OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #7

[GourmetSoy]

I know, right?! Even more, why would they expect NOT to be approached under the circumstances and why weren't there more reporters there? You'd think they would be mobbed.

Maybe because they were directed not to talk to the media and were also told the media was asked not to try to get a statement from them? IMO they weren't thinking the media would approach them and possibly didn't know what to say.

 

[BeanE]

I'm re-posting this article. Let's get back to having some constructive discussion and sleuthing about Kyron's case.

Who do you think left? The teacher or the subsitute?

Horman's Desk Mate Says Substitute Noticed Him Missing
Last Update: 6/09 11:30 pm

snip the first person to notice Kyron Horman was missing was a substitute teacher who was taking a head count as the second and third grade class was re-assembling after visiting other classrooms for a science fair at Skyline School last Friday.

"And she was like 'oh no where's Kyron there's only five' and Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says Tanner Pumala.

snip Tanner says Kyron was in school for at least an hour Friday morning and that he saw Kyron's step-mother leave the school without Kyron.

snip Upon hearing the substitute teacher noticing that Kyron was not present in the classroom, Pumala says the regular teacher said Kyron had probably gone to get a drink of water or to use the bathroom.

snip Pumala's grandmother says F-B-I agents and Multnomah County investigators have asked Pumala and his grandmother not to speak with the media, for reasons they did not divulge. Fuhrur says she decided to allow her grandson talk snip

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...itute-Noticed-Him/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx

 

[Jules71]

Then we have a natural father who asks that a horse farm be searched?

Just catching up this morning - do you have a link or something I can look at where it says this? TIA!

 

[SuziQ]

Someone with more experience than I have in these matters finds this unusual.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html

Terri Horman, Kyron’s stepmother, hasn’t been completely silent. She has spent some time on Facebook since Friday responding to posts from friends and talking about her workouts, which is more that Jensen said he finds unusual.

“What I know from being an investigator and dealing with parents in tragic situations like this - homicides, kidnappings, stuff like that - they just really couldn’t much function other than to sit and wait for us to call,” he said.

Jensen said investigators could be asking the Horman’s to be silent and to carry on with their lives as normal, but he said in his experience it is extremely difficult for families to be quiet and stay away from a search scene when a loved one, especially a child, is missing.

 

[awakewriter]

RE: the workouts.

I find, in times of high stress, working out not only relieves my anxiety, it clarifies my thinking.

I could not possibly count the number of epiphanies I've had while exercising.

It also helps tremendously with sleep during times of high stress.

My husband would encourage me, in a situation such as the Hormans', to go exercise for a while, because he knows the benefits I reap from it.

 

[Jules71]

I'm re-posting this article. Let's get back to having some constructive discussion and sleuthing about Kyron's case.

Who do you think left? The teacher or the subsitute?

"And she was like 'oh no where's Kyron there's only five' and Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says Tanner Pumala.

I think the sub left - she said "alright" in response to teacher saying he probably left to go to br or get drink - and then left.

 

[STEADFAST]

No, that's true, and I did not contend otherwise.

I was stating that it is my belief from what LE has said, as well as, more importantly, the fact that we now have confirmation that the stepmom left the school without Kyron, and that Kyron remained, that Kyron's family are not involved, and that that is the premise LE is working from.

I missed that confirmation. Are you referring to the 2nd grader's media interview? For some of us, at least for me, that isn't confirmation of anything.

I will say, though, that now that the child has told that story, his teacher and the "sub" (or volunteer, maybe) as well as the sm are being looked at suspiciously by the public, and I sure would like LE to publicly clear all three or at least clarify the timeline to clear who they can. All three are in an untenable position at this point.

Pretty soon, since so many people can't resist a moment of fame, more kids or parents are going to come out with, "I saw Mr. XYZ near Kyron," "I saw Kyron leaving with ABC," and etc, and pretty soon, the community is going to be pointing fingers everywhere.

I know LE is focused on finding Kyron right now, but I think they need quell the tide of suspicion, too.

It just nags at me that Kyron could be in that school somewhere, behind something in an electrical closet or squeezed in somewhere he went to hide. I know they've searched, but they searched for Annie Le and didn't find her at first either.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Exercise is one of the very best stress reducers. Nothing odd or suspicious or weird about it.

I agree BeanE. And I think they have always been pretty involved in working out and staying in shape.

So, someone who normally works out on a regular basis and all of a sudden has a tremendous amount of stress from something like this, would REALLY want/need to work out. IMO

If God forbid something like this happened to me, and I went and worked out, it would be VERY HINKY because I just don't work out. EVER.

Also, I might add, I'm sure they had cell phones and could be reached at any moment if something broke in the case. Taking an hour or two to relieve stress at the gym was a good thing IMO.

What is the difference in sitting by the phone at home waiting for a call and working out at a gym for your sanity waiting for a call?

I see nothing hinky about a quick stress relieving workout.

JMO

 

[cj1132]

O/T - I've seen people with very good sleuthing skills and would like to suggest that you take a look at the "unidentified" thread. There are thousands of unidentified people who need their name back and they sure could use your help. Warning -- it is very addicting and time consuming, but it is an opportunity to possibly make a difference in someone's life.

 

[tlcya]

IN RE: Someone who has more experience than I do finds this unusual (post)

Someone who is IN NO WAY ASSOCIATRED WITH THIS CASE finds it unusual. We have been warned repeatedly. I do not want this thread locked - I want to discuss Kryon. Not some former LE officer who is in no way related to this case, this search, and quite frankly, I find it tacky that this former LE person is running around giving interviews about a case he is not on. I find it tacky and suspect his motives in doing so.

 

[LotsaLatte]

I'm re-posting this article. Let's get back to having some constructive discussion and sleuthing about Kyron's case.

Who do you think left? The teacher or the subsitute?

I'm thinking that the "substitute" or teacher assistant maybe (?) was there to help supervise/chaperone a group of kids during the science fair. And if that's the case, he/she left when the children returned to their classrooms to start their school day. Hope that made sense? I was thinking that with the kids being taken to exhibits throughout the school, they asked for volunteers or staffed a bit more than usual to help with the groups of children.

On another note, I thought about Kyron's friend saying Kyron was going to see a "cool" electric (?) project that morning. If that happened, how would Kyron know it was "cool" unless someone told him it was and where it was? KWIM?

 

[Angel4u2Whisper2]

Do we have a family and friends support thred for Kyron? :waitasec: I don't know if that is possiable or not but seems like when we are talking about a case there is much to discuss that could feel sensitive. I mean the whole thing is sensitive.

I am scared to post anything any more because I am afraid that someone will think, feel or take what I am saying the wrong way. I understand that some topics that are out there are difficult. There isn't a happy or unsensitive story when a child is missing..unless they come home safe!


I have not seen anyone saying anything terriable about anyone and if it happened I feel confident the mods take it off, let the poster know, make an announcement or issue TO's. :twocents:

:blowkiss: I love Webslueths and I respect different opinions and feelings even when they do not match mine.

 

[ChasingMoxie]

I have exercised on the day that I learned that someone very close to me had passed. Someone that I lived with. Exercise clears my mind; it allows me to see a way forward when I otherwise can't.

Maybe it was weird of me, but to be honest, what I really didn't have the energy for was worrying about what people thought of me at the time. I was so distraught, I just didn't care.

 

[JLMcKenna83]

snip.....
Pumala's grandmother says F-B-I agents and Multnomah County investigators have asked Pumala and his grandmother not to speak with the media, for reasons they did not divulge. Fuhrur says she decided to allow her grandson talk, in part to keep the missing boy in the public eye.

Horman's desk mate says substitute noticed him missing

article snipped and BBM...

This is a line I don't understand, Kyron is no where near dropping out of the public eye right now. And the grandmother specifically went against FBI and LE's wishes with speaking to the media. I believe there may be something more to this interview... I just can't figure it out yet...

 

[SuziQ]

IN RE: Someone who has more experience than I do finds this unusual (post)

Someone who is IN NO WAY ASSOCIATRED WITH THIS CASE finds it unusual. We have been warned repeatedly. I do not want this thread locked - I want to discuss Kryon. Not some former LE officer who is in no way related to this case, this search, and quite frankly, I find it tacky that this former LE person is running around giving interviews about a case he is not on. I find it tacky and suspect his motives in doing so.

I assume that is addressed to me since I made that post? What matters to some doesn't matter to others and that's cool. I'm not willing to write of and ignore the opinion of a 20 year veteran of PPD.

 

[STEADFAST]

I'm thinking that the "substitute" or teacher assistant maybe (?) was there to help supervise/chaperone a group of kids during the science fair. And if that's the case, he/she left when the children returned to their classrooms to start their school day. Hope that made sense? I was thinking that with the kids being taken to exhibits throughout the school, they asked for volunteers or staffed a bit more than usual to help with the groups of children.

On another note, I thought about Kyron's friend saying Kyron was going to see a "cool" electric (?) project that morning. If that happened, how would Kyron know it was "cool" unless someone told him it was and where it was? KWIM?

I hadn't thought of that. Someone could have lured him by telling him there was a "cool" electric exhibit in some isolated place.

 

[Calliope]

Well, I had to go out for a couple of hours, but I'm still seething over what that kid's grandmother did.

If it turns out she compromised this investigation/search, she's going to have that on her head---and frankly I don't care about how she'll have to deal with that. But to put her grandson in that position? That's something he'll have to live with the rest of his life. He's just a little kid, he couldn't have possibly known what impact talking to the media could have on this case. But this idiot grandmother did... and chose to ignore what the professionals instructed. And the reporter???? Completely irresponsible. As soon as he heard the FBI told them not to speak out, he should have given up his chance for a *scoop* and pretended he never even spoke to them.


:furious:

 

[awakewriter]

"And she was like 'oh no where's Kyron there's only five' and Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says Tanner Pumala.

I think the sub left - she said "alright" in response to teacher saying he probably left to go to br or get drink - and then left.

I agree.

I also think that the boy saying he saw Mrs. Horman leaving without Kyron could be true.

Personally, I believe the Hormans did everything right from the first moments. Nothing was suspicious about the protocol they followed.

Kyron didn't come home on the bus, so they called the school. When the school didn't know where he was, police were contacted.

Compare this to Scott Peterson calling his mother-in-law and saying, "Laci's missing," without asking if she'd seen or heard from her daughter. In my opinion, that was the behavior of someone who had knowledge of what happened to his wife.

The Hormans' behavior is that of people who do not know what happened.

In my opinion, of course.

If LE is following that logic, then they believe Kyron:

a. wandered away and got lost or stuck.
b. was abducted by someone he knows.
c. was abducted by a stranger.

Any other possibilities? What clues back up any of those scenarios?

P.S. Does anyone have a confirmed fact list in this case?

 

[suzet]

I have faith in the LE working on this case, and I think they have made it clear that Kyron's stepmom and dad are not suspects.

It's clear to me that they had nothing to do with what happened to Kyron, particularly since we now have confirmation that she left the school without Kyron, and he remained there and was saw there.

MOO

No one has been cleared that I know of. And how do we know definitely SM left the school without Kyron? I'm not saying she didn't, but I haven't seen a confirmation of that.

Imo, you are absolutely right, SuziQ.

Not saying anything one way or the other, but until I see a video tape of SM driving out of the parking lot alone and not returning at any time that day, I would think no one could really confirm that she did indeed leave while Kyron remained in the building. Oh wait, there are no cameras.

 

[swa]

I am noticing this Websleuths thread is becoming less and less "Victim Friendly" :banghead:

Hoping for a safe Kyron to return home to his family!

I think everyone here is concerned for the safe return of Kyron.

If this is an open discussion though, we all have the right to look at evidence and make comments about it.

Parents getting into a car ignoring questions about their missing son is not normal -- I'm sorry. People can say what they want about the police telling them to be quiet and live their lives like normal. Doing it is another matter though.

In my experience seeing cases like this, it's hard to "fake emotion" when you already know the outcome.