OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #16

[debs]

I don't think they ask the vehicle owner for permission to place a GPS, that would defeat the purpose, IMO

And in general terms, one doesn't need to haul a vehicle into a garage to attach a GPS. I was looking in a gadget mag the other day and found one I could stick to the underside of my teenager's car (IF I were of a mind to do so), and it's a flash drive so I can just take it off and insert it into the computer and voila, all info, ready to go.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Howdy there Jersey*girl!!

I read that website early on but missed the update with the email there. It does indeed state that the bus driver called the school, and that came right from Kaine H, Kyron's Dad. Curious

Hey Elle! I was busy for a few months with my boys wrestling & football...uggh, so had to take a break from here - VERY glad to have some time to spend on Websleuths! Hope all is well!

Yeah, I thought it was interesting, even if it means nothing. Something else, why does he say "we" when we were all led to believe it was just the "stepmom" to pick Kyron up from the bus? Is it slang to say "we" when referring to another parent that's doing something for their child? I mean, I'd have said "she" or "her name", not we...but then again, that's me and not everybody's the same...

 

[looking4clues]

Howdy there Jersey*girl!!

I read that website early on but missed the update with the email there. It does indeed state that the bus driver called the school, and that came right from Kaine H, Kyron's Dad. Curious

I used to give music lessons in my home. Many of my students would ride the bus to my house after school. On several occasions, one of them wouldn't get off the bus, so I'd ask the bus driver about them. (I was at the bus stop getting my own kids.) The driver always called the school to find out where the child was right then and there. Thinking back, they may have radioed the bus garage which then called the school, but this is the way it was done in my area. I never phoned the school myself. The driver resolved the issue.

I'm sure the driver was the one to call the school and ask where Kyron was. He was the one with panicked parents wondering where their son was. I'm sure everyone thought at this point that he'd just forgotten to get on the bus or got on the wrong bus.

FWIW, I also thought the first thing I heard was that the driver called the school.

 

[Calliope]

Since no one on this board is 100% certain about WHY the Horman's white truck was towed, shouldn't this statement be qualified with an "opinion" disclaimer, or at least the wording read "...MIGHT be the case"? "Isn't the case" indicates FACT, which as far as I can tell, is not established yet. The opinions of people on this board that have LE experience/spouses is certainly very useful, and I do give them considerable weight, but again not proof that this statement is indeed fact, IMHO.

True.

I should have said they thought it was not the case. It's possible LE reeeeally messed up, but I doubt it.


IMO, of course.

 

[SuziQ]

ok I will make it easy. No linking to any FB anymore and no more rumor posting.Took a shot at it but it seems to be too confusing, and the mods are going to go nuts.

No more FB or rumors.

closing the thread for 5 to make sure everyone sees this and it is now clear.

I'm bumping this up.

We can't post rumors, but opinions and thoughts about what's in the media, etc is ok.

 

[Skully]

I'd like to know who exactly called the scholol when Kyron was discovered to be missing. In all the articles that I've read online and heard in the news, I'm informed that Kyron's stepmom called the school. Yet, just this morning I came across an interesting link informing it was the "bus driver" that called the school "immediately" when it became known that Kyron was in fact missing. Here's the link to Kyron's father's email:

http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7

the bus driver would make sense to me to be one of the first people to contact the school. He would be right there, with her at the bus stop and her saying "where is Kyron?". He could of used a cell phone to make sure he wasn't standing outside the school if he missed the bus. So at first it would seem he missed the bus to any parent. The the panic comes when they say he wasn't there all day. so with that said, I see that the email also states he was dropped off at 8:45, and I think it was just the fasted and most simplest way to explain things to the group. Why go into all the details of when LE is telling them not to release it. You don't want that in the beginning of an investigation because if you do get a POI, you have to see if they know stuff not put out to the public, even small details.

 

[elle1919]

Hey Elle! I was busy for a few months with my boys wrestling & football...uggh, so had to take a break from here - VERY glad to have some time to spend on Websleuths! Hope all is well!

Yeah, I thought it was interesting, even if it means nothing. Something else, why does he say "we" when we were all led to believe it was just the "stepmom" to pick Kyron up from the bus? Is it slang to say "we" when referring to another parent that's doing something for their child? I mean, I'd have said "she" or "her name", not we...but then again, that's me and not everybody's the same...

Nah, I don't think it was slang. I have been trying to figure this one out as well. I am the only parent that get's my children off the bus and I sure don't use the word we when explaining who is present. I have been trying to see if LE ever confirmed that Dad was present at the bus stop that afternoon to receive Kyron, but haven't found it. Maybe someone knows?

 

[Day Dreamer]

Howdy there Jersey*girl!!

I read that website early on but missed the update with the email there. It does indeed state that the bus driver called the school, and that came right from Kaine H, Kyron's Dad. Curious

I would think that both probably contacted the school. I would be upset if the bus driver did not immediately stop and phone the school.

 

[mysticrose]

This email also states that Kyron was missing by 9 -9:30 am , dropped off at 8:45, which would tighten the time even further .....

http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7

 

[Calliope]

I don't think they ask the vehicle owner for permission to place a GPS, that would defeat the purpose, IMO

Pretty much, so I guess they'd need a warrant.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

the bus driver would make sense to me to be one of the first people to contact the school. He would be right there, with her at the bus stop and her saying "where is Kyron?". He could of used a cell phone to make sure he wasn't standing outside the school if he missed the bus. So at first it would seem he missed the bus to any parent. The the panic comes when they say he wasn't there all day. so with that said, I see that the email also states he was dropped off at 8:45, and I think it was just the fasted and most simplest way to explain things to the group. Why go into all the details of when LE is telling them not to release it. You don't want that in the beginning of an investigation because if you do get a POI, you have to see if they know stuff not put out to the public, even small details.

I agree with everything you said, Bern, however the reason I thought this was interesting is bc just about every single article I've read or heard in the news on tv has informed us that it was indeed the stepmom that called the school. Now, I understand she could have been standing right next to the bus driver, etc, when that call was made...but still - facts are facts. So, according to the father's email, it was indeed and actually the bus driver that called the school immediately. It's probably nothing but it does change my notes...

Oh, and just to reiterate, I agree with everything that you've stated above. Thanks.

 

[TXHOPE]

I'd like to know who exactly called the scholol when Kyron was discovered to be missing. In all the articles that I've read online and heard in the news, I'm informed that Kyron's stepmom called the school. Yet, just this morning I came across an interesting link informing it was the "bus driver" that called the school "immediately" when it became known that Kyron was in fact missing. Here's the link to Kyron's father's email:

http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7

If SM was waiting at the bus stop and the bus pulled up without Kyron it would make sense for the bus driver to call unless SM just happen to have a cell phone with her at the bus stop.

Sorry Bern we were typing at the same time, same thought!

 

[Forensic fan]

And in general terms, one doesn't need to haul a vehicle into a garage to attach a GPS. I was looking in a gadget mag the other day and found one I could stick to the underside of my teenager's car (IF I were of a mind to do so), and it's a flash drive so I can just take it off and insert it into the computer and voila, all info, ready to go.

How interesting, I didn't know exactly how they worked.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Nah, I don't think it was slang. I have been trying to figure this one out as well. I am the only parent that get's my children off the bus and I sure don't use the word we when explaining who is present. I have been trying to see if LE ever confirmed that Dad was present at the bus stop that afternoon to receive Kyron, but haven't found it. Maybe someone knows?

I'm interested in knowing if Kyrons father was at the bus stop too or where he was.

 

[Calliope]

Well that's interesting. That didn't sink into me previously. Thanks for pointing it out.

That's the only "public" statement by either parent that I've seen regarding that call, but I can see where both versions could be right. Driver calls school but hands phone over to parents. Would the driver have called on a cell or by radio?

 

[Deleted member 718]

Interesting. From article puf posted above.

From LE (Sheriff Staton himself), on Sunday, June 13:

"This is a child who got lost inside a school with faculty there. That was the last time the child was seen."

Lost inside the school. Last seen inside the school.

Nobody saw him leave with SM.

Notice the article date - Sunday, June 13.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_may_have_s.html

Wowser.

If it is proven that Kyron did not leave with an approved family member, what would be the school's liability?

I just imagine the school would be in deep doo-doo and it's no wonder they've told everyone to keep their lips sealed. And it might be why Kyron's family has yet to speak out, because if it were my child the school lost, or in some way failed to protect, I'd be screaming from the roof tops. But that's just me.


IIRC, the school asked parents for all photos and videos from that day. Were parents able to give copies, or did they want complete memory cards i e.?

 

[debs]

Nah, I don't think it was slang. I have been trying to figure this one out as well. I am the only parent that get's my children off the bus and I sure don't use the word we when explaining who is present. I have been trying to see if LE ever confirmed that Dad was present at the bus stop that afternoon to receive Kyron, but haven't found it. Maybe someone knows?

In this note, I read Kaine's message as being delivered from the family's perspective, and therefore the pronoun "we" isn't suspicious; it actually fits into acting as one. I would find it more suspicious at that point in the letter to hear it go from a family perspective to Kaine saying "My wife" or "Terri" or "She" was at the bus stop. It just seems logical to speak from the family's point of view in this instance.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Gr

Your entire post was very informative and thought provoking for me. It also shook loose another possibility in my mind.

It is known that some predatory pedophiles make an effort to look for single mothers to date. They're not really interested in the mother except as a means of getting close to her children.

I started thinking... what if Kyron were abducted by someone dating a single mother from that school?

Even if she hadn't reached the point of introducing him to her children, it would be totally normal for two adults to discuss her kids, their achievements, what sort of school they go to, etc. And, as we have seen, it isn't difficult at all to find extensive information about that particular school online.

I'm assuming that the perp had not been invited to tour the science fair by the mother he was dating but that would provide the perfect excuse if someone spotted him there. "Oh, I had an unexpected opening in my morning, so I decided to surprise my girlfriend by coming to see her kid's exhibit."

That would make the risks of opportunistically scoping out the school seem much lower. He could have gone there without any specific plan in mind but saw Kyron alone at some point and made his move.

I think it is very possible that Kyron could have been lured out of the school building by a "parent looking" sort of person asking him to come help unload something for the talent show. If anyone had seen the perp with Kyron, all that would have happened would have been that the perp would have returned Kyron to the school unharmed.

But there were no witnesses.

The more I think about it, the lower risk this abduction actually was. If I assume that the abduction would have been aborted at any point if there had been witnesses, then it was almost risk free at that time and place.

The perp would not have been expected to be at the school, so it would be easier to arrange an alibi. If someone had noticed him at the school, he would have had a perfect rationalisation.

The highest risk time would have been a few seconds when he had Kyron out by his vehicle.

Grainne....this gave me chills....

 

[Boo Scout]

I guess. To me all Talent shows my children was in was always a big deal but to her it could not of been IDk i was just thinking out loud.

My sister just remarked to me last night that her 7 year old daughter is singing "We are Family" with 2 other girls in her talent show at school, and she wished she could go, but that it is NOT a talent show where parents are supposed to attend...a talent show by the students for the students.

This talent show could be similar.

moo.

 

[mysticrose]

Call me cynical but I do not like the truck being hauled off, I know it is being hauled of for repairs rolleyes it just seems too convenient, and that is all I am going to say about that ...at least for now