OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #6

[Jules71]

This thread moves way too fast. I left off last night at page 23 (I think) when the thread was locked and now need to read thru page 32 and 5 pages of this new thread. Is there any news this morning? Anything pan out from the scanner call that was heard last night about a possible sighting of Kyron?

Reading... reading... reading....

 

[raeann]

Who's to say this aunt wasn't speaking for the entire family, stepmom and father included? That's how I took it, anyway.

LOL.....me too....that is why I said released by the family AS A GROUP. I was impressed that they had done it this way, because it seemed to be a subtle way of saying "we are all together in this".

 

[suzet]

*snipped*

Again, as a teacher, I can say that if a child forgot a jacket or backpack it would not be noticed until the end of the day when all the others kids stuff was gone. I can say that at least one child forgets something in my classroom every day, so stuff left at the end of the day would not alarm me.
When my son was in first grade, they had lockers. The teacher never knew what the kids forgot at the end of the day.

I suppose what I'm getting at, is that a talent show was a preplanned event that was a rather important end of the year show. For a child to miss this event with no word from a parent specifically saying something like, "Hey, I know y'all spent hours preparing for this talent show and my son has a part in it, but sorry, he won't be there," I think I might be concerned enough to check things out when the child didn't make it back in time. Heck, the SM and little boy could have been in an accident that prevented them from coming back to the school, for all the teacher knows. Not that that is her problem, but the child's whereabouts and why he would be missing from class all day, should be her concern.

I guess I just feel a day with a Science Fair AND a talent show is pretty big to a kid and a school, and that a teacher might be concerned if a child missed both, since the fair was in the morning and the talent show was in the afternoon.

I dunno, I guess I might be more cautious than some other people. There are many alarms ringing and red flags being battered in the breeze as far as this case goes, imo.

 

[Jules71]

Why, that is the most helpful thing I've ever seen on a case! Amanda Reckonwith completely rules! Does she do this for other cases? I think there should be a big ol' sticky with Amanda Reckonwith's links. :Crown:

Yes, she does do it for other cases - and yes she completely ROCKS!

 

[Calliope]

This is a great point. The school is liable for Kyron. They aren't answering questions about procedures and who was possibly in the school that morning -- because of a potential lawsuit.

Having said that though -- if it was a parent of another student who did this -- that's not really the school's fault.

I'm positive our perp was absent from his job on Friday -- hopefully they are looking into this angle.

bbm

I'm as cynical as the next person when it comes to stuff like this, but IMO they're not making specific comments and answering questions because they're cooperating with LE and their request not to do so.

 

[southern_scout]

This is a great point. The school is liable for Kyron. They aren't answering questions about procedures and who was possibly in the school that morning -- because of a potential lawsuit.

Having said that though -- if it was a parent of another student who did this -- that's not really the school's fault.

I'm positive our perp was absent from his job on Friday -- hopefully they are looking into this angle.

Unless it was a teenager without a job, or a woman... (NOT implying SM, simply saying it might not have been a man or someone who was employed).

 

[raeann]

Why, that is the most helpful thing I've ever seen on a case! Amanda Reckonwith completely rules! Does she do this for other cases? I think there should be a big ol' sticky with Amanda Reckonwith's links. :Crown:

Yes, she does, she is a picture posting magician. Even when I think that I have looked at every link and article, i go to her link and there are a ton of things that I never saw before that!

jmoo

 

[Calliope]

LOL.....me too....that is why I said released by the family AS A GROUP. I was impressed that they had done it this way, because it seemed to be a subtle way of saying "we are all together in this".

Just to clarify, I didn't mean to imply you thought otherwise, I was just agreeing with you. I have the impression that the family is together on this and supportive of each other. I don't see them as splitting into "camps".

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Another time link,placing Kyron near his classroom. As to the time, it must have been a bit before 8:45, because isn't that when school actually starts ? Wouldn't the teacher start taking attendance then ?

What about the person who saw Kyron by his classroom door at 9 :00 ? The person who LE would not identify ? I wonder if he went and looked at the cool science project,and was on his way into his classroom when something happened ? I would look at other parents,and other relatives of classmates who had been at the Science Fair. I think someone spoke to him when he went back to look at that "cool " project. Said something to lure him into their car. The school sounds really lax, and whoever did this probably knew that... Could have been someone he knew by sight,and so wasn't a stranger to him. Hope Kyron is found soon.

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I would look at other parents,and other relatives of classmates who had been at the Science Fair.



And who could have been with them or at the cool (electric)project.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

When LE said it was an isolated incident?What do they mean by this?That only Kyron was targeted?

 

[theissueathand]

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I would look at other parents,and other relatives of classmates who had been at the Science Fair.

And who could have been with them or at the cool (electric)project.

I think that's a great idea... it's the same thing I was thinking when I heard about said project... however I'm sure LE has explored that avenue already.

 

[watchful_eye]

Hello everyone, I am brand new to the boards. I am so pleased to know there are online communities such as this to provide insight into cases and to help missing persons. Many of you have posted some great points and possible explanations to questions regarding Kyron's case. My comments may have been repeated already, but bare with me.

I've always been interested in criminal justice and missing persons cases, and am a staunch supporter of keeping sex offenders off our streets FOR GOOD (whatever method that may take), and I do not believe they can be rehabilitated. Anyway...

For some reason this little boy's dissappearance has really hit me hard. I think the last event that deeply disturbed me was the Groene case, but Horman's for some reason just hits hard. Maybe it's the mystery of it all, but I don't know. I'm constantly thinking about him, even losing sleep.

Now, this is not necessarily an abduction/offender situation at this point (G-d willing it won't be, but...), although LE has already deemed it a criminal investigation (not good). And the fact that they are withholding details is not a good sign---a responsible action to do---but not a good sign.

I understand the rules on this board about fingering or questioning family members, so I won't discuss anything related to Terri, but there are a few other parts of this fiasco that I am trying to understand:

1. How did someone see him alone at 9 am, but not with another person anytime after that? Just pure chance? (Maybe there was no other person...)

2. I really do not think he is somewhere in the school alive. Otherwise, officials would have heard his cries for help. And, apparently, they've turned the school upside down, using thermal technology and what not...

3. Were his backpack and coat still in the classroom? Did they look through them, dust for fingerprints? (I'm sure they have, but I want to know the results, lol)

4. If he did leave the school on his own (wandered out), you would think in all the areas officials/search teams looked over, you would have heard cries for help, (if alive).

5. I'd love to know the outcome of the 2 suspicious pick-up trucks.

We know there are cases of children being lost--then found alive, and children being abducted and found alive (i.e. Elizabeth Smart), so I hope he's found alive, but not having been abducted. No one wants another child to have to endure years of trauma as a result

 

[Jules71]

http://www.kptv.com/news/23842774/detail.html

Kyron's classmate, said he last saw his friend at about the same time when Kyron told him he was headed to look at another student's science project.

"He walked by the hallway and I'm like, 'Hi, Kyron,' and he's like, 'Hi. I'm going to go see this cool one. It's electric.' I'm like, 'Alright, bye.' And that's the last time I saw him," Tanner said. "He never did make it back to class."

What time did he see him, did he have a watch and did he see Kyron's mom with him? I have trouble keeping track of time when i'm busy, I can imagion that kids do too. Also, this could have been earlier in the day just as it could of been after his mom left. I am just saying it is hard for me to make this a "fact" that he was seen after his mom left within the 15 minute time frame going to another project...possiable yeah. But not a fact.

My questions about this are:
1) When Tanner saw him, was he with his SM?
2) Who did an "electric" project and which class was that in?
3) Did a bell ring at 8:45 and all the kids needed to be back in their classrooms at this time to get in groups?

 

[Day Dreamer]

LOL.....me too....that is why I said released by the family AS A GROUP. I was impressed that they had done it this way, because it seemed to be a subtle way of saying "we are all together in this".

Think back to the Haleigh Cummings case. People got distracted talking about custody arrangements and such. I think the family may be looking to avoid that here in order to keep KYRON as the MAIN forcus. I also assumed it was from all of the family.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

My questions about this are:
1) When Tanner saw him, was he with his SM?
2) Who did an "electric" project and which class was that in?
3) Did a bell ring at 8:45 and all the kids needed to be back in their classrooms at this time to get in groups?

Good questions.

 

[Adrienne37]

I think far too much emphasis is being placed on why the family hasn't spoken to the media yet (other than perhaps from the biological mother's sister). I'm sure that the family will address the media when they feel the time is right. I don't think we should condemn them because they haven't spoken out yet.

As far as the school issue, on days that my daughter has missed, I received an automated call around 6 to 6:30 p.m. I guess I always thought that was pretty much standard procedure with all schools now but I guess not.

Lastly, Kyron reminds me so much of Ethan Stacy. I am praying hard for his safe return.

 

[southern_scout]

We've talked about the truck in this picture, right? I was going through AmandaReconwiths' album and it caught my eye.

 

[BeanE]

Another time link,placing Kyron near his classroom. As to the time, it must have been a bit before 8:45, because isn't that when school actually starts ? Wouldn't the teacher start taking attendance then ?

What about the person who saw Kyron by his classroom door at 9 :00 ? The person who LE would not identify ? I wonder if he went and looked at the cool science project,and was on his way into his classroom when something happened ? I would look at other parents,and other relatives of classmates who had been at the Science Fair. I think someone spoke to him when he went back to look at that "cool " project. Said something to lure him into their car. The school sounds really lax, and whoever did this probably knew that... Could have been someone he knew by sight,and so wasn't a stranger to him. Hope Kyron is found soon.

I think it must have been after 8:45, since 8:45 is when the stepmom left Kyron in the hallway, this kid saw Kyron in the hallway, and the kid didn't mention the stepmom being with Kyron.

The stepmom said Kyron was headed to his classroom, not to an electricity project, and this kid said Kyron was not going to his classroom, but to the electricity project.

When you put it all together, the stepmom has left with Kyron walking down the hallway to his class, then the kid sees Kyron who's veering from his class and going instead to an electricity project.

I don't think I just made any sense at all. lol.

 

[Dreya]

A few threads ago pufnstuf posted re Kyron's SM --- talking about what a devoted mom she really seems to be:

She is very active in Kyron's life, takes him to swimming lessons, participates as a room mother in his class, loves him as her own. Refers to him as her son.

No attempt by me to single out swimming group! There are probably a number of groups (like soccer, etc.) where Kyron met instructors, other students of various ages, as well as their parents. I'd be sure that LE has been checking out babysitters, coaches and instructors...

Why no scent trail?

BBM I was thinking the same thing. Even if he were carried, wouldn't he still be shedding skin cells and leaving a trail? There was a canine SAR handler who helped with questions in the Shantina Smiley thread. Maybe someone can ask her to weigh in on this case?

 

[tlcya]

Welcome to WS watchful_eye. Good first post.