Other People Possibly Involved / Clark may have had HELP???

[HeyJoe]

Since LE didn't secure the lab building for several days, the defense is going to jump on that bandwagon and say that the evidence was contaminated. Of course, I don't think it's going to fly, but - I do think that his father wanted to get him away and talk to him about what was to come and how to handle it.

The defense *might* be able to get some things thrown out, but DNA evidence of both perpetrator and victim on each other's clothing and/or bodies is pretty much impossible to get out of. If they threw everything else out and only considered evidence reportedly found on and around the body, he will still be convicted.

Remember, her body was hidden behind a wall in a crawlspace rather than out in the open where he could plausibly say he was before the crime. There's just no way that particular evidence would be excluded. It also happens to be the evidence that is the most damning for him.

 

[citigirl]

Unless he argues that he had close contact with Ms. Le before she was murdered by someone else....

 

[HeyJoe]

Unless he argues that he had close contact with Ms. Le before she was murdered by someone else....

Previous close contact that transferred blood from a person who was just found murdered isn't usually an innocent act.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I think what happened in that hotel room is that his dad:

1) told him an arrest was inevitable and that he was going to have to face it.
2) then coached him on what to say/not to say, so that he doesn't implicate himself in case the evidence doesn't speak for itself.

Since LE didn't secure the lab building for several days, the defense is going to jump on that bandwagon and say that the evidence was contaminated. Of course, I don't think it's going to fly, but - I do think that his father wanted to get him away and talk to him about what was to come and how to handle it.

They can try, but I agree with HeyJoe ~ the DNA on the clothing and on her body sort of overwhelms any attempts to explain tampering. He was not a suspect at first, so unless he was around the body himself, who tampered with it? And if he tampered with it, then why? Screaming "he was framed" at this point gets them nowhere because of the blood evidence and the green pen that was found that leads back to him.

The police couldn't find her for several days, but only because she was so well-hidden and the clothing was well-hidden. So it becomes all about who had access and who was on the surveillance cameras, and that leads right back to this guy.

 

[Waddles]

Quick question:

Anyone think maybe Raymond's father talked some sense to him about "doing the right thing" and that's why he never met with the bond officer (or whatever they're called) to determine if he was a flight risk? I wonder why his father spent the night with him in the motel room. Possibly b/c he knew it would be the last time he could be with his "free" son? For some reason I'm holding out hope that if Raymond is guilty, and he knows he's guilty, that he'll do the right thing and own up to his failure. Maybe spare the death penalty by doing so, but spend the rest of his life behind bars.

Yes I definitely think this is what likely happened re his dad and hope too he will own up

 

[citigirl]

Previous close contact that transferred blood from a person who was just found murdered isn't usually an innocent act.

Yes, you're right. If the DNA comes only from blood. But an article in the paper yesterday said DNA can be transferred by many different means.

I think the bloody clothing in the ceiling is the most telling evidence--it reportedly has DNA from both Clark and Ms. Le. That would be hard to explain away as the belongings of another person.

 

[MysteryAddict]

Do we know who the girl was holding the door open for Annie as she arrived?
She was wearing a glove and I always wondered if she was the GF.

 

[Columbo]

Do we know who the girl was holding the door open for Annie as she arrived?
She was wearing a glove and I always wondered if she was the GF.

She looked a lot skinnier than the GF--but maybe it was the angle of the camera or some kind of distortion.

 

[BuzzieCat]

Do we know who the girl was holding the door open for Annie as she arrived?
She was wearing a glove and I always wondered if she was the GF.

This is what I'm particularly curious about and haven't seen anything mentioned regarding this woman. Could be a completely innocent person but very curious to know who. If this woman had nothing to do with it, I wish the police could come out and say so.

 

[agent_scully]

I don't think RC's father would necessarily be bright enough to "coach" him on what to say and what not to say. After all - he's no lawyer...

 

[PatientOne]

I don't think RC's father would necessarily be bright enough to "coach" him on what to say and what not to say. After all - he's no lawyer...

I hope I'm not violating rules by saying this, but for all we know, perhaps "the apple didn't fall far from the tree".

 

[Noway]

Do we know who the girl was holding the door open for Annie as she arrived?
She was wearing a glove and I always wondered if she was the GF.

I think she was carrying a (coffee) cup, not wearing a glove. And I don't think it is the girlfriend, but not sure when photo below is from. I know I've seen recent one though.

Here is photo of Jennifer (date?).
http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID1168/images/Raymond_Clark_and_Fiance.jpg

Here is photo of Annie and girl holding door from surveillance:
http://www.courant.com/media/photo/2009-09/49175420.jpg

And more photos of Jennifer and Ray than anyone would want:
http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2009/09/16/crimesider/photoessay5315436_1_3_photo.shtml?tag=page

Here is a tweaked photo of Annie and the girl at the door:
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj101/NoWay406/Miscellaneous/38a95eec.jpg

 

[belimom]

The defense *might* be able to get some things thrown out, but DNA evidence of both perpetrator and victim on each other's clothing and/or bodies is pretty much impossible to get out of. If they threw everything else out and only considered evidence reportedly found on and around the body, he will still be convicted.

Remember, her body was hidden behind a wall in a crawlspace rather than out in the open where he could plausibly say he was before the crime. There's just no way that particular evidence would be excluded. It also happens to be the evidence that is the most damning for him.

Oh I don't think much of the evidence is going to be thrown out, if any. But I do believe the defense is going to do their best to make it happen and will focus on the fact that the area wasn't secured, and that RC kept working in the area after the crime was committed and could've gotten fingerprints, DNA, etc, on things after the crime. JMHO.

 

[Labrat]

Unless he argues that he had close contact with Ms. Le before she was murdered by someone else....

I saw in a video clip that he told police he had not seen her that day. If that's true, he closed that door already.