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[deanws]

Thanks again for all the critique!

Instead of thanking her...why don't you just TRY to learn something from her logical thinking. :crazy:

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Instead of thanking her...why don't you just TRY to learn something from her logical thinking. :crazy:

Logical thinking? Taking something out of context and running it up the flagpole isnt logical thinking. Its something else. Check my post, and your history, and you'll see that nobody collected a ransom on a dead abductee [that is known by both sides to be dead, in a ransom negotiation].

 

[Nuisanceposter]

But if you take the note at face value, the Ramseys had no choice but to believe that JB was being held, still alive, in danger of dying by decapitation at any time. Why would a kidnapper not act on that and insist on money for the child the parents didn't know was dead? How are they to know whether she's alive or not, and even if they were told she was dead, why would they not pay to have her body back so she could be properly buried? I'd pay a ransom just to have my dead child returned to me so I could lay her to rest, and know that she's been laid to rest.

 

[Wuschel]

As much as I am willing to consider the possibility that PR or JR killed JBR, what makes me not believe it is the ransom note.

PR may be very much in control of her family's life and keeping high standards (I don't know if it serves her right but in my head there is a picture of a nineties style Bree van de Kamp) and may have killed her daughter unintentionally (or intentionally), but I don't see how she or her husband could have written that awful spiteful hateful note.

She did not need to do that! She could have just claimed that JBR had vanished. The sexual abuse itself would have explained it all...someone saw JBR at a peagant, became obsessed with her....found out where she lived....pulled off that old Santa Claus story (telling JBR he would come and visit her after Christmas)....lure her with some pineapple (was she perhaps dieting due to pageants?)....tell her he would just be nice to her.....kills her once she starts screaming....leaves. End of an entirely credible story.

She would have known that a written note bore a high risk of being linked to herself. Or she could have written it shorter and in a less distinguishing language.

I also think that her vanity would not have allowed her to just claim 118 Grand for her daughter....this is an evil thought, I know, but I am merely imagining that she did indeed write the note, and in that case I don't think she could have skipped this part of her character in that situation. 118000 Dollars sounds more like a schoolkid's idea of what a lot of money is...I think she would have been thinking in other dimensions.

(BTW, I think that the sum of 118000 and the fact that she was indeed killed hints that it was not about money but about getting some kind of revenge against JR...but that of course has been suggested many times before).

I don't see PR writing something about beheading her daughter. I cannot explain it, it just does not fit into the picture. JMO of course.

Wuschel

 

[Zman]

As much as I am willing to consider the possibility that PR or JR killed JBR, what makes me not believe it is the ransom note.

PR may be very much in control of her family's life and keeping high standards (I don't know if it serves her right but in my head there is a picture of a nineties style Bree van de Kamp) and may have killed her daughter unintentionally (or intentionally), but I don't see how she or her husband could have written that awful spiteful hateful note.

She did not need to do that! She could have just claimed that JBR had vanished. The sexual abuse itself would have explained it all...someone saw JBR at a peagant, became obsessed with her....found out where she lived....pulled off that old Santa Claus story (telling JBR he would come and visit her after Christmas)....lure her with some pineapple (was she perhaps dieting due to pageants?)....tell her he would just be nice to her.....kills her once she starts screaming....leaves. End of an entirely credible story.

She would have known that a written note bore a high risk of being linked to herself. Or she could have written it shorter and in a less distinguishing language.

I also think that her vanity would not have allowed her to just claim 118 Grand for her daughter....this is an evil thought, I know, but I am merely imagining that she did indeed write the note, and in that case I don't think she could have skipped this part of her character in that situation. 118000 Dollars sounds more like a schoolkid's idea of what a lot of money is...I think she would have been thinking in other dimensions.

(BTW, I think that the sum of 118000 and the fact that she was indeed killed hints that it was not about money but about getting some kind of revenge against JR...but that of course has been suggested many times before).

I don't see PR writing something about beheading her daughter. I cannot explain it, it just does not fit into the picture. JMO of course.

Wuschel

Yes 118.000. dollar demand is no doubt a slap at JR. It's so obvious the RN is not only that but a message of intent and motive.

 

[Lacy Wood]

Logical thinking? Taking something out of context and running it up the flagpole isnt logical thinking. Its something else. Check my post, and your history, and you'll see that nobody collected a ransom on a dead abductee [that is known by both sides to be dead, in a ransom negotiation].

Tsk,tsk tsk...There you go again, you bad boy. You know very well your claim that was refuted was made by you for the purpose of explaining away why JonBenet's body wasn't taken by the "kidnapper"...and you also know that your erroneous claim said nothing about when the death was known to the abductee's family. So you're now back in the realm of devious distortion or befuddled confusion.

You see, HOTYH, if the victim's gone, they wouldn't know she's dead and a real kidnapper could still pursue a ransom. That was the opinion posted here that you claimed to be refuting (Nuisanceposter post 121, pg 5 this thread), and the reason your erroneous/false claim was made in post 122...Your point was that he didn't take the body because nobody ever paid a ransom for a dead abductee. Of course, people would not normally pay ransom knowing the victim is dead...That's why your original answer and now your attempt to squirm away are both simply evasions.

 

[LinasK]

. GOD, they even had to find the darn body for these hapless coppers.
What else could they do?
Search the streets themselves?

I think John "found" JB's body and brought it upstairs to contaminate the evidence, not to help out the "hapless coppers".

 

[Zman]

I think John "found" JB's body and brought it upstairs to contaminate the evidence, not to help out the "hapless coppers".

Well I said it before, I don't think so because he left her there for 5 hours. Thats 5 hours that anyone could have found her. If JR knew she was down there Im sure he would have thought that the police would have found her minutes after entering the home.

If he really wanted to contaminate evidence he would have had to find her first and right away.

 

[LinasK]

Well I said it before, I don't think so because he left her there for 5 hours. Thats 5 hours that anyone could have found her. If JR knew she was down there Im sure he would have thought that the police would have found her minutes after entering the home.

If he really wanted to contaminate evidence he would have had to find her first and right away.

True, but did you ever read "Crime and Punishment"? He got away with murder for a very long time, kept waiting to be caught, felt so guilty he finally turned himself in. Perhaps John couldn't stand any longer that the police weren't searching downstairs when all this time he knew exactly where the body was.

 

[Kaly]

Perhaps John couldn't stand any longer that the police weren't searching downstairs when all this time he knew exactly where the body was.

That makes some sense. I doubt he would consciously think of "contaminating evidence." People just aren't mentally that clear when in the middle of an emotionally charged situation - unless they are habitual criminals, I guess.