OR - Public health emergency declared over measles anti-vax hotspot near Portland and NY, Jan 2019

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For cancer patients and others with lower immunity, fear of measles has upended daily routines

"Hand-washing is huge, but it's not going to save me from the measles," one leukemia survivor said. "I am freaked out by this."

Yes. This is terrifying for them. People say that they should just stay home if they are that fragile. But they shouldn't HAVE to just stay home! It's not fair that cancer patients should have to fear one of the things that was ELIMINATED. It's just wrong.
 
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Yes, it is. It's also suggested for people who will be around infants as well. This particular L.A. outbreak TERRIFIES me. :( My sister is due NEXT WEEK :p with her 6th child, her first boy.

Her 4th girl was stillborn. I'm absolutely terrified this little boy will get one of these vaccine preventable diseases before he can be vaccinated. Absolutely terrified.




I would be too! Geez. If you have to go back 50 years to make your point... your point might not be very strong. :rolleyes:




Yes. I have had to unfollow or unfriend them. It's just infuriating.

If your sister plans to breastfeed, the baby would have immunity through the breastmilk.

I think the chances are still very, very slim that anyone will catch measles outside of the communities of outbreak.

jmo

edited to add: I'm not a health-care professional, btw, and am not giving medical advice.
 
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If your sister plans to breastfeed, the baby would have immunity through the breastmilk.

I think the chances are still very, very slim that anyone will catch measles outside of the communities of outbreak.

jmo

edited to add: I'm not a health-care professional, btw, and am not giving medical advice.

Can you cite a medical study or similar type of source for the claim that babies have immunity through breast milk? Preferably one that discusses how long the “passive immunity” protects a baby. Considering how serious the measles is, it’s probably best if we back up claims with medical sources.
 
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Apologies for the long article. To summarize, the antibodies that a baby received via breast milk are a different type then the ones that are received from the mother via the placenta. The antibodies received through the placenta do pass on limited (passive) immunity to the baby to things like influenza and measles. The breast milk antibodies are still very important and protect the baby from gastrointestinal issues but not diseases like the measles.

Immunity, breastfeeding, and the timing of measles vaccine
The placenta sends lots of important things to baby—oxygen, nutrition, growth factors, love, and what’s called “passive immunity” via maternal antibodies. These are large molecules, a kind of immunoglobulin called “IgG” which mom had made previously after exposures to diseases or vaccines. Good maternal immunity to things like influenza and measles does provide good protection for their newborns. That’s why it’s important for pregnant women to get flu vaccines, and for all girls to get all of their vaccines—so later, when they’re pregnant, their little babies get protection, too.

But those IgGs from momma, they don’t last so long. The “titers” drop off fairly rapidly, and the protection falls quickly. Best protection probably lasts weeks, with some protection falling off over months. By six months of age, there’s probably no protection from maternal IgGs.

However, there’s still some small amount of IgGs circulating. Though they’re not protective, they can interfere with some kinds of vaccines (especially live, attenuated vaccines like MMR and chicken pox.) That’s why these vaccines are ordinarily given at 12 months of life or later. It’s not dangerous to give them early—it’s just that they probably won’t work as well to provide strong, lasting protection. Maternal IgGs do not interfere with the effectiveness of many other vaccines, like the Hepatitis B, DTaP, polio, and the other vaccines given in the first year of life.

Breastmilk does contain antibodies, but they’re a different kind of antibodies. They’re not the IgG antibodies that circulate in the blood, they’re IgA antibodies that concentrate more in body secretions, including nasal mucus and breast milk. These IgA molecules don’t interfere with vaccines. They provide modest protection against mostly gastrointestinal infections (think diarrhea and vomiting illnesses)—which makes sense, because the breastmilk IgA molecules are swallowed. They don’t make their way into the blood, or at least not very much—like other proteins, if you swallow them they’re mostly torn apart during digestion. Breastmilk IgA provides just a little protection against infections that are caught via the respiratory tract, including the common cold and measles. For instance, a breastfed baby on average statistically will likely get one half of an ear infection fewer in the first year of life. Not a huge impact, at least not in respect to those kinds of infections.
 
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Apologies for the long article. To summarize, the antibodies that a baby received via breast milk are a different type then the ones that are received from the mother via the placenta. The antibodies received through the placenta do pass on limited (passive) immunity to the baby to things like influenza and measles. The breast milk antibodies are still very important and protect the baby from gastrointestinal issues but not diseases like the measles.

Immunity, breastfeeding, and the timing of measles vaccine
The placenta sends lots of important things to baby—oxygen, nutrition, growth factors, love, and what’s called “passive immunity” via maternal antibodies. These are large molecules, a kind of immunoglobulin called “IgG” which mom had made previously after exposures to diseases or vaccines. Good maternal immunity to things like influenza and measles does provide good protection for their newborns. That’s why it’s important for pregnant women to get flu vaccines, and for all girls to get all of their vaccines—so later, when they’re pregnant, their little babies get protection, too.

But those IgGs from momma, they don’t last so long. The “titers” drop off fairly rapidly, and the protection falls quickly. Best protection probably lasts weeks, with some protection falling off over months. By six months of age, there’s probably no protection from maternal IgGs.

However, there’s still some small amount of IgGs circulating. Though they’re not protective, they can interfere with some kinds of vaccines (especially live, attenuated vaccines like MMR and chicken pox.) That’s why these vaccines are ordinarily given at 12 months of life or later. It’s not dangerous to give them early—it’s just that they probably won’t work as well to provide strong, lasting protection. Maternal IgGs do not interfere with the effectiveness of many other vaccines, like the Hepatitis B, DTaP, polio, and the other vaccines given in the first year of life.

Breastmilk does contain antibodies, but they’re a different kind of antibodies. They’re not the IgG antibodies that circulate in the blood, they’re IgA antibodies that concentrate more in body secretions, including nasal mucus and breast milk. These IgA molecules don’t interfere with vaccines. They provide modest protection against mostly gastrointestinal infections (think diarrhea and vomiting illnesses)—which makes sense, because the breastmilk IgA molecules are swallowed. They don’t make their way into the blood, or at least not very much—like other proteins, if you swallow them they’re mostly torn apart during digestion. Breastmilk IgA provides just a little protection against infections that are caught via the respiratory tract, including the common cold and measles. For instance, a breastfed baby on average statistically will likely get one half of an ear infection fewer in the first year of life. Not a huge impact, at least not in respect to those kinds of infections.

Thank you. This is in line with the sources I read as well.

So a tl;dr is that breastfeeding does not make a baby immune to the measles.
 
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I talked to my Mother about this, she never had measles! I am not sure if she is vaccinated or not. I told her to get a booster shot.
She can also have a blood test called a titer. It will identify the level of antibody's in your moms blood.
 
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She can also have a blood test called a titer. It will identify the level of antibody's in your moms blood.

On Medicare, the shot is free, the test costs money.
 
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For cancer patients and others with lower immunity, fear of measles has upended daily routines

"Hand-washing is huge, but it's not going to save me from the measles," one leukemia survivor said. "I am freaked out by this."
I had read this article already and I’m glad to see you posted it. Of all the things a patient has to deal with while they’re fighting to stay alive, the last thing they need is someone standing on their soapbox proclaiming their right to not vaccinate. Unfortunately, they’re simply too ignorant to understand that in reality, they’re committing to maim, and possibly murder, another human being. I’m waiting for the first lawsuit to be filed against an anti-vax parent who’s kid infected someone. I predict it will race to the top of the Supreme Courts case list.
 
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Despite Measles Warnings, Anti-Vaccine Rally Draws Hundreds of Ultra-Orthodox Jews

The thinking, or rather lack thereof, is so impossibly flawed. Ultra orthodox Jewish people believe that the measles outbreak has been a plot of "Anti-semitism".

Rather than point fingers and blame others, wouldn't it be a better plan to just vaccinate children? Do they want their children to be at risk?
BBM. Most orthodox Jews do not believe this. This is a recent trend being promoted by a small number of people. Judaism does NOT support anti-vax agendas. I do not like the way that the New York Times has written this article to blame Judaism as a whole. That is really unfair and dishonest.
 
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If your sister plans to breastfeed, the baby would have immunity through the breastmilk.

I think the chances are still very, very slim that anyone will catch measles outside of the communities of outbreak.

jmo

edited to add: I'm not a health-care professional, btw, and am not giving medical advice.

Oh she is an absolutely expert on it, no worries there. We breastfeed until the child decides to wean. Or there is some other compelling reason to do so.

It really is amazing, the mother's body makes antibodies based on what the specific child needs. So if they are beginning to get sick, the milk is tailored to fight that specific illness.

We also home school so really the risk is low for her. It's just makes me angry it's even a concern at all.


https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-understand-color-office.pdf

It's not bad batches of vaccines that make some immunized people susceptible to measles.
A small percentage of people just don't develop enough antibodies after getting their vaccine for the vaccine to protect them. The is why herd immunity is important.

Yes. My oldest got the varicella vaccine when she shouldn't have, got the chicken pox from it, spent a week in the hospital and STILL didn't have immunity. :rolleyes:
 
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