Other Cases: SIMILAR Side by Side Comparison

[raeann]

Both of those men, Graham and Reyes targeted sleeping children in their beds then removed them without waking anyone. They spent time in the home during the crime. THIS is the point I was making, but returning them only shows further how easy it is for anyone to get away with taking a child without waking others. Posters say it can't happen and these are definite proof it can and does happen. Reynolds also took a sleeping child out of a home, IIRC. Another case within a two hour radius of Haleigh's house.

I shouldn't have to remind anyone of Jessica Lunsford's case.

I don't disagree with this fact at all. BUT THE GLARING DIFFERENCE in these cases and Haleigh's is that the families who were sleeping told the SAME STORY every time, they didn't add nonsensical extraneous stories about blanket washing, they didn't change and change and change and change the things they "remembered". They didn't add in reports of extra visitors to the home weeks later--reports added by people who weren't even IN the home at the time. NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THESE FAMILIES hid out from law enforcement at a relatives house and refused to return to their own homes---and the Eisenbergs would have been better off if they would have done this!!!! None of them stated that they would meet with LE and then refused to schedule that meeting for MONTHS. None of them walked out of LE interviews. None of them got married a month later when a search for their child's body was going on minutes away from them. None of them took honeymoon vacations. Well, you know the contents of the long, long, list. JMO again.

 

[lonetraveler]

Both of those men, Graham and Reyes targeted sleeping children in their beds then removed them without waking anyone. They spent time in the home during the crime. THIS is the point I was making, but returning them only shows further how easy it is for anyone to get away with taking a child without waking others. Posters say it can't happen and these are definite proof it can and does happen. Reynolds also took a sleeping child out of a home, IIRC. Another case within a two hour radius of Haleigh's house.

I shouldn't have to remind anyone of Jessica Lunsford's case. Now where did that happen again?! Oh, yes...Florida!


BBM

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I have a problem putting a child's mother in the same league as a child predator............ How did these men enter the home? Was an adult sleeping "very closely" by the child's side? Was a light left on? I know it can happen, these cases prove that it happens. I can not see Crystal coming into a house where her ex-boyfriend's girlfriend is sleeping right beside the children and taking one of them without leaving a trace of her having been there. Sorry, I just can't? Then you have to consider how she got into the house. What do you think?

 

[curious_mom]

I have young kids. This thread is scaring the voo-doo out of me.

One other coincidence between Haliegh case and another -

Trenton Duckett's Amber Alert mentions Ocala National Forest.
Haleigh Cummings home is near the northern side of the Ocala National Forest.

I don't believe there is any other similarity in the cases, and I do not think that the two children met similar fates.

I've been thinking alot about the Trenton Duckett vs Haleigh case lately...
The similarities that I see are:

Both children supposedly taken from their homes; driving distance between the 2 around 2 hrs, or 70 something miles

Ron & Crystal Cummings had lived in Leesburg Fl at one time, same area Trenton was from

Both families also had ties to Jacksonville Fl

Both were very near the Ocala Ntl forest

Rumors have been rampant of RC's connection to drugs, JD, Trenton's father, was charged last year with possession although the charges were later dropped

The missing RO, Chad Reynolds, lived in Marion County, right next to Leesburg but cimmitted his crime in Putnam County

A man by the name of William Cotter, worked for DCF, and had ties to both of these cases

Both families had strong ties to local LE

Both of these families were going thru a bitter custody battle, or at least had been in the past

Also, as a side note, MURT got involved with both cases, way more than he should have

(I know LE have said they think Melinda Duckett was solely responsible for Trenton's disappearance, but they've also said they believe he may be alive, (which the family also believes), that there is no evidence of a stranger abduction, no evidence Melinda handed Trenton off, and no evidence Trenton is dead. Also, Trenton's disappearance on the missing poster's state it is a NON-Family Abduction, even after the LE named Melinda as their only suspect...I have always been open minded to the fact that maybe, just maybe, Melinda was telling the truth & she didn't know what happened to Trenton)

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I think we all want to believe our homes are safe and no one would come in and take a sleeping child. It can and does happen. In some of these cases, though, there's just too much evidence screaming that it wasn't a stranger abduction

In Haleighs:
door was locked, no forced entry
turned kitchen light on
looked around yard for a brick to prop door
changed her clothes
MC's inconsistencies

The light being on is the biggest red flag to me. To be honest, if it hadn't been, I'd be more inclined to believe the story.

 

[believe09]

I had posted on the questions thread about the Riley Fox case in Chicago-I wonder if there would be value to comparing other unsolved crimes against children to Haleighs case...

 

[phylliyum]

Monica DaSilva - snatched in 1990 from her bedroom in Reno, NV - her killer has never been found.

Amy Breyer - taken from her bedroom in 1991 shortly before her 3rd birthday.

Kirsten Hatfield - taken from her bedroom while her sister slept in 1997(?)

Sheila Quinn - 1980


Katherine Worsky - abducted while sleeping over at a friends house.

 

[passionflower]

Yes, this does happen allot. Sadly IIRC, the LE said it was not
a stranger that took Haleigh.
The cadaver dogs hitting on things by the river and shed bothers me.
IMO, in this case, I think it is a family deal.

 

[fran]

I haven't followed the Haleigh case closely but recently ran across the Carolrose Fullwood case. Similar to Haleigh's except Carolrose was found murdered and her killer is now awaiting trial.

Child stolen from bed in the middle of the night.
Sex, drugs, unsavory acquaintances of father

I wonder if LE in Haleigh's case have talked to the investigators of Carolrose' case? I personally think they should!

Carolrose' killer wasn't caught for two years. Although Carolrose' killer is behind bars, there were others involved and still at large. I realize these crimes happened on opposite coasts of Florida, but it just seems..................I don't know, call me crazy, :waitasec:

There were reported to be other children being filmed at the same time Carolrose was and she ended up dead. What happened to the other children? The other adults present?

Ok, I'll go back to whatever else I was doing.

:twocents:

JMHO
fran

 

[Granna6]

I hate to say it, but I think this case is getting so cold that it's well on its way to the refrigerator. If LE, even after their confidence that Misty has not come clean, still has nothing to charge her with, then only a miracle dropped from Heaven can bust things open again. As the years start ticking by, then all that will be left are the initial statements made by everyone. As time passes, Misty can always say, "Well, I can't remember such and such" or "It's been so long ago that . . ." Stranger things have happened, though. (Elizabeth Smart and Jaycee D. come to mind.)

How a dolt of a girl could either commit or assist in the "perfect crime" is beyond me. It breaks all of our hearts, I'm sure, that kids don't get to pick the homes they're born into. They have no say-so whether they are treasured--or brutally victimized. Makes me want to go hug my mom right now and thank her for loving and cherishing me and being willing to give her life for mine if it had been required. So sorry that this little girl did not have that blessing.

 

[tfrohning]

The thing that get me about Haleigh's disappearance is dates.

Adji missing 1/10/2009
Caylee's Memorial 2/10/2009
Haleigh's disappearance 2/9/2009 or 2/10/2009

Haleigh disappears 1 month to the day of Adji disappearance.
Calyee's Memorial the same day of Haleigh's disappearance.


I don't know why but the dates have always bother me.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

mark fuhrman to be on fox news in a few minutes discussing Caylees case, Jon Benet Ramsey and high profile cases and a few others like Stacey Peterson. He has a new book out about "murdering". I thought he may make mention of Haleighs case as he's commented before and had small involvement early on with Cobra. Watch, we may learn something useful to this case, as he definately was a law enforcement detective.

Booked called "THE Murdering Business" he's on now. Discussing the OJ Simpson case, believes his trial helped create reality shows today. Says the media effected how the detectives handled the case. Hmmmmm interesting, being Haleigh's case. He says they feel obligated to do pressers. Well, not a problem in Haleigh's case so far, as they don't do regular pressers.

Coming full circle in the Oj Case, "DO NO HARM TO A CASE". He's saying his partner was forced out of the case.

Caylee Anthony Case

Jon Benet Ramsey Case

Drew Peterson/Stacey Peterson Case is in the book he's just written and published. "Media and Crime". Should be interesting to read. As he was on a few short seconds, LOL but says the media was a big problem in OJ's case and how it was investigated and turned out in the end. I see parrallels with Haleigh's case. LE did an outstanding job in Caylee Anthony's case, imo.

 

[crisnnan98]

Well look at Jonbenet Ramsey. She was aparently taken out of her bedroom, down to the basement and assaulted/murdered an no one in the hosue heard anything. Additionally the killer wrote the letter found at the scene while in the house. If you believe the killer was NOT a family member, then the killer was pretty busy and bold in the house.

The killer would also had to have been hiding in the house for hours while they were out that night. That note took some time to write. Probably hid in the basement or right in her room, in a closet or under the bed and took her right out of her bed. The Cummings house was smaller but still there were two bedrooms that they did not use and someone could have been hiding in one until they went to sleep, in a closet maybe. IDK, but it has happened before.

 

[Kathy1964]

Daren Bolton
Tucson,AZ
Climbed thru a window and took Zosha Lee Pickett, almost 3 yo. Parents were sleeping. Bolton took the girl to a nearby area that had some abandoned cars, put her in an old taxicab, and killed her. He undressed her, stabbed her , redressed her, and left her to bleed to death.I believe she was raped. Some children playing in the area found her a few days later.

4 years before this, her abducted, raped and killed a 7-yo as she was walking home from a friends house.

He was executed in 1996 for the death of the 7 year old.

In the Zosha murder, I think the first suspicion was on the parents. They were very rough biker types, and it was though, that if they did not do it, probably something to do with their lifestyle was responsible. That did not turn out to be the case at all.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Misty poses the most serious problem to solving this case, as her lies and inconsistencies keep investigators focused on what she knows and what she did that night.

Let's imagine that Haleigh was indeed taken by a stranger who entered the home and was not seen by anyone but Junior. Why would Misty lie? Perhaps because she was either not at home or at home partying with unknown others or out cold. If she admitted to anyone of those behaviors, she could face child endangerment charges; if Haleigh was dead, and she left those children alone or unsupervised, she could also face involuntary manslaughter charges. In Pittsburgh several years ago, two women went to prison for leaving their children at home while they went to a bar; the kids were all killed in a fire while they were gone. And then, there would be the wrath of both sides of Haleigh's family to face if she had left the kids alone or without sober supervision.

So if an abductor did take Haleigh, unless Misty tells the truth, LE can't know WHEN she was taken, HOW an intruder got in or HOW SHE WAS REMOVED from the house--because the whole timeline is Misty's unbelievable "3 am" "the back door was open" story. I think it is entirely possible that an abductor did take Haleigh, but Misty is just as culpable if she values her own lying hide more than the life of a child.

ETA: Regarding criminals breaking into homes, think of how many people are raped and/or murdered in their own homes. Many women don't wake up until the rapist is actually in the room with them--so they don't hear breaking glass, windows opening, someone walking around. Three women were abducted from Springfield, Missouri without any indication of how the abductor(s) got in or how the women were removed; that case is 17 years old and still unsolved. So it is quite possible that one of the many SOs in Haleigh's neighborhood saw that the kids were unattended or saw Misty's brother banging on the door and figured that Misty was either out cold or gone.

 

[Crosby87]

Mother of 3 found guilty of first degree murder in Quebec, Canada.

A jury in Saguenay, Que., has found Cathie Gauthier guilty in the premeditated killings of her three children as part of a New Year's Eve murder-suicide pact with her husband. The mother’s defense at trial was that on New Year's Eve her 3 children watched a movie and fell asleep and she fell asleep and she doesn’t remember what happened after that. She testified that she woke up later that evening in bed to find her wrist slashed and her 3 children in bed beside her with the girl in the middle and the two boys beside her not moving.
The Crown questioned why Gauthier took a hot bath upon waking up with her wrist slashed — and her children motionless — instead of immediately calling 911. When the mother placed the 911, she blamed her husband for drugging the family members and killing their 3 children. Gauthier faces a life sentence with no chance of parole for 25 years. The mother’s defense strategy can be heard on the video in the right hand corner.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/10/24/quebec-gauthier-guilty.html

 

[mayelf]

Makes me think about there are plenty of ways people can break into a house without a forced entry.

I live in a trailer and a lot of the trailers here (from experience of breaking into my own house due to leaving my keys inside) it only takes a credit card to open the locked door and it doesn't do a single thing to appear forced in.

I also remember hearing about killers/rapists who would find an opportune time of the day to sneak in the house and hide for hours and hours until the timing was right.

Also there are a lot of people who unthinking leave keys in their cars or around their door area (fake rocks, magnets under the car, door frame, above a light, under a mat, under a rock.. etc...) that really are easy to find. I wonder if anyone in Haleigh's case thought about these things?

I agree.. it is a sad world we live in. It's also extremely easy for a person with a criminal mind to do the unexpected to break into a home. They even had a television show that proved that as well.

I remember in the jon Benet case they showed a possible scenerio where the perp crawled into a crawl space to enter the home.