman driving the one he saw in the afternoon.

The 3 pm sighting was before anyone knew Kyron was missing. The 2 am sighting was after LE was already staying with the family at their house.

okay, this is a "my mother" story.

My mother would catch aggressive squirrel pests live and for some reason believed that if you transported & relocated them 3+ miles (scientific measurement, I guess), they would never return to roost in her attic again. She has been known to quickly relocate squirrels at any hour of the day and she tries very earnestly not to relocate them in someone else's yard.

And, she has a white truck.

 

[krazyfingerzz]

I thought they looked like pierogies, but I think those are Polish (according to my ex butthead they are, anywho).

Gawd, I love pierogies!

Nyed...my mom was Czech, and the Hungarians, Russians and polish have them. Some people actually eat them filled with prunes (why?), but I love them with potatoes and cheese and sour cream all over them just like in that beautiful picture! All my starches nicely bundled into one happy package!

Ok done ot and going to sleep after a run to store for some Mrs. P's...

 

[Emma Peel]

You know what I see?? Besides 5 white trucks on my road alone?

I see LE doing what we all wish they would do in so many other cases. Using EVERYTHING they have to find Kyron. Billboards. Searches etc. They have not stopped since they found out he was missing. Bless them.

ah ha! You are cheating with that wide-angled lens of yours 6angels.

 

[scandi]

I think we should make clear that nobody really knows anything about an "electric exhibit." We only know that Kyron's classmate said to a reporter that Kyron told him he was going to see an electric exhibit--or something close to those words. The classmate did not refer to a specific exhibit as in "yeah, he was going to look at that cool one in the gym again." It was less specific than that. So, I maybe we should think about ruling the existence of an electric exhibit at the science fair a rumor at this point. Unless someone has a link that refers to one that actually exists.

For all we know, the "electric exhibit" may not have existed at all. It might have been a ruse to get him out of the school. Does this make sense to anyone but me?

I agree Gwenabob I would love to have that cleared up. It just seems like a difficult thing to do at this point. How could we sleuth that except to call the school.

I tried to call the school yesterday and today about giving them a bid for cameras, even with donating some of the equip. They don't answer. I bet they have been bombarded with calls. xox

 

[Calliope]

okay, this is a "my mother" story.

My mother would catch aggressive squirrel pests live and for some reason believed that if you transported & relocated them 3+ miles (scientific measurement, I guess), they would never return to roost in her attic again. She has been known to quickly relocate squirrels at any hour of the day and she tries very earnestly not to relocate them in someone else's yard.

And, she has a white truck.

OMG

My father has squirrels nest in the engine of his .... white truck!!

 

[PorcineGranny]

Ok, I'm sitting here and its almost 2:00 am, eating pretzels, smoking cigarettes and drinking
orange soda. This case is driving me crazy, along with Haleigh's case. I just wanted to give my 2 cents on things.

No, the DA where I am from does not usually visit someone at home. I can't imagine it happening, but then stranger things have happened in life.

Yes, it does seem odd to me that the family's white truck is hauled off to be worked on at this time. If my car wouldn't run, I would think friends and family would be more than glad to give me rides until I could get a hold on my emotions. This is just unusual but not out of reason in my opinion.

I've been trying to quit smoking but if Kyron is not found soon and Haliegh's case is not solved, I may start drinking too. I've still got my bottle of vodka, had it for 12 years now.

 

[scandi]

Nyed...my mom was Czech, and the Hungarians, Russians and polish have them. Some people actually eat them filled with prunes (why?), but I love them with potatoes and cheese and sour cream all over them just like in that beautiful picture! All my starches nicely bundled into one happy package!

Ok done ot and going to sleep after a run to store for some Mrs. P's...

No fair leading us on about Mrs P's. LOL Give it up !!!

 

[human]

Do we know that no LE followed it? And if there is no evidence in the truck, then there would be nothing to plant.

Honestly, I am not belaboring this because I think that one of the family did it. I am just thinking that the truck is a vehicle used in a crime, so the interior doesn't matter. Just the physical truck itself.

Am I making any sense at all because it is late here?

 

[mommya]

It could work the other way too...someone in the know would know that if they sent the truck out to be worked on - any future evidence obtained from it would be questionable.

Another thought...would this be a good time for LE to slap a GPS tracker onto the truck?

 

[human]

okay, this is a "my mother" story.

My mother would catch aggressive squirrel pests live and for some reason believed that if you transported & relocated them 3+ miles (scientific measurement, I guess), they would never return to roost in her attic again. She has been known to quickly relocate squirrels at any hour of the day and she tries very earnestly not to relocate them in someone else's yard.

And, she has a white truck.

I had my SIL do that once with flying squirrels that got in my house. But I felt guilty for the neighborhood that they were pawned off on. I think that he had a black truck at the time, although it was winter and could have been covered with snow.

 

[Calliope]

No fair leading us on about Mrs P's. LOL Give it up !!!

Mrs. T's are da bomb

http://www.pierogies.com/affordablemeals/

Best I've ever had tho'... patient's Polish mom brought some homemade pierogies in one night for him--- and all the nurses too! woot!

great... now I'm hungry >.<

 

[Skully]

Pierogis!!!! My mom made them for me!!! I love pierogis!!!

I love them too! They were a favorite of my dad's and his brother, Tony Young. Yes, a coincidence. Kyron looks like my brother at that age, the resemblance is very close, yet another coincidence in this case for me.

 

[c@rol]

I thought the 2am sighting of the truck said it drove off *after* the dogs were released..almost like someone was startled there was activity at that hour and didn't want to be seen (speculation of course). Also that it was backed up to a body of water. Does anyone know if this area was searched yet?

I'm watching NG now. I'm so glad she has picked this up. He needs more time on the show for sure.

I'm not shocked if the car is indeed being taken to check it (if that's what they are really doing).. what bothers me, since they have not ruled anyone out as a POI.. it would seem logical to me that it would be one of the very first things checked out.. along with any other family vehicles and the home itself.

 

[scandi]

OMG

My father has squirrels nest in the engine of his .... white truck!!

LOL, What about Alvin the Chipmunk. Stripes and all. They are both almost equal here in Oregon, squirrels the braver and more plentiful group I think.

I saw a red squirrel walking a high power line last week crossing over the road, almost to the pole, and he was like dancing across, happy as all get out, his red fur lit up down along his chest, handsome as all get up he was. xox

 

[c@rol]

It could work the other way too...someone in the know would know that if they sent the truck out to be worked on - any future evidence obtained from it would be questionable.

Another thought...would this be a good time for LE to slap a GPS tracker onto the truck?

See.. I'm thinking that should have been done right off the bat. Maybe it was?

 

[scandi]

I thought the 2am siting of the truck said it drove off *after* the dogs were released..almost like someone was startled there was activity at that hour and didn't want to be seen (speculation of course). Also that it was backed up to a body of water. Does anyone know if this area was searched yet?

I'm watching NG now. I'm so glad she has picked this up. He needs more time on the show for sure.

I'm not shocked if the car is indeed being taken to check it.. what bothers me, since they have not ruled anyone out as a POI.. it would seem logical to me that it would be one of the very first things checked out.. along with any other family vehicles and the home itself.

Car@l, Hi there, I never read anything about that with the dogs and all. Do you have a linkipoo? Ta

 

[Calliope]

Do we know that no LE followed it? And if there is no evidence in the truck, then there would be nothing to plant.

Honestly, I am not belaboring this because I think that one of the family did it. I am just thinking that the truck is a vehicle used in a crime, so the interior doesn't matter. Just the physical truck itself.

Am I making any sense at all because it is late here?

(pushing aside visions of pierogies...)

The truck would be evidence then, right? And what of the exterior? If the police seize anything, they have to secure the chain of evidence if they want to be able to use it in their case.

JMO of course.