OR OR - Stephanie Warner, 43, Ruch, 4 Jul 2013 - #2

[Lilibet]

I just amended my signature to include links to Stephanie's threads. Hopefully, when I pop in on other threads, it will encourage WSers to come over here and help out. Join me?

 

[Dicentra]

Where is Stephanie's cell phone? That has never been answered? Dicentra have you ever heard anything about her cell phone?

Stephanie's cell phone; her girlie backpack (small black pack that a woman slings over one shoulder); the remote she kept on the visor of her SUV; her small makeup bag (always kept in her small pack); glasses & glasses case and her wallet (also kept in the small pack) are all missing.

Her SUV keys and her "to-do" list (items that she NEVER left behind), were carefully placed on her breakfast bar.

I checked the fridge and found that the medication she'd reced from the vet on July 2nd was absent two doses; that would have put the last dose given on July 3rd. The cats were very precious to Steph; her babies. She wouldn't have missed a dose of medication. She wouldn't have just "walked away" and left them, especially when one of them wasn't well.

We listened to the phone message machine. Sandwiched between my ever-more-worried calls were calls by POI's son. "Dad, Steph, WHERE ARE YOU? I'm getting worried about you! Where are you?" He left two of these messages. Strange that these were the messages that he left, when during our drive up to "camp" to see if Stephanie was with his father (the next day), he told me that he KNEW that Stephanie was with JD; that she'd told POI she was going to see JD after they'd had a small disagreement, and that he'd spoken to his father the night of the 4th, "right before dad went out of cell range on his way to camp, he called me to let me know he'd be down in a few days and if I hadn't heard from him, I should go get him, or send up one of our friends to bring him down, as he had gotten a ride up the mountain with Bubbles the afternoon of the 4th." If son knew Stephanie was going to see JD and that his dad was going up to "camp to pray" why would he be leaving messages on Stephanie's answering machine, "worried" about her?

I just pray that the LE took my directive and recorded the messages off that answering machine! This is just the TIP of the iceberg people!

 

[Lilibet]

I've skirted around these notions in the past, stating considerations but not going any further out of one sort of fear or another. I'm no longer afraid to state my opinion: I have several theories about why this case has gone the way it has. The one that keeps rising to the top is the one where the case was set to to go cold from the very start....
It plays out like this: The Detectives learn that Stephanie is missing. They are almost immediately certain that foul play was involved/that Stephanie has been murdered. They have a suspect but not enough evidence to officially call him that. The suspect has had several days of a head start on the investigation and is known to be an expert on the vast, read: unsearchable, forests in the area. Knowing that cases are piling up on the already over charged and understaffed office, the suspect has had time to destroy pertinent evidence and and that is is highly unlikely a body will be found, the detectives keep the family quiet and the press to a minimum in the hopes that the case will quietly go cold.

I hope everyday that this theory is proven completely untrue. With every fibre of my being I want to believe that Dt Henderson and JCSO have done everything in their power to find Stephanie.

I understand how you feel OUOTP. I've dipped my toe into this theory myself and I don't want to believe it any more than you do. I think what keeps me from allowing myself to go in this direction is that a cynical attitude toward LE takes me too close to what Lennie Ames believes and promotes. I don't want to be affected by even a trace of that extremist poison.

So I will keep believing that there are things going on behind the LE scenes that we can't know about. That doesn't mean I wear rose colored glasses and live in Pollyanna la-la land. I don't like a lot of things about the way this case has gone, and of course police run the gamut of human behavior. But I think we all know who the real bad guy is here. I look forward to the day when that truth prevails. In the meantime, I will keep sleuthing with y'all and keep hoping for the break we all want.

 

[Sad Eyes]

Dicentra I don't know how in the world you are coping with all this! I can't believe that LE could not put together a case with circumstantial evidence. There seems to be a lot of it!

Why has the media not questioned LE? It just don't make sense.

Surely they had to get cell phone pings!!!!!!

LE needs to give another press release. Please let the public know something/anything!

Monday will be 4 months!!!!!! It is unbelievable that the media in OR isn't all over this case!! This is so frustrating! Please news stations if you are reading this, please do a follow up story on this case!

 

[OUOTP]

Murderers have been tried and results have been successful without a body. What about civil suits? Am I wrong to think that there is enough evidence for a Wrongful Death suit?

From the link below: "Oregon wrongful death laws can seem complicated, and many questions arise in a wrongful death case, which is a civil lawsuit, as opposed to a murder case, which is a criminal action. In the famous O.J. Simpson case, he was found not guilty in the murder trial, but was held liable in the civil, wrongful death case. One of the reasons this was possible is because a criminal murder charge must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, whereas Oregon wrongful death claims simply need to show by a “preponderance of the evidence” that the defendant was more likely than not to have caused the death"


http://www.portlandpersonalinjuryaccidentlawyer.com/practice_areas/wrongful-death/faqs-death-claims/

 

[OUOTP]

Here is an example of a successful Wrongful Death suit in which the decedents body was never found : http://www.monett-times.com/story/1988857.html

 

[Sad Eyes]

Stephanie's cell phone; her girlie backpack (small black pack that a woman slings over one shoulder); the remote she kept on the visor of her SUV; her small makeup bag (always kept in her small pack); glasses & glasses case and her wallet (also kept in the small pack) are all missing.

Her SUV keys and her "to-do" list (items that she NEVER left behind), were carefully placed on her breakfast bar.

I checked the fridge and found that the medication she'd reced from the vet on July 2nd was absent two doses; that would have put the last dose given on July 3rd. The cats were very precious to Steph; her babies. She wouldn't have missed a dose of medication. She wouldn't have just "walked away" and left them, especially when one of them wasn't well.

We listened to the phone message machine. Sandwiched between my ever-more-worried calls were calls by POI's son. "Dad, Steph, WHERE ARE YOU? I'm getting worried about you! Where are you?" He left two of these messages. Strange that these were the messages that he left, when during our drive up to "camp" to see if Stephanie was with his father (the next day), he told me that he KNEW that Stephanie was with JD; that she'd told POI she was going to see JD after they'd had a small disagreement, and that he'd spoken to his father the night of the 4th, "right before dad went out of cell range on his way to camp, he called me to let me know he'd be down in a few days and if I hadn't heard from him, I should go get him, or send up one of our friends to bring him down, as he had gotten a ride up the mountain with Bubbles the afternoon of the 4th." If son knew Stephanie was going to see JD and that his dad was going up to "camp to pray" why would he be leaving messages on Stephanie's answering machine, "worried" about her?

I just pray that the LE took my directive and recorded the messages off that answering machine! This is just the TIP of the iceberg people!

I am a little confused (more like terribly confused), why did YOU take the son to the "camp" to look for Stephanie? Why didn't LE do that? Seems to me, you were putting yourself in a dangerous situation! For timetable purposes, what day/date did you drive him to the camp? And who the heck is BUBBLES? That's a new one!

 

[Sad Eyes]

Here is an example of a successful Wrongful Death suit in which the decedents body was never found : http://www.monett-times.com/story/1988857.html

Good sleuthing OUOTP. This was very interesting. Especially the similarities of this case to that one! Like the boyfriend moving into the house! Hopefully a criminal case will be sought on Stephanie's case before a civil one.

 

[Dicentra]

At the time, I was praying like crazy that Stephanie would be at "camp." It took me an entire day to track down son; went through Jackson County Fuel Committee - Bill's daughter recalled the house where son and GF/Wife were living. I begged him to get me that address, which he did the next morning. I was frantic; I really couldn't conceive that something could have REALLY happened to our Steph, and when I called the police, the officer I spoke with told me that I needed to "do due diligence" and make sure she wasn't at camp, BEFORE they opened a missing person's case. She took all the information I had and told me that 99% of people are found or return. I am generally a positive, happy person and I just couldn't believe that something REALLY horrible could have happened to Stephanie. After I retrieved the son from his Ashland residence, I drove to the gas station my son-in-law manages and told him where I was going and that I'd be OUT of cell range and that I wanted him to call the police if I didn't call him in 2 hours.

I agree, there MUST be cell phone "pings."

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[believe09]

I don't know about Gas, but we did GPS Stephanie's last known whereabouts, starting from the parade route: we GPS'ed the Store she stopped at first (spoke with the owner who said LE had previously been there and watched taped footage), she also said she remembered Stephanie being at the store and that she did purchase some items, but couldn't recall what specific items were purchased, due to the fact the 4th was so busy. The owner stated she thought Stephanie had been there late in the afternoon, but she couldn't give me an exact time. We also GPS'd Steph's house, the Ruch store and several other locations we were told might be helpful in finding Stephanie.

Hi Dicentra-I have been lurking on this case. May I ask what method you used to GPS Stephanie's whereabouts? Thank you so much in advance for your answer.

 

[OUOTP]

I agree, there MUST be cell phone "pings."

Dicentra, can you tell us with as much detail as you recall, what type/brand of cel phone Steph had? When she got it? Her carrier?

I know that sounds like an impossible set of questions but you spent time together so I'm hoping maybe you know.

With enough info, there is a chance we can sleuth the pings ourselves...

 

[Dicentra]

Hi Dicentra-I have been lurking on this case. May I ask what method you used to GPS Stephanie's whereabouts? Thank you so much in advance for your answer.

Firstly, I want to THANK YOU for joining us, believe!

I used a system a WSer told me to use on my iphone-5S.

 

[Dicentra]

Dicentra, can you tell us with as much detail as you recall, what type/brand of cel phone Steph had? When she got it? Her carrier?

I know that sounds like an impossible set of questions but you spent time together so I'm hoping maybe you know.

With enough info, there is a chance we can sleuth the pings ourselves...

I don't have this information, but I believe I know someone who does, I'll see if I can get it from them.

 

[Dicentra]

I am a little confused (more like terribly confused), why did YOU take the son to the "camp" to look for Stephanie? Why didn't LE do that? Seems to me, you were putting yourself in a dangerous situation! For timetable purposes, what day/date did you drive him to the camp? And who the heck is BUBBLES? That's a new one!

I took son to POI's "camp" MONDAY, July 8th, 2013.

 

[believe09]

Firstly, I want to THANK YOU for joining us, believe!

I used a system a WSer told me to use on my iphone-5S.

thank you for your response. Did you use her cell phone number as the device with the GPS? Did she maybe have Onstar or something like that? If you cant answer on the open board, I completely respect that.

 

[Dicentra]

thank you for your response. Did you use her cell phone number as the device with the GPS? Did she maybe have Onstar or something like that? If you cant answer on the open board, I completely respect that.

Her cell phone disappeared when she did. I used my own iphone to GPS.

 

[believe09]

I am still a little confused Dicentra-please forgive me. Were you determining her path based upon an electronic device of hers or via a map of some kind?

When I think GPS, I think of a device that emits a signal to a satellite which translates itself into a physical location. For example, a cell phone ping from her phone triangulates between cell phone towers and narrows down a physical location.

So I am trying to figure out if you used a mapping program like Google Earth or if you had some kind of object of hers you were utilizing for your tracking.

 

[Lilibet]

I'm confused too, believe09 and Dicentra, so I've pasted Dicentra's post below believe09's questions. A GPS basically tells you how to get somewhere. It sounds instead like you were using a program of some kind to determine Stephanie's route. Did you dial her phone number into a program on your iPhone to do this or what? Sleuthing minds need to know!

My questions are:
How did you know about the store she stopped at? It sounds like you had a way to track that, unless Ames told you. And again, where was it, so we can examine roads off the route she took from there to Ruch?

Why would you GPS Stephanie's house and the Ruch Market, since you know where they are? Again, it sounds like you were tracking the route her car took somehow.

It sounds like you had a way to track her route, and when you use the term GPS, we get confused. If you had a way to track her car, she should have been found. Help! And thanks!

BBM

I am still a little confused Dicentra-please forgive me. Were you determining her path based upon an electronic device of hers or via a map of some kind?

When I think GPS, I think of a device that emits a signal to a satellite which translates itself into a physical location. For example, a cell phone ping from her phone triangulates between cell phone towers and narrows down a physical location.

So I am trying to figure out if you used a mapping program like Google Earth or if you had some kind of object of hers you were utilizing for your tracking.

#154
10-26-2013, 10:22 PM
Dicentra
Verified insider - Stephanie Warner case

Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 45
I don't know about Gas, but we did GPS Stephanie's last known whereabouts, starting from the parade route: we GPS'ed the Store she stopped at first (spoke with the owner who said LE had previously been there and watched taped footage), she also said she remembered Stephanie being at the store and that she did purchase some items, but couldn't recall what specific items were purchased, due to the fact the 4th was so busy. The owner stated she thought Stephanie had been there late in the afternoon, but she couldn't give me an exact time. We also GPS'd Steph's house, the Ruch store and several other locations we were told might be helpful in finding Stephanie.

 

[Lilibet]

Dicentra, I'm interested to know what you did with Ames and son after you brought them back to Ruch from Ames camp. Did you go to Stephanie's with them? Did the sheriff come? Where did they go when you went home?

Also, had the house been left open from July 7 when you were there until the LE came? Did you treat it as a crime scene (i.e. not touch anything). Could anyone have entered after you were there July 7 before you took son to camp to get Ames? Ames has claimed that jewelry and also photos of her former bf were missing on July 8. Did you notice that? Or did he say anything about that?

Thanks so much for your patience answering these many questions. I know it's hard. Hugs!

 

[zwiebel]

Does anyone know if Stephanie would walk distances in the area around her home, or did she tend to drive to a favorite spot, and then walk around there? I'm almost certain the answer is the former, but thought I'd better ask.