OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #5

[tlcya]

MOO

The person who lured kyron away was known to him and is known to the community. The person in question fits into the school environment and doesn't set off any red flags when there friday morning.

LE is playing things extrememly close to the vest because

a) they have a person of interest they are looking into but have not enough evidence to pursue yet and they do not want said POI clued in to the fact they are looking at him/her. or

b) they have no clue, no POI, but do not want this case to take on a life of its own in the media as cases have been want to do recently.

I am leaning towards a) because that is the only explanation I can see for why family is not being encouraged (nay pressured even) to give a public plea for Kyron's safe return.

LE behavior makes me think they DO know more than we are being told and that they do NOT feel they are looking for a live child.

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

updated 1 hour, 26 minutes ago

"We're not prepared to call it a criminal investigation at this point," Gates said. It would be considered a crime "when we have elements or specific information about this case that would lead us in a direction where there are crimes that can be defined."

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Kyron was last seen about 9 a.m. Friday, shortly after the boy and his stepmother attended a science fair at the school.

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Gates said he hopes to have the search concluded by the end of the week but said the sheriff's office would "continue this investigation until there's a resolution."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37588381/ns/us_news-life/

That last snippet - is that where Gates said something about having this wrapped up by the end of the week? The ground search? I couldn't get the live presser going yesterday until near the end of it, so I missed the 'wrapped up by the end of the week' statement.

Frequently in SAR ground operations, an initial grid search area will be plotted out (for example, 2-3 square miles when a missing event like Kyron's occurs) and when that grid is completed and cleared, they will consider that aspect of the SAR mission 'completed.'
Further, or more expansive grids or searches will be considered new searches, or repeat searches (if it is a new search over the same terrain.)

I believe this may have been what the sheriff was referring to.

 

[swa]

An older teenager who drives is still a minor. They have enough freedom to be wherever they want to be, even during the day when a parent thinks they are at school. They can be very crafty with innocent sounding excuses why they don't have to be at class that day; "Coach Smith is out of town, we have a sub and it's just a video I've seen before", etc. Teenagers think they are invincible. They are stubborn, and can be vengeful, especially if they are angry with their parents. They make a point of knowing the back roads...places where kids can party and not be disturbed. Sometimes a worried parent might drive those back roads at odd hours, desperately searching to find their teenager before they get themselves into real trouble they can't get out of.

When I say "minor", I'm not thinking of a little kid. JMO​

Not a bad point - it's just extremely rare for a teenager to abduct a young child. Anything at this point is possible.

 

[LMax]

Thank you all for posting the scanner link earlier for the local area.
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=cwp&ctid=2230

 

[Pensfan]

What time was this Kyron's photo taken in front of his science project? Where are all the other kids and parents?

 

[SuziQ]

Just a quick question that has been bothering me...I know when my kids attended a science fair or any activity of the such before class began...attendance was taken at that time...On one occasion I had to take my son to a Doctor's appointment after the science fair and I spoke to the teacher and told her I was doing so and signed him out of school...my questions is this...his teachers had to see him there...didn't she/he think that it was strange that Kyron was not in class and his stepmother didn't say anything about taken him out of class...shouldn't this alerted anyone there...I am not blaming anyone!!!!

Supposedly at the Science Fair SM told the teacher Kyron had an appointment later that week. The teacher misunderstood and thought SM meant that day. The teacher assumed that Kyron left school with SM.

 

[angelmom]

An older teenager who drives is still a minor. They have enough freedom to be wherever they want to be, even during the day when a parent thinks they are at school. They can be very crafty with innocent sounding excuses why they don't have to be at class that day; "Coach Smith is out of town, we have a sub and it's just a video I've seen before", etc. Teenagers think they are invincible. They are stubborn, and can be vengeful, especially if they are angry with their parents. They make a point of knowing the back roads...places where kids can party and not be disturbed. Sometimes a worried parent might drive those back roads at odd hours, desperately searching to find their teenager before they get themselves into real trouble they can't get out of.

When I say "minor", I'm not thinking of a little kid. JMO​

Very good point. This is all true; however, I have definitely seen cases where the minor is 16 or 17 (old enough to drive) and they aren't quite as careful as with a, say, 13 or 14 yo. B/c at that age, they would almost definitely be charged/treated as adults.

Also, I would think a 16+yo who was absent unexcused on Friday would have been looked at pretty closely by now. Especially if they had access to a car. Extra especially if they had any type of relationship with Kyron that would make him go willingly and without permission.

I guess I'm not totally convinced that a young minor could have done this or that an older minor would explain LE's pattern of (not) revealing info.

But as I said before, I am completely baffled, so whatever happens will be surprising to me. I just pray that it is not one of those mysteries that we never know what happened, like Etan Patz. I think that has to be the worst possible scenario.

 

[Pensfan]

MOO

The person who lured kyron away was known to him and is known to the community. The person in question fits into the school environment and doesn't set off any red flags when there friday morning.

LE is playing things extrememly close to the vest because

a) they have a person of interest they are looking into but have not enough evidence to pursue yet and they do not want said POI clued in to the fact they are looking at him/her. or

b) they have no clue, no POI, but do not want this case to take on a life of its own in the media as cases have been want to do recently.

I am leaning towards a) because that is the only explanation I can see for why family is not being encouraged (nay pressured even) to give a public plea for Kyron's safe return.

LE behavior makes me think they DO know more than we are being told and that they do NOT feel they are looking for a live child.

Bolded by me
If Kyron was abducted by acquaintance or stranger, the only chance Kyron has to still be alive is that the abductor doesn't think LE knows his identity.

 

[Reannan]

Hi guys....sorry if this has already been clarified. Kyron was supposed to be in a talent show at the school after lunch. If the SM was able to attend the sciene fair, why wouldn't she also plan on seeing Kyron in the talent show? I never miss that sort of even at my kids school. If she had gone to the talent show, and Kyron wasn't there - the alarm would have been sounded much, much earlier....

 

[lalalemon]

What time was this Kyron's photo taken in front of his science project? Where are all the other kids and parents?

There is another little one in the background, a little girl right at the back of the classroom. The photo is said to have been taken by SM when she dropped him off at school that day.

 

[Pensfan]

Supposedly at the Science Fair SM told the teacher Kyron had an appointment later that week. The teacher misunderstood and thought SM meant that day. The teacher assumed that Kyron left school with SM.

I keep thinking that the media will interview Kyron's teacher each day, but I haven't found it. Has anyone seen the teacher interviewed?

 

[Pensfan]

There is another little one in the background, a little girl right at the back of the classroom. The photo is said to have been taken by SM when she dropped him off at school that day.

Yeah, I can see the one little girl in the background, but where is everyone else?

 

[BeanE]

Supposedly at the Science Fair SM told the teacher Kyron had an appointment later that week. The teacher misunderstood and thought SM meant that day. The teacher assumed that Kyron left school with SM.

I thought these were rumors from comments left on a news article or Facebook. Have they been confirmed in a news article we can link to?

 

[LMax]

Yeah, I can see the one little girl in the background, but where is everyone else?

It was probably still early and I don't think they were supposed to go from class to class with a group until 9 or so...I'm guessing.

 

[pufnstuf]

I don't think anyone has said that the parents should "plea to let Kyron go."

But, you know, there are a lot of volunteers out there in those woods and briars putting their own lives at risk--one was hurt bad enough yesterday that he had to be taken by ambulance to the hospital.

So it would be nice for Terri and Kaine to at least say "thank you" to the multiple search organizations and "please keep looking for our son--we want him home" to the public.

His mother has already released a statement through his aunt. I don't think it would hurt for his stepmother and father to do the same.

 

[LMax]

Did morning buses run at regular time or did they come later since school wasn't to start until 10 that day?

 

[Calliope]

Childseek do appear to be genuine:

http://www.childseeknetwork.com/horman.htm

They mention at the bottom of his page about the reward fund.

Edited to add, it also states what will happen to the funds if the reward is not paid out. "The money donated will go to an account set up for the Kyron Horman Fund with Chase Bank. It will remain until a tip leads to his recovery or until he is found. The funds if not paid out will be donated to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children"

I'd call the bank and find out who set up the account and has authority to withdraw and distribute funds. Then I'd donate directly to the bank, not through any other group or website.

 

[pufnstuf]

Supposedly at the Science Fair SM told the teacher Kyron had an appointment later that week. The teacher misunderstood and thought SM meant that day. The teacher assumed that Kyron left school with SM.

I don't get that, either. Why would she--in the middle of all the stuff that was going on, as busy as the teacher must have been welcoming parents, directing people around, etc,--tell the teacher that Kyron had the appointment on a future date?

On Friday, there were only five days left of school. She emailed the teacher to ask about picking up the project--she could have told her then.

Again... so much stuff just seems "off."

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Hi guys....sorry if this has already been clarified. Kyron was supposed to be in a talent show at the school after lunch. If the SM was able to attend the sciene fair, why wouldn't she also plan on seeing Kyron in the talent show? I never miss that sort of even at my kids school. If she had gone to the talent show, and Kyron wasn't there - the alarm would have been sounded much, much earlier....

Elementary school talent shows are a huge undertaking by the organizers and having a kid not show up who is expected to perform would not go unnoticed.

No one from his family showed up to see him perform? Hinky.

 

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