OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #9

[Pensfan]

Welcome to WS, amylht!

 

[BeanE]

I say go for it as well. If it's wrong, it can be deleted.

It doesn't work that way, human. In fact, posting something and saying a mod can just delete it, can earn someone a timeout.

 

[78gidget78]

on Fox? I thought it was me. I've been checking all the speaker wires.

yes fox

 

[Beyond Belief]

Was there a report of a jacket or backpack that should be with him?
Every kid has a backpack.

 

[human]

There are so many if's :

1. IF the teacher was told that he had an appointment, she would not think anything of his backpack being there.

She could have thought that he was coming back later. Since he didn't, she could think that the appointment took longer and he just wasn't coming back that day. Or she could have thought that they just plain forgot it.

The parents look to be very involved and responsible, so the teacher wouldn't worry about it.

2. If the teacher did in fact say that it was no big deal he wasn't in the group. He went to get a drink of water or whatever, then that certainly brings up a whole new set of questions.

 

[Pensfan]

Post, post, post the news conference info., please. (Can't find it.)

 

[CCup]

CCup can you reduce the picture you posted a couple posts ago? is too big and was blowing the margins

thanks and sorry

Now it disappeared ????? Sorry

 

[Emma Peel]

I dont know how ???? Any suggestions?

This worked for me when I needed to reduce the pixl in a photo to upload it to a site. It's like photoshop but on-line & free.

go here:

upload your photo,edit, and/or re-save it in reduced byte size.

http://www.pixlr.com/

 

[Pensfan]

Was there a report of a jacket or backpack that should be with him?
Every kid has a backpack.

Yea, he left his jacket and backpack in his homeroom. One of the teachers, but not his regular teacher, even asked about it.

 

[dorothyz]

I couldn't get audio either, so I just watched it on TV. Not a word about the meeting! They showed some searchers out in the field, and gifts that have been left on the family's mailbox, otherwise business as usual. One mom said the FBI was at her house last night to search, and they let them in, but that's all she said.

 

[JBean]

I dont know how ???? Any suggestions?

host it at a site like photobucket and reduce the size when you upload it.

 

[AlexisFresca]

I'm thinking it was a collective "we" as well. Wouldn't the dad be at work at 3:30? If he had taken the day off, wouldn't he have gone to the science fair too? Just speculation.

Or he only worked half a day and left at noon?

 

[darlin gal]

Dog information for our "dog people" who were interested and everyone else of course.

Dogs deployed
Canine units, including tracking dogs trained to search for one particular person, have worked every day looking for Kyron, officials said.

Air scent dogs also have been deployed, said Russ Gubele, president of Mountain Wave, an emergency communications and search and rescue group based in Gresham. They're trained to find a human being -- anyone -- in a particular site.

Searchers also have access to cadaver dogs, but Gubele wouldn't say whether any have checked the fields or the school. He also wouldn't say whether dogs have searched the school, but Gates said search teams have checked Skyline extensively several times.

It's not unusual to search the same areas twice or more, Gubele said. "It's good practice to check and recheck," he said, "just in case something was missed, especially in the bad weather and darkness."

Leo Stubenrauch, also from the Jackson County crew, said he became a trained searcher three years ago after he retired. He's looking for anything that might help find Kyron.

"We're looking for any clues -- if he might of dropped his hat or something of that nature," Stubenrauch said. "But mainly we're looking for a live 7-year-old boy."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_searchers_press_o.html

 

[Pensfan]

There are so many if's :

1. IF the teacher was told that he had an appointment, she would not think anything of his backpack being there.

She could have thought that he was coming back later. Since he didn't, she could think that the appointment took longer and he just wasn't coming back that day. Or she could have thought that they just plain forgot it.

The parents look to be very involved and responsible, so the teacher wouldn't worry about it.

2. If the teacher did in fact say that it was no big deal he wasn't in the group. He went to get a drink of water or whatever, then that certainly brings up a whole new set of questions.

I think it was determined earlier that the "appointment statement" was only a rumor.

 

[Reality Orlando]

Honestly, I very much doubt the usefulness of this. Is there any documented case where it has worked? Where a child reported that someone tried to get them to go somewhere, and the child didn't go because the person couldn't give the code word?

The trouble is that children young/immature enough that they can't accurately evaluate an unexpected request to go somewhere with the adult, are also unlikely to remember the code word plan in a real life situation, or are likely to be easily confused into telling the person what the code word is or believing it when the person tells them mommy must have forgotten to tell them the code word because she was upset about the "emergency".

Many years ago, I had my own first-hand experience with the ability of young children to understand and apply lessons about how to deal with potentially dangerous situations. Early one weekend morning, I was walking down my block to go to a nearby convenience store, and saw a very small boy (later confirmed age 5) walking along the sidewalk by himself. I thought it was a little odd, and I didn't recognize him, but wasn't quite worried enough to scare him by approaching and questioning him. A few minutes later, on my way back, I saw him again, walking along the same sidewalk in the opposite direction. That was plenty worrisome enough to stop and ask him if he was lost.

He told me his parents had dropped him off in front of his grandmother's house, as they were rushing his little brother to the emergency room (about 3 blocks away) because he was having an asthma attack. His grandmother was expecting him, but didn't answer the door when he knocked. So I walked him over to his grandmother's house, tried knocking on both the front and back doors, and got no response. Sooooo, I suggested to the little boy that he come with me to my house a little ways down the block, while I called the hospital emergency room to reach his parents. He thought that was a good idea, and seemed relieved to have an adult taking over the situation even it was one he didn't know. So he walked home with me and came in the kitchen door with me, and I got out the phone book, looked up the number and picked up the phone to start dialing. THEN he said, in a tiny scared little boy voice that I'll never forget: "I think I better go outside because I'm not allowed to go in stranger's houses." I told him that was a very good rule, and to go wait on the porch -- but thinking to myself that it obviously would have been way, way too late for this rule to do any good, if I'd actually been the dangerous kind of stranger.

Happy ending: I quickly got his father on the phone at the emergency room, father called the grandmother (who was apparently quite hard of hearing, and just hadn't heard all the knocks at her doors, even though she was expecting the boy), called me back to ask me to walk the boy back over to his grandmother's house, and she was waiting at the door, very apologetic.

So yes, the little fellow remembered what he'd been taught. But not in a way that would done a bit of good if an actual need for it had arisen.

I had secret words for both my kids when they were young and only they and I knew them. If someone wanted them to go with them, they had to write the secret word on a piece of paper (I didn't want it said aloud so others could hear it) and if the word was right they could go with them as that would mean that I had sent that person to get them. I was taken to the emergency room one day from work and I called my friend (who my daughter knew very well) and asked her to go to the school and pick her up. Even though my friend was on my call list, my daughter said she couldn't go with her until she wrote down the secret word, which I had told my friend. So, she wrote it down and showed my daughter who promptly said I can't go with you because that's not the word...turns out my friend wrote it in cursive...and my daughter only recognized it printed. :banghead:

 

[mamaeb]

Was there a report of a jacket or backpack that should be with him?
Every kid has a backpack.

there was a post from someone claiming to be his aunt on this site. her handle was "kittysaunt"

she says the backpack and jacket were in the classroom

http://www.katu.com/news/local/95669809.html#IDComment78668234
http://intensedebate.com/people/KittysAunt

 

[Kimster]

I'm mostly trying to lurk on this case... mainly because I can't come close to keeping up, and also because there's so little hard information to go on that I'm uncomfortable commenting... but wanted to offer a tiny point of info on this bit.

Sun-sensitive eyeglasses won't get darker in the car, much to my chagrin. They're activated by a type of light that is filtered out by the car windows -- the same reason a person won't generally won't get a sunburn in the car, no matter how long they're sitting in it with the sun on them. It's a bummer for those of us who have to wear glasses and operate motor vehicles during the day. So: the kid in the white car doesn't have darkened glasses on, but it doesn't mean they aren't the transition-type lenses, and that alone isn't a reason to eliminate Kyron as the kid in the white car, though there may be other good reasons. :twocents:

Back to lurking for me. As with everyone else, I'm hoping for Kyron's speedy and safe return to his family.

Great observation! :highfive:

 

[scandi]

In answer to a post Clueclan wrote on the last thread, I wanted to impart a bit of positivity about the ongoing search for Kyron.

The SAR searchers and combined LE force from every county in Oregon have joined together in a massive effort unlike I have ever seen before. To work together to find one young boy, Kyron. He has pulled their spirit together with all the expertise they have to work as one gruop, a unit. Now organized and having learned by tragic circumstance, like in the past with Mr Kim's death, with all the missing hikers that get lost at Mr Hood or at the beach, or those people who accidentally drive their cars off the road to where they can't be seen and every situation you could imagine where someone is in peril and needs to be found ASAP ~ they are the finest group of people who are tried and tested and now chompin' at the bit to find this little manchild and bring him back home.

I know they will find him, it is just a matter of working a grid or searching with a plan.

Dedicated yes. Oregon has had more than it's share of sad events to serve as a learning ground to find the lost and missing. I am thankful they are assembled and wish them God Speed in their quest now. I know they will find Kyron and bring him back home. xox

 

[CCup]

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[freefallzzzz]

nothing on Fox 12 news about a meeting "whenever" for parents at Skyline..??