Other People Possibly Involved / Clark may have had HELP???

[Jersey*Girl]

There might be other buildings that house animals though. Those buildings would still have animal care staff (it'd be the same department, just a different building).

I just posted this on the Q&A thread...Please refer to the following...one down, 2 to go...among others...

Raymond's girlfriend worked in the same lab as him.

Link:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat..._jennifer_hromadka_has_defended_him_befo.html

Snippet:
Hromadka, 23, described her live-in beau -- who works in the same Yale lab as her boyfriend -- as a gullible but loving guy who has eyes for no one but her.

:biggrin: (wanted to point out that error is NY Daily News' error - not mine, so step off SS...jkjkjk...) :biggrin:

 

[QAQC-x]

The other person I want to know about is Dennis Smith, the Seventh-day Adventist pastor who spoke to the media on behalf of both Annie Le’s family AND her fiancé (and his family?).

Why would an SDA minister be the designated spokesperson to state thanks on behalf of all parties involved and ameliorate any concerns the New Haven community and Yale campus may have? Who appointed him spokesperson, especially at a time when LE already had a good angle on where this case was going?

SDAs traditionally consider Catholics as the painful enemy enforcers of the immanent apocalypse and second-coming of Christ. SDAs also consider those of the Jewish race/faith (SDAs tend to use those term interchangeably) as displaced, defeated persons. SDAs proclaim themselves as the “chosen people” that replaced the Jews. Why, why, why then, would the Le family and the fiancés family select a spokesperson with such diametrically opposed values.

My best guess = Yale has a shortlist of sympathetic spokepeople that they can immediately offer to victims. These spokespeople are tasked to convey the family's itemized thanks and “protect the case” at the same time. I reckon SDA and other clerics have signed on to this list in exchange for a brief moment of publicity, thushelping to fulfil their quota of loving community service.

On the other hand, perhaps – beyond workplace violence, sexual crime or basic evil, there is an odd religious component here none have yet considered.

Wait – Is Dennis Smith, perhaps, one of the mandated “outside” members of the IACUC (Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee), representing the community... and expected to weigh in on ethics in animal care. Is he a voting IACUC member responsible for approving BOTH individual animal care and use protocols and overall animal care related policy?

 

[Sloof]

Here is the explanation of Smith's involvement:

An Adventist friend of the Le family emailed me asking if I would be willing to assist the family if they needed assistance. I responded that I would. The family asked me to help them compose a statement representing both families for the press. This did and read the statement last Tuesday night at a press conference at Yale. The Le family began getting phone calls, which made the whole situation more difficult for the family. So I told them to refer the calls to me and that I would assist them with the media. That is how the media began contacting me. I only represented the Widwasky family when I read the statement from the families on Tuesday night. After that I was only representing Annie Le's family.

from here:
http://spectrummagazine.org/blog/20...milies_directly_affected_yale_students_murder

 

[QAQC-x]

Thanks Sloof for the Spectrum quote. As a very long-term Spectrum observer, I am embarrassed but not surprised to still be baffled by cognitively dissonant proclamations like (paraphrased) Pastor Dennis Smith’s:

A Le family friend asked for help
I helped. I spoke on both family’s behalf.
The Le’s got a lot of phone calls. I helped.
I really represented the Widawsky’s when I spoke.
Now I only represent the Le’s.

What kind of random garbeldy-disconnected statement is that? Regardless, I do understand Pastor Smith’s final words to “Continue to pray for the family. There are still several things that lay ahead for them, which will be difficult. Also, the grief process will take time.”

Can anyone help find who the voting Yale IACUC members are? I’ve tried… even the back doors I used to know are currently inaccessible.

 

[rdm64]

I read earlier that the lie detector tests were given fairly early in the investigation. Perhaps the GF helped him AFTER she took her polygraph test and she didn't know about the murder when she was tested.

I've been thinking about it and wouldn't you be frightened if someone asked you to help hide a body, fearful that they might kill you if you didn't go along with them or appear to be on their side? That's about the only reason I can come up with for why someone would help with such a horrific request.

I think we are getting well ahead of ourselves and making some false assumptions on procedures and likely scenarios which are clear from history of cases such as this.

First: where are we getting the idea that anyone but a few (perhaps even only one) prime suspects in the area would have been given a polygraph?

I think the great likelihood here is that someone close to the perp either:
a) gave a false alibi, or
b) gave some misleading or false information to the police, or
c) knowingly or unknowlingly took in some evidence to an area outside those covered by search warrants;
d) or heard some admission of possible guilt tor admission of anger etc

and the police or prosecutors wish to pressure that person. any of these could have been days after the murder.

 

[Skigirl]

There might be other buildings that house animals though. Those buildings would still have animal care staff (it'd be the same department, just a different building).

There are definitely many different buildings that house animals on campus, both at the medical center/medical school, and a mile away on central campus.

 

[Unconvinced]

I think one of the press reports I read said his GF "worked alongside" him. (Sorry, I don't have a link right now.) Of course, it's possible that was just a poor choice of words or oversimplification by the reporter.

 

[Labrat]

There might be other buildings that house animals though. Those buildings would still have animal care staff (it'd be the same department, just a different building).

This is true- we have relatives working in animal care, but they are assigned different buildings. Yale does have animal facilities in several buildings.

 

[Labrat]

I think one of the press reports I read said his GF "worked alongside" him. (Sorry, I don't have a link right now.) Of course, it's possible that was just a poor choice of words or oversimplification by the reporter.

The reporters have an extremely limited/no understanding of how this area works- they are filling in details with what they think they know. The errors in what they are saying are glaring to me, but a lay person would have no idea.

 

[Labrat]

I just posted this on the Q&A thread...Please refer to the following...one down, 2 to go...among others...

Raymond's girlfriend worked in the same lab as him.

Link:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat..._jennifer_hromadka_has_defended_him_befo.html

Snippet:
Hromadka, 23, described her live-in beau -- who works in the same Yale lab as her boyfriend -- as a gullible but loving guy who has eyes for no one but her.

:biggrin: (wanted to point out that error is NY Daily News' error - not mine, so step off SS...jkjkjk...) :biggrin:

The media has been calling everything a lab since the beginning. They speak as if there is only one room at Yale- the Lab.
It's a shame they are so careless- it makes the reporting useless to sleuthers.

 

[masscph]

This nydaily internet-site, it has come up with ALOT of stories from sources during this case.

If there was something serious to this 'other person' wouldnt they use abit more energy on it than 1 sentence in the article ?

We have had 'sources say' so many times, with so many off stories, and at the moment it seems like its really just that, "stories" as there are nothing coming out now. Ray doesnt speak for the moment, and the investigators has no interest in ruining the court-case.

 

[citigirl]

I've been reading the forum for a while and following this case. This is my first post. I am finding it hard to believe that Clark did not tell anyone about what happened, as distraught and paniced as he probably was. The AP is reporting that a car was seized this morning at the Super 8 motel that may be his father's car. I think Clark lived with his girlfriend and his father. And his dad stayed with him in the motel.

Could his dad be the second person the cop has inteviewed?

This might also explain Clark's silence. He does not want to say anything that will implicate his father.

 

[Waddles]

I've been reading the forum for a while and following this case. This is my first post. I am finding it hard to believe that Clark did not tell anyone about what happened, as distraught and paniced as he probably was. The AP is reporting that a car was seized this morning at the Super 8 motel that may be his father's car. I think Clark lived with his girlfriend and his father. And his dad stayed with him in the motel.

Could his dad be the second person the cop has inteviewed?

This might also explain Clark's silence. He does not want to say anything that will implicate his father.

Welcome citigirl
Yes I think he told someone too or admitted some implication and asked for help

 

[Sloof]

New Haven, Conn., Police Chief James Lewis told ABC New's New Haven affiliate WTNH-TV that investigators are not actively looking for any other suspects in the case at this time.

"There's no second arrest pending," Lewis told ABC.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/annie-le-case-police-suspect-ray-clark/story?id=8620313

 

[Waddles]

Can someone tell me if gf and/or family member were confided in so knew but in no way were involved or helped would they be legally in the wrong?

 

[Sloof]

yes, that is known as an accessory after the fact, read more here:

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_after_the_fact[/ame]

 

[Waddles]

yes, that is known as an accessory after the fact, read more here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_after_the_fact

thanks!

 

[belimom]

I've been reading the forum for a while and following this case. This is my first post. I am finding it hard to believe that Clark did not tell anyone about what happened, as distraught and paniced as he probably was. The AP is reporting that a car was seized this morning at the Super 8 motel that may be his father's car. I think Clark lived with his girlfriend and his father. And his dad stayed with him in the motel.

Could his dad be the second person the cop has inteviewed?

This might also explain Clark's silence. He does not want to say anything that will implicate his father.

I think what happened in that hotel room is that his dad:

1) told him an arrest was inevitable and that he was going to have to face it.
2) then coached him on what to say/not to say, so that he doesn't implicate himself in case the evidence doesn't speak for itself.

Since LE didn't secure the lab building for several days, the defense is going to jump on that bandwagon and say that the evidence was contaminated. Of course, I don't think it's going to fly, but - I do think that his father wanted to get him away and talk to him about what was to come and how to handle it.

 

[Labrat]

I think what happened in that hotel room is that his dad:

1) told him an arrest was inevitable and that he was going to have to face it.
2) then coached him on what to say/not to say, so that he doesn't implicate himself in case the evidence doesn't speak for itself.

Since LE didn't secure the lab building for several days, the defense is going to jump on that bandwagon and say that the evidence was contaminated. Of course, I don't think it's going to fly, but - I do think that his father wanted to get him away and talk to him about what was to come and how to handle it.

I remember hearing on the news that a roommate, someone he lived with...I forget exactly how they phrased it but I got the impression it was not his girlfriend called the police. Could it have been his father? Did anyone else hear that?

 

[HeyJoe]

Yes, one of the reports said that Clark, his fiance, and an older adult male all lived in that apartment. It might be why his father was also staying at the motel with police going over the apartment with a fine-toothed comb. Meaning, possibly, that "older" adult male is his father?