GUILTY OR - Whitney Heichel, 21, Gresham, 16 Oct 2012 #5

[PoirotryInMotion]

"On Wednesday, searchers scoured Dodge Park, moving from the river banks to the brush. By the side of the road investigators marked, examined and documented tire tracks in the mud...They also marked areas with red tape where they found broken window glass."
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Poli...park-for-missing-Gresham-woman-174660661.html

Glass was also found at Dodge Park on Wednesday.

Thanks, Boodles. *adds to timeline*

It's still curious, then, why glass was at Dodge Park and on the mountain but not where the shooting was said to have occurred.

 

[Xavier]

"On Wednesday, searchers scoured Dodge Park, moving from the river banks to the brush. By the side of the road investigators marked, examined and documented tire tracks in the mud...They also marked areas with red tape where they found broken window glass."
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Poli...park-for-missing-Gresham-woman-174660661.html

Glass was also found at Dodge Park on Wednesday.

Well done Boodles, Well done!!

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Amazing. You all are really using the evidence in the doc. to coalesce a pretty tight theory.

Here are just a couple of things to throw in to the general mix....

Could it be possible that JH did not start out intending to kill Whitney?

I think so. (But I'm not convinced he even killed her, so I guess I'm no help.)

What we do know is that his mind was heavily steeped in the world. I am thinking I should google some facts about . I am betting that and violence are common themes that run together. Is that right?

Some forms of are linked to violence. But...we don't really 'know' that his mind was heavily steeped in . The evidence concerning what is on his computers--and how it got there--will take awhile to gather, possibly several months.

Looking at just the facts, here is what we 'know':

• JH's computer equipment disappeared somehow that Tuesday AM. At least he didn't appear to come home with it when he was found walking by the Judds (who brought him home 2 hours later); he told Amanda 9:00 when he arrived home that night his laptops, etc., had been stolen. She gives no indication to LE that he, in fact, came home with it all or had it on him. And the search warrant of his apt executed on Thursday only turns up Amanda's computer, not his.

*In fact, AH is concerned enough to call AT&T, and cancels his cell phone line when it's discovered to have had data activity on it at 7 AM (he reportedly was robbed at 6 AM). JH says last usage he made on it was Monday when he called Amanda to pick her up from work.

BUT...if JH had truly been using Clint's old cellphone (confessed as stolen), why wasn't that the one in his backpack that was reportedly stolen Tuesday? Why does that turn up at the crime scene Friday?

See pdf, p. 31:

The Robbery Story: (interviewed by Harrington & Rhodes)

*If robbers had made off with everything valuable in his backpack, they'd have made off with the 2 guns which he suddenly 'confessed' to Friday as having packed in his backpack that morning. But...then the shooting he also confessed to couldn't have happened, as the guns he supposedly packed for it would have been stolen--he said only cable cords, and other non-expensive stuff was left in the backpack. Either Wednesday's robbery story is bogus, or Friday's confession to having packed two guns in his backpack Tuesday morning and having shot WH is bogus. Or, all are bogus.

What's not as clear is why he suddenly offered up the and stolen iPhone stories on his 3rd interview Friday (and led them to the place where that iPhone would be found at the end of the 6-hr. interview). If he's going to randomly confess to on his computers, why not bring them in with him that day and turn them in? Why leave the backpack, which has mysteriously turned up, in his car? (The backpack was seized during search warrant executed during his long, 6-hour, 3rd interview Friday.)

What accounts for the "stains" on the hood of the car? Most of them being round. My immediate thought was the back of someones head. Was the body placed on the hood after death? If so, why? Was that a resting place while the murderer tried to decide what to do next?

Don't know...possibly she was placed on the hood while the "clean up" was being taken care of?

I am still not convinced that there was actually sodomy. <snipped for space>

Neither am I. The only 'convincing' crime I'm seeing so far is a brutal execution of a beautiful girl.

 

[Xavier]

Amazing. You all are really using the evidence in the doc. to coalesce a pretty tight theory.

Here are just a couple of things to throw in to the general mix....

Could it be possible that JH did not start out intending to kill Whitney?

We know it ended up that way but that does not mean that he started out with that in mind. What we do know is that his mind was heavily steeped in the world. I am thinking I should google some facts about . I am betting that and violence are common themes that run together. Is that right?

What accounts for the "stains" on the hood of the car? Most of them being round. My immediate thought was the back of someones head. Was the body placed on the hood after death? If so, why? Was that a resting place while the murderer tried to decide what to do next?

and lastly,

I am still not convinced that there was actually sodomy. NOT that JH didnt intend that and more than likely a WHOLE lot more. I mean what teaches is that anything and everything is the norm, right? If you are going to go to all the trouble to kidnap someone (at least we know that part WAS premeditated) why would you not plan to make it worth your while? Fulfill ALL your fueled fantasies?

One answer to that might be if JH wasnt just bent on acting out a scenario. What if he had a more romantic slant on things. He was unhappy in his marriage and work. What if he felt attracted to this happy bubbly girl on the periphery of his world? What if she quickly became the center of his mental world and that and his delusions made him think if he could just get her "away" he could act on his mental ideas?

Actually the more I type that last one out, the less likely it seems. It would seem that if you have to take a gun to get someone alone with you, then you are acknowledging on some level that you know you are having to "make them" cooperate.

Whatever the case, I am leaning towards thinking that he didnt intend for it to end up like it did. I think something went wrong. Either she tried to get away or tried to get the gun and things happened in the blink of an eye. I think he was scared and shocked and felt sorry for himself (why does everything always go wrong for me?)

I think his erratic actions afterwards are a reflection of that. Wandering around, haphazardly disposing of things, all the while distracted by his own mental process that this wasnt his fault.

When LE leaned on him just the slightest in the interview, I think JH felt relieved. "Here, this has all become a heavy burden, you take it" is what he thought (I think).

In his mind, no self respecting "man" is going to have kidnapped a woman and murdered her for NO reason, so he threw in the oral sex thing. I mean what self respecting loving guy is going to do all of the above and say he did it all with absolutely NO gratification?

It wouldnt have sounded good (in his mind) to say "well I had planned to rape her but I lost my temper and shot her first." That might make him look weak or out of control of the situation.

He knows he cant claim rape because the DNA wont support that claim so he brings up something that might not be as easy to prove or disprove. At least that way, it looks like he was in control and did what he set out to. And in his mind that might look better than just the whole thing being one giant screw up, just like the rest of his life seemed to be to him.

PIM, GLOW, BOODLES thanks for the legwork...

Consider this scenario from GLOW's comments.

Holt's first plan was to go to Dodge Park for sex, but realizes the SUV is too low on gas for the drive to Larch Mtn, so decides to change plans, have sex AND kill WH. So Holt parks off road, gets out of SUV, tells WH to get out and follow him. WH then locks the SUV doors and Holt inadvertantley leaves Clint Heichel's cell phone (Holt stole it) on the driver's seat. WH tells Holt she's calling 911. Holt, now standing near the passenger door, freak out, explodes and fires a shot at WH's face and kills her. Glass, blood is everywhere. The casing lands in passenger area with glass fragments on the road and SUV. Holt kills WH BEFORE the 911 call goes through to dispatchers.

Now frantic, angry, Holt fires 3 more shots at WH inside the SUV. Holt's scared someone might've heard the 4 shots, so he wants to "get out of Dodge" so to speak ( not trying to sound insentive). Holt pulls WH over the seat to back seat area, covers her with linens, out of sight.

While driving and leaving Dodge Park, Holt throws out Clint Heichel's cell phone on the roadside area.

Now, Holt decides Larch Mtn is the best fit to dispose of WH, but sees he needs more gas. Unsure if any gas stations are at Larch, he decides to head back to Gresham for a fill up.

Holt pulls into a Shell station, using WH bank card, starts filling up. Then Holt recognizes maybe a mutual friend of his and WH or spots a police cruiser driving by and is spooked and bolts out with small amount of gas.

Holt heads quickly to the nearby 2cd gas station, checks to see if anyone recognizes him or the SUV and gets alot more gas, enough for the Larch Mtn drive to dispose of WH, evidence, etc.

Now at Larch Mtn, Holt wraps WH in the linens to carry her a short distance to dispose of her. I believe LE discovered WH a short distance,maybe 20 feet from the roadside area at Larch Mtn.

At Larch Mtn, Holt takes off the SUV license plate and tosses it with other WH belongings.

Then Holt heads back to Gresham and disposes in various dumpsters WH's other belongings. Holt, familiar with Troutdale Apts, tosses WH's cell phone in the bsushes, that the kids find accidently. Then Holt's off to WalMart to dump the SUV.

 

[Boodles]

Thanks, Boodles. *adds to timeline*

It's still curious, then, why glass was at Dodge Park and on the mountain but not where the shooting was said to have occurred.

PIM, in fairness, we don't know whether glass or other evidence was found on Thomas Road. All I know for sure is LE published finding the phone on the berm near the turnout. They omitted anything else. That they didn't provide complete info is understandable, but as I was reading, I was expecting more info like was provided about other things, e.g., the car, Walmart. I mean, this was, supposedly, the crime scene! They may have found more. They may not have.

It just bothers me, because you just don't stop to force a sex act and shoot someone in plain sight, especially when there are so many treed areas just yards away. And my understanding is the lake has been drained, so one wouldn't park there to fish.

This crime is not logical!

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

PIM, in fairness, we don't know whether glass or other evidence was found on Thomas Road. All I know for sure is LE published finding the phone on the berm near the turnout. They omitted anything else.

And, this is true. There were a lot of blank pages with some redactions in the pdf. Can't 'try' the case on pdf alone.

 

[Boodles]

Now at Larch Mtn, Holt wraps WH in the linens to carry her a short distance to dispose of her. I believe LE discovered WH a short distance,maybe 20 feet from the roadside area at Larch Mtn.

At Larch Mtn, Holt takes off the SUV license plate and tosses it with other WH belongings.

Then Holt heads back to Gresham and disposes in various dumpsters WH's other belongings. Holt, familiar with Troutdale Apts, tosses WH's cell phone in the bsushes, that the kids find accidently. Then Holt's off to WalMart to dump the SUV.

Xavier, how do you know she was found 20' from the road? Source?

Why throw the phone into brush at an apartment complex? People walk dogs, run, etc on the perimeter areas of complexes. I don't think many people go dumpster diving at Walmart. Why not throw it into the dumpster so it would be crushed and/or lost in a landfill?

 

[Quester]

Oh dear … was the perp one of those creatures who blamed the friend of the wife for problems/issues/difficulties in his own marriage? One of those creatures who did no self-reflection, took no responsibility for his own actions/inactions/behaviors/etc?
* * *
Regarding divorce, since the perps parents apparently divorced (IIRC, Jan 2011) after a long marriage and I think I read the mother moved out of state (IIRC), it would be interesting to know a few details about their divorce only to the extent that it affected the perp and his feelings/understandings/observations of divorce and the aftermath within the not-to-be-named organization.
* * *
I also found the wording that the perp abscribed to the “robbers” very interesting and wondered if the perp directed similar wording/phrasing at WH?

 

[Xavier]

Xavier, how do you know she was found 20' from the road? Source?

Why throw the phone into brush at an apartment complex? People walk dogs, run, etc on the perimeter areas of complexes. I don't think many people go dumpster diving at Walmart. Why not throw it into the dumpster so it would be crushed and/or lost in a landfill?

BOODLES----These are my best opinions. We do know Holt's a scatterbrained criminal and seems to carry out this crime in a reckless, hodge podge style. So alot of his actions don't seem logical or convenient.


Per LE finding WH body maybe 20 ft from the roadside, I can't recall the link, but photos do show LE standing near the roadside in a cordoned off/taped area. Again, I'm going off my personal impressions from reading the stories. I could be way off. But, if you have to carry a 120 lb person like WH, how far can you carry her before stopping? It would be alot easier to carry WH if Holt had an accomplice. Since that's the $64,000 question, I'm assuming Holt did'nt carry WH that far up the MTN trail or woods because 120 lbs is alot of weight for one person to carry a long distance.

 

[Xavier]

Xavier, how do you know she was found 20' from the road? Source?

Why throw the phone into brush at an apartment complex? People walk dogs, run, etc on the perimeter areas of complexes. I don't think many people go dumpster diving at Walmart. Why not throw it into the dumpster so it would be crushed and/or lost in a landfill?

BOODLES----- Alot of people on this board are curious why Holt stopped off at Troutdale apartments, where WH's cell phone was found in the bushes. Could he have stopped into the apt comlex to see someone or drop off an accomplice?

PIM noted the Holt's were considering to move there or actually lived in the apt complex recently.

 

[Xavier]

Xavier, how do you know she was found 20' from the road? Source?

Why throw the phone into brush at an apartment complex? People walk dogs, run, etc on the perimeter areas of complexes. I don't think many people go dumpster diving at Walmart. Why not throw it into the dumpster so it would be crushed and/or lost in a landfill?

BOODLES----- It does'nt make alot of sense to for Holt to discard all of WH's evidence, blongings in variou slocations.

So per WH's cell phone found in the Troutdale apt complex, I think Holt stopped by to drop off an accomplice or to see someone there and walking decided to throw out her cell phone....or maybe the "accomplice" said get rid of WH's cell phone while Holt dropped him/her off?

 

[Boodles]

Just thinking...when I am without a car, I feel helpless and vulnerable. Yet this guy kills someone, in a messy way, and leaves himself without a vehicle in the Walmart parking lot. Talk about vulnerable.

I am thinking more and more that he relied on someone picking him up in that parking lot. (I am sure LE is looking into that white utility vehicle.) But then what was he doing walking down 257th at 6:50pm?

Wouldn't that someone have driven him home?

 

[gwenabob]

BBM. But that's not voluntary. That's surreptitious gathering of DNA. It has been deemed admissible in court in prior cases.

I suspect they asked to swab him and he agreed. He was screwed either way, because had he not agreed, it would have raised more suspicion and they would have obtained his DNA surreptitiously.

I'm not so sure. This article says otherwise. I guess it could be outdated. It is from 2008. Check No. 6. Good info.

http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/pageDocuments/I6W7Q3D7RM.pdf

 

[Xavier]

I think so. (But I'm not convinced he even killed her, so I guess I'm no help.)



Some forms of are linked to violence. But...we don't really 'know' that his mind was heavily steeped in . The evidence concerning what is on his computers--and how it got there--will take awhile to gather, possibly several months.

Looking at just the facts, here is what we 'know':

&#8226; JH's computer equipment disappeared somehow that Tuesday AM. At least he didn't appear to come home with it when he was found walking by the Judds (who brought him home 2 hours later); he told Amanda 9:00 when he arrived home that night his laptops, etc., had been stolen. She gives no indication to LE that he, in fact, came home with it all or had it on him. And the search warrant of his apt executed on Thursday only turns up Amanda's computer, not his.

*In fact, AH is concerned enough to call AT&T, and cancels his cell phone line when it's discovered to have had data activity on it at 7 AM (he reportedly was robbed at 6 AM). JH says last usage he made on it was Monday when he called Amanda to pick her up from work.

BUT...if JH had truly been using Clint's old cellphone (confessed as stolen), why wasn't that the one in his backpack that was reportedly stolen Tuesday? Why does that turn up at the crime scene Friday?

See pdf, p. 31:

The Robbery Story: (interviewed by Harrington & Rhodes)

*If robbers had made off with everything valuable in his backpack, they'd have made off with the 2 guns which he suddenly 'confessed' to Friday as having packed in his backpack that morning. But...then the shooting he also confessed to couldn't have happened, as the guns he supposedly packed for it would have been stolen--he said only cable cords, and other non-expensive stuff was left in the backpack. Either Wednesday's robbery story is bogus, or Friday's confession to having packed two guns in his backpack Tuesday morning and having shot WH is bogus. Or, all are bogus.

What's not as clear is why he suddenly offered up the and stolen iPhone stories on his 3rd interview Friday (and led them to the place where that iPhone would be found at the end of the 6-hr. interview). If he's going to randomly confess to on his computers, why not bring them in with him that day and turn them in? Why leave the backpack, which has mysteriously turned up, in his car? (The backpack was seized during search warrant executed during his long, 6-hour, 3rd interview Friday.)



Don't know...possibly she was placed on the hood while the "clean up" was being taken care of?



Neither am I. The only 'convincing' crime I'm seeing so far is a brutal execution of a beautiful girl.

PIM---- I have to remind myself when posting that I'm discussing a really cool young woman's murder. So it's a bit sensitive for the sleuthing.

Your 2cd Shooter or Accomplice viewpoint is making sense

Condier this:

-- Why the Troutdale apt complex stop? Why did Holt drive to Troutdale apt complex to discard ONLY WH's cell phone when all of the evidence could've been done in one trip to one dumpster?
Was Holt dropping off an accomplice to the apt complex? Maybe, the accomplice said get rid of WH's cell phone right now, so Holt pitched it into the bushes.

It seems so out of place to go to the apt complex, it does'nt seem to fit? Right?

-- We know the Shell station video shows WH's SUV there with a debit card transaction. Do we know if the other debit card transactions were videotaped? Maybe the other transactions, gas, etc, were from the accomplice's car trailing Holt? The video would answer this question.

-- Holt said he had guns or at least 2 guns he used for the crime. Why two guns? Maybe one gun would be a back up if the other did'nt fire correctly? Or the 2cd gun was for the accomplice?

-- The fact that Holt so quickly came up with the phony alibi of having his backpack robbed by 2 African-American men...did'nt you mention Holt's back pack was discovered , found later at his apartment? If this is true, how did Holt stash it or did the accomplice take it for Holt to hide and gave it to him later that day?

Remember, at this point when the Judds picked up Holt, he was walking aimlessly on the sreets later in the evening. So maybe between the time Holt finished the crime, SUV drop off at WalMart, Holt went to the accomplic's apartment/home. Did the accomplice pick Holt up around WalMart and they huddled back at Troutdale apt complex for a few hours. Then Holt left walking around in the evening?

 

[La Louve]

Something just occurred to me regarding the haphazard locations of the evidence, including the sweater, Whitney's phone, Holt's (stolen from Clint) phone, etc. and how none of it seems to make sense. And that is that Holt had to make it look like two crimes had been committed: him being robbed on the way to work, and Whitney being carjacked &robbed. I think he was trying to make it look like these two crimes were committed by the same person/people. Maybe that's why he took Whitney's body elsewhere.

Still not convinced he had an accomplice but some other questions run in my mind there. Did he call in sick that day for work? Or did he call in after his "robbery" and say he wouldn't be coming in at all? Did he not communicate with his employer at all? Or did he call his boss the night before and say he was sick and wouldn't be in on Tuesday?

It seems like he moved his motorcycle before abducting Whitney, presumably to make his wife think he had gone to work. And yet the story he told about being robbed on his way to work had nothing to do with him being attacked while on his motorcycle, right?

I do agree with Glow that murder was not Holt's original intent and that things spiraled out of control very quickly.

 

[gwenabob]

PIM, GLOW, BOODLES thanks for the legwork...

Consider this scenario from GLOW's comments.

Holt's first plan was to go to Dodge Park for sex, but realizes the SUV is too low on gas for the drive to Larch Mtn, so decides to change plans, have sex AND kill WH. So Holt parks off road, gets out of SUV, tells WH to get out and follow him. WH then locks the SUV doors and Holt inadvertantley leaves Clint Heichel's cell phone (Holt stole it) on the driver's seat. WH tells Holt she's calling 911. Holt, now standing near the passenger door, freak out, explodes and fires a shot at WH's face and kills her. Glass, blood is everywhere. The casing lands in passenger area with glass fragments on the road and SUV. Holt kills WH BEFORE the 911 call goes through to dispatchers.

Now frantic, angry, Holt fires 3 more shots at WH inside the SUV. Holt's scared someone might've heard the 4 shots, so he wants to "get out of Dodge" so to speak ( not trying to sound insentive). Holt pulls WH over the seat to back seat area, covers her with linens, out of sight.

While driving and leaving Dodge Park, Holt throws out Clint Heichel's cell phone on the roadside area.

Now, Holt decides Larch Mtn is the best fit to dispose of WH, but sees he needs more gas. Unsure if any gas stations are at Larch, he decides to head back to Gresham for a fill up.

Holt pulls into a Shell station, using WH bank card, starts filling up. Then Holt recognizes maybe a mutual friend of his and WH or spots a police cruiser driving by and is spooked and bolts out with small amount of gas.

Holt heads quickly to the nearby 2cd gas station, checks to see if anyone recognizes him or the SUV and gets alot more gas, enough for the Larch Mtn drive to dispose of WH, evidence, etc.

Now at Larch Mtn, Holt wraps WH in the linens to carry her a short distance to dispose of her. I believe LE discovered WH a short distance,maybe 20 feet from the roadside area at Larch Mtn.

At Larch Mtn, Holt takes off the SUV license plate and tosses it with other WH belongings.

Then Holt heads back to Gresham and disposes in various dumpsters WH's other belongings. Holt, familiar with Troutdale Apts, tosses WH's cell phone in the bsushes, that the kids find accidently. Then Holt's off to WalMart to dump the SUV.

Very good theory. I would say the only thing I would note is the reminder that there is no self-service gas in Oregon. You have to decide and announce how much gas you want before the attendant starts putting gas in your car. It would be quite ununusual and noteworthy if you stopped a fill up to change it into a tiny amount. I know the attendant did note that he only bought a little bit, but he didn't say anything about starting as a large amount and being changed to a little amount.

My guess is the car was nearly on empty, he was worried about running out of gas, and thought he was buying just enough to get up there and back, but once he paid and drove off, found that it just didn't make the needle go up as high as he thought it would, so had to stop again to get a little more. JMO.

 

[Boodles]

I'm not so sure. This article says otherwise. I guess it could be outdated. It is from 2008. Check No. 6. Good info.

http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/pageDocuments/I6W7Q3D7RM.pdf

?? I was relying on case law in NC and CA. But, in addition, the article you refer to says surreptitious sampling is legal. It's definitely controversial, but currently deemed legal. Litter and trash aren't protected under the 4th amendment.

But in this case, it's a moot point, since LE said he volunteered a sample.

"Surreptitious DNA Sampling Scenario
You have refused to give police a DNA sample in their familial search. The police subsequently go through your curbed garbage during the night to obtain samples of your DNA from discarded items such as plastic cups or cigarette butts. Can the police forage through your garbage to obtain samples of your DNA?
Legal Rights and Responses
This practice, known as &#8220;surreptitious sampling,&#8221; is currently legal. There is no expectation of privacy in garbage once it is out on the curb. Courts have found that there is no expectation of privacy in discarded genetic material and that the practice of surreptitious sampling does not violate the Fourth Amendment. The U.S. Constitution does not prohibit the police from searching your garbage because you are deemed to have abandoned it. State constitutions or laws may prohibit the police from doing this."

 

[Xavier]

Amazing. You all are really using the evidence in the doc. to coalesce a pretty tight theory.

Here are just a couple of things to throw in to the general mix....

Could it be possible that JH did not start out intending to kill Whitney?

We know it ended up that way but that does not mean that he started out with that in mind. What we do know is that his mind was heavily steeped in the world. I am thinking I should google some facts about . I am betting that and violence are common themes that run together. Is that right?

What accounts for the "stains" on the hood of the car? Most of them being round. My immediate thought was the back of someones head. Was the body placed on the hood after death? If so, why? Was that a resting place while the murderer tried to decide what to do next?

and lastly,

I am still not convinced that there was actually sodomy. NOT that JH didnt intend that and more than likely a WHOLE lot more. I mean what teaches is that anything and everything is the norm, right? If you are going to go to all the trouble to kidnap someone (at least we know that part WAS premeditated) why would you not plan to make it worth your while? Fulfill ALL your fueled fantasies?

One answer to that might be if JH wasnt just bent on acting out a scenario. What if he had a more romantic slant on things. He was unhappy in his marriage and work. What if he felt attracted to this happy bubbly girl on the periphery of his world? What if she quickly became the center of his mental world and that and his delusions made him think if he could just get her "away" he could act on his mental ideas?

Actually the more I type that last one out, the less likely it seems. It would seem that if you have to take a gun to get someone alone with you, then you are acknowledging on some level that you know you are having to "make them" cooperate.

Whatever the case, I am leaning towards thinking that he didnt intend for it to end up like it did. I think something went wrong. Either she tried to get away or tried to get the gun and things happened in the blink of an eye. I think he was scared and shocked and felt sorry for himself (why does everything always go wrong for me?)

I think his erratic actions afterwards are a reflection of that. Wandering around, haphazardly disposing of things, all the while distracted by his own mental process that this wasnt his fault.

When LE leaned on him just the slightest in the interview, I think JH felt relieved. "Here, this has all become a heavy burden, you take it" is what he thought (I think).

In his mind, no self respecting "man" is going to have kidnapped a woman and murdered her for NO reason, so he threw in the oral sex thing. I mean what self respecting loving guy is going to do all of the above and say he did it all with absolutely NO gratification?

It wouldnt have sounded good (in his mind) to say "well I had planned to rape her but I lost my temper and shot her first." That might make him look weak or out of control of the situation.

He knows he cant claim rape because the DNA wont support that claim so he brings up something that might not be as easy to prove or disprove. At least that way, it looks like he was in control and did what he set out to. And in his mind that might look better than just the whole thing being one giant screw up, just like the rest of his life seemed to be to him.

GLOW----I think this was a hate crime all the way. I think WH had "dirt" on Holt and he knew this and wanted her silenced. I doubt Holt brought the gun(s) to ONLY scare WH. If he gets some sex by intimidating her with the gun, and lets her go, she can always go to the police and this would've really opened a big can of worms, problems for Holt, his wife and others.

If the murder/shooting was accidental from a struggle, why would he shoot her 4 times? Shooting WH was pure rage, out of control. I believe WH got the cell phone Holt left in the SUV when Holt stepped out of the SUV and wanted WH to follow him to the woods. Then WH locked the SUV, began frantically calling 911. That's when Holt exploded in rage and shot her outside of the SUV into the passenger window. IMO WH died before the 911 call was completed.

 

[Boodles]

Wait, hold on...

I don't recall him being without his backpack that Tuesday. I thought he just lied to police about being robbed. Is it a fact that he didn't have his backpack with him when picked up by EJ? Or do we know?

He still had his computer, storage drives on Friday when he was arrested. They were in his backpack in the car.

I can't access the PDF right now. Can anyone check to see if he was without the backpack and his "other stuff" when he got home Tuesday night? I assumed he just lied to police but was never without possession of these things, except for the iPhone which he ditched at the lake. Remember, he told police that the robbers had returned his backpack. I doubt AH searched him when he arrived home. Actually, didn't he try to walk past her without saying anything? I assumed he hid his stuff in the apt when AH was home. (Maybe AH found the stuff and called the cops because she caught his lie and pieced it together with WHs disappearance?)

 

[Desdemona]

Lol, from the pdf, for one. Pdf, p19:

“Clinton Heichel also told Ofc. Muzyn that ‘an unidentified family member contacted the bank where WH has a bank acct. Somehow it was learned from bank employees that WH’s bank card was used once at the Jackson’s Shell…and once at Travel Centers of America, which is located at 790 NW S. Frontage Rd. Troutdale OR 97060.’

<snipped>

RSBM

Didn't mean to imply anybody made anything up!

Yes, I knew about the FAMILY having info that suggested the Explorer had been at the Travel Center, and that a purchase had been made there.

I posted a news story where this is mentioned, along with a disclaimer that police could only confirm the Shell purchase.

See, I recall in the docs that the use of Whitney's card at the Shell station is documented, and LE's docs spell out their investigative actions relating to that incident, including obtaining videos, interviewing the attendant, etc.

Did they similarly follow up on the alleged purchase/sighting at the Travel Center? Don't recall seeing this in the docs, only the mention that you referenced, where they were told about it by Clint...

So: Did LE confirm the Travel Center purchase/sighting? TIA