OR OR - Stephanie Warner, 43, Ruch, 4 Jul 2013 - #2

[zwiebel]

It looks as though at least some hunting goes on until Dec/Jan.

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/hunting/seasons.asp

 

[Lilibet]

Man arrested for DA office bombing in Medford. Alan Leroy McVay, 46, was arrested at a pizza parlor in nearby White City. He appeared in court today. Has a long criminal record since 1989. Current additional charges include meth, burglary, felon in possession of a firearm.

Childhood friend says he comes from a "great family". He's a "good guy." She'd let him stay at her house if he gets out of jail. This is "totally out of character." Whatever...

Links later.

ETA: http://www.ktvl.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/ktvl_vid_10139.shtml

http://www.kobi5.com/news/local-new...ars-in-court-has-lengthy-criminal-record.html

http://m.kdrv.com/kdrv/db_287828/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=76BzWEOG

 

[Sad Eyes]

Now that behaviour is contradictory, if you ask me.

Neither Lennie Ames or his son bothered to report Stephanie missing, but then son starts activating for repeated searches of ex-boyfriend's property? But maybe he and his father had searched everywhere else they could think of by then, so that was the last option?

How many searches has Lennie Ames - current boyfriend at the time Stephanie went missing - organised, by the way?

If Stephanie was happily living as a neighbour of her ex, it tells me they didn't have any problems with each other. I would be rather interested to know if Mr Ames had any issues with the ex though.......he strikes me as the type who would. A bit insecure.

From what I have seen on videos and from what was listed back on thread one, my understanding is POI did not organize nor did he participate in any searches that were conducted. As far as POI's son, I have not seen anything one way or the other if he participated in searches. Maybe Dicentra could let us know if he did.

 

[Sad Eyes]

Man arrested for DA office bombing in Medford. Alan Leroy McVay, 46, was arrested at a pizza parlor in nearby White City. He appeared in court today. Has a long criminal record since 1989. Current additional charges include meth, burglary, felon in possession of a firearm.

Childhood friend says he comes from a "great family". He's a "good guy." She'd let him stay at her house if he gets out of jail. This is "totally out of character." Whatever...

Links later.

That was QUICK! Do you know what station carried it on the news?

I think my definition of "good guy" differs from hers! Incredible!

 

[Sad Eyes]

It's useful to know that. Sometimes very revealing info turns up on social media, even if we can't discuss it. I suspect if Stephanie had left a trail though, it might have disappeared anyway.

Never mind. We'll have to settle for the other trails we've got. There's plenty of them. Too many, I'm tempted to say.

Hope you are keeping well Dicentra. It's nice to see you here again.

If Stephanie did leave a trail on social media & it was removed it still can be found by the crime lab that has her computer. Hopefully they were able to get info off her computer.

 

[Lilibet]

That was QUICK! Do you know what station carried it on the news?

I think my definition of "good guy" differs from hers! Incredible!

LOL. That's for sure!

I've added the links to my post now. It was on every station. I was posting as I watched KOBI.

LE said tips from the community helped. He was scheduled to be tried for previous charges this week!

 

[Sad Eyes]

LOL. That's for sure!

I've added the links to my post now. It was on every station. I was posting as I watched KOBI.

LE said tips from the community helped. He was scheduled to be tried for previous charges this week!

Thank you for the link. Glad to see they made a $5 million bond on him. I don't think he's going anywhere too soon. I can't believe that family members of his said that he was homeless. I guess I must be living in a dream world, I just assumed homeless people had NO family to turn to. I could never let a family member or even a friend live on the street.

The news said a niece said that "he had fallen in with a BAD CROWD and had been using drugs".
I wonder who this bad crowd was? They seem to think he acted alone.

Tips from the community!!! I sure wish whoever knows what happened to Stephanie would Speak Up!

 

[Lilibet]

Thank you for the link. Glad to see they made a $5 million bond on him. I don't think he's going anywhere too soon. I can't believe that family members of his said that he was homeless. I guess I must be living in a dream world, I just assumed homeless people had NO family to turn to. I could never let a family member or even a friend live on the street.

The news said a niece said that "he had fallen in with a BAD CROWD and had been using drugs".
I wonder who this bad crowd was? They seem to think he acted alone.

Tips from the community!!! I sure wish whoever knows what happened to Stephanie would Speak Up!

BBM

I thought it was interesting that the high bail is because he knows people who have money. Drug dealers? Family?

You probably are living in a "dream world", Sad Eyes. It's a jungle out there. There are many reasons to be homeless. Many do have family, but you can't force someone to live with you. They are often mentally ill and it's very hard to get treatment for an adult. If a family member or a friend is an addict, especially to meth, you don't even want them to know where you live! You can't fix an addict. It's heartbreaking for family, but they just have to let go in order to let the addict find their way to recovery without destroying everyone around them. My Dad was an active alcoholic until his mid-60's. Addiction is awful for everyone concerned.

This guy may very well come from a great family. Where he grew up, Sams Valley, is a rural area with lots of horses, etc. But meth has touched every area of this valley. People refer to Medford as Methford. He probably was a "good guy" before drugs took over. I imagine that's the "bad crowd" he runs with. I wouldn't be surprised if he had some help with this. He was arrested for the burglary charges with his girlfriend.

I wish someone would speak up about Stephanie too. Some of the tips LE got on the bombing didn't pan out, but they appreciate everything. They can't be everywhere.

 

[zwiebel]

Gosh. I missed a lot.

I am glad Police think they have caught the bomber, as bombs are really not very nice. I've been caught up in two myself. It's all very well leaving a bomb somewhere in the early hours, when 'nobody' is about.....but try going to work there in the morning, walking past fire damage and shattered glass, thinking the same person could plant another one at any time. Horrible feeling.

I hope the best friend helps the suspect to give up meth and stop doing things that might land him in prison if she really cares. Both are dangerous, in my opinion.

I am glad an arrest has been made, myself. No distractions from the search for Stephanie Warner now.

Where are you, Stephanie? A lot of people who love you need to know, and aren't going away until they do.

 

[zwiebel]

In Alabama there is a journalist called Andrew Perez who has pursued an almost unreportable story about a missing teenage Mom, with unbelievable dedication and determination.

Over a year since she disappeared, her story has gone from voluntary missing with no searches or alerts, to arrests, computers being seized, letters being released, and a full scale alert and searches, as well as police looking at her case as a possible homicide now. Much of that is due to Andrew Perez of Fox news and the publicity he has generated. He is probably going to end up with awards for what he's done. This is the kind of dedicated journalist we need to take up Stephanie's cause.

 

[Lilibet]

In Alabama there is a journalist called Andrew Perez who has pursued an almost unreportable story about a missing teenage Mom, with unbelievable dedication and determination.

Over a year since she disappeared, her story has gone from voluntary missing with no searches or alerts, to arrests, computers being seized, letters being released, and a full scale alert and searches, as well as police looking at her case as a possible homicide now. Much of that is due to Andrew Perez of Fox news and the publicity he has generated. He is probably going to end up with awards for what he's done. This is the kind of dedicated journalist we need to take up Stephanie's cause.

Well, aren't we on the same track, Zwiebel! Tonight, before I read this, I sent a message to a nationally known MSM crime and missing persons journalist/blogger asking for help with Stephanie's case. (NOT Chelsea Hoffman!). Let's hope there is a response.

I think the time has come. If anyone else has any contacts or bright ideas about journalists, go for it!

 

[OUOTP]

I took a couple of days break to come back and find out that a "good guy" bombed the DA's office... Wow! We live in a crazy country!

Your posts made me think... I was homeless for 3 1/2 months after my life exploded. I was at the point where I just didn't want to be around anyone who wanted to "talk about it". I CHOSE to live in a shelter because I wanted to come back to NYC and I didn't want to ride any ones wave when I got here.
In retrospect, I am so glad I did this because not only was I able to pick my life up in a marvelous way, but because of the education I received there...
There are many reasons woman become homeless...
Believe it or not, I met more than a few woman whose lives had not exploded but had left by choice. In a maybe two instances, they left because they were certifiably nuts. In all the rest, it was because those women decided they loved being alive more than they loved the person back home who came a little too close to taking their lives from them.
I guess that's why I got SO excited when I thought it might be possible for Stephanie to be up in Longview pushing a cart!
In my mind, for a few days, the possibility of her being up there made perfect sense....

 

[zwiebel]

Yes, that would be the best scenario. But there are her animals though - would Stephanie really have fled, knowing how her boyfriend would be likely to 'care' for them? Or not phoned someone she knew, to go get them for her?

My own, dreadful feeling is that Stephanie was just forming an inkling of the danger she might be in, but she did not quite get there in time. What happened to her July 4th came out of nowhere and she just didn't see it coming, in my opinion. Who would? If it was easy to reognise a killer, few people would ever be killed.

She'd seen something, at some time - maybe gradually - that had set off warning bells. I think she may even have come to a decision that day, and possibly died because she acted upon it.

 

[Lilibet]

Thanks so much for sharing your story, OUOTP. I think the experiences each of us have had bring a unique perspective to WS that helps with our sleuthing. And we open each other's minds to the different reasons people do things. :tyou:

I took a couple of days break to come back and find out that a "good guy" bombed the DA's office... Wow! We live in a crazy country!

Your posts made me think... I was homeless for 3 1/2 months after my life exploded. I was at the point where I just didn't want to be around anyone who wanted to "talk about it". I CHOSE to live in a shelter because I wanted to come back to NYC and I didn't want to ride any ones wave when I got here.
In retrospect, I am so glad I did this because not only was I able to pick my life up in a marvelous way, but because of the education I received there...
There are many reasons woman become homeless...
Believe it or not, I met more than a few woman whose lives had not exploded but had left by choice. In a maybe two instances, they left because they were certifiably nuts. In all the rest, it was because those women decided they loved being alive more than they loved the person back home who came a little too close to taking their lives from them.
I guess that's why I got SO excited when I thought it might be possible for Stephanie to be up in Longview pushing a cart!
In my mind, for a few days, the possibility of her being up there made perfect sense....

 

[Lilibet]

Yes, that would be the best scenario. But there are her animals though - would Stephanie really have fled, knowing how her boyfriend would be likely to 'care' for them? Or not phoned someone she knew, to go get them for her?

My own, dreadful feeling is that Stephanie was just forming an inkling of the danger she might be in, but she did not quite get there in time. What happened to her July 4th came out of nowhere and she just didn't see it coming, in my opinion. Who would? If it was easy to reognise a killer, few people would ever be killed.

She'd seen something, at some time - maybe gradually - that had set off warning bells. I think she may even have come to a decision that day, and possibly died because she acted upon it.

BBM

I agree. Well said.

Stephanie may not have understood or trusted her subtle instincts or known what to do with them. If she had made a decision that day, she likely didn't know how to carry it out safely.

I'll say it again..."The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker is a must read (I just wish he'd had a better editor. There's a lot to wade through.).

 

[zwiebel]

I'm wading through this at the moment, but de Be ker's bookis next on my list!

http://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/the-psychopath-as-self-proclaimed-maverick/

 

[Lilibet]

I'm wading through this at the moment, but de Be ker's bookis next on my list!

http://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/the-psychopath-as-self-proclaimed-maverick/

Quoting from your link, keeping its bolding. Chilling. Poor Stephanie.

Psychopaths are Losers who view themselves as Leaders. As we’ve seen, unless there’s a specific advantage for him, a psychopath never admits to being wrong, to doing wrong, to having wronged anyone. Whatever he does wrong to others–cheating, lying, manipulation, hurting them emotionally and physically–he manages to project blame on the victims and on those around them. In fact, the psychopath will see his cowardly actions as superior; on a higher plane of existence than the rest of humanity. Rather than seeing himself as the pathological person that he is–essentially, a Loser who spends his life parasitically using and taking advantage of others–the psychopath is likely to see and describe himself as a maverick: a lone dissenter, a willfully independent hero “ahead of the pack,” who rejects the dated and commonplace notions of right and wrong and of truth and falsehood. Ethical human beings, who care about others, are considered by the psychopath and his followers “moralistic” and “narrow-minded”.

 

[La Louve]

Quoting from your link, keeping its bolding. Chilling. Poor Stephanie.

Psychopaths are Losers who view themselves as Leaders. As we’ve seen, unless there’s a specific advantage for him, a psychopath never admits to being wrong, to doing wrong, to having wronged anyone. Whatever he does wrong to others–cheating, lying, manipulation, hurting them emotionally and physically–he manages to project blame on the victims and on those around them. In fact, the psychopath will see his cowardly actions as superior; on a higher plane of existence than the rest of humanity. Rather than seeing himself as the pathological person that he is–essentially, a Loser who spends his life parasitically using and taking advantage of others–the psychopath is likely to see and describe himself as a maverick: a lone dissenter, a willfully independent hero “ahead of the pack,” who rejects the dated and commonplace notions of right and wrong and of truth and falsehood. Ethical human beings, who care about others, are considered by the psychopath and his followers “moralistic” and “narrow-minded”.

UGH...that hits close to home for me. I got chills reading it.

"The most dangerous time for a woman who is being abused is when she tries to leave." (United States Department of Justice, National Crime Victim Survey, 1995).

If there indeed was an argument/fight between Stephanie and the POI on the 4th, I wonder if she was coming out of her fog and seeing him for who he really is and realized she had to get him out of her life. As he seems to fancy himself an expert and in the know, I can imagine that Stephanie asserting herself may have threatened his fragile sense of masculinity and control.

Thinking of you, Stephanie.:rose:

 

[Dicentra]

I am getting ready for a "thanksgiving" feast. My two daughter's and their babies & husbands will be at my home (we don't REALLY celebrate a traditional "thanksgiving") it's just another excuse to get together. I cook, we all eat and discuss what we are "THANKFUL" FOR. I am thankful for YOU WS'ers, truly.

I have been crying all day. Cooking and crying; Steph would have laughed at me. She would have cleaned out my fridge, eaten everything. and she would have laughed.

My little Sissy won't be joining us for our family celebration as she did last year. My son cried for his Auntie again tonight. I held him while we BOTH cried. Nothing has been the same since she was TAKEN FROM US, July 4th.

This is for you, POI. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell us where she is. My son needs to know. He cries for her. He misses her. You KNOW how much she meant to him and to me and to my mama and to her Mama. PLEASE let us know where she is so that we may have some sort of "closure." If you have a heart, please, please, please tell us where she is! It is winter and she wants to be "found." I am begging you. Please.

I put the garden and our greenhouse to "bed" today. No Sissy. It was quiet. No laughter; the air was clean and sharp and empty of her laughter. My heart aches. How long does this go on? I HATE THIS! I WANT HER BODY FOUND so we can find closure.

Know that a little boy who loved his aunty Steph is depending on you.

Know that I am grateful that you WS people with loving, compassionate, caring hearts are here!

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

 

[Dicentra]

From what I have seen on videos and from what was listed back on thread one, my understanding is POI did not organize nor did he participate in any searches that were conducted. As far as POI's son, I have not seen anything one way or the other if he participated in searches. Maybe Dicentra could let us know if he did.

Neither POI or her son organized or participated in ANY searches for Steph.