GUILTY PA - Christina Regusters for kidnap, rape of 5yo girl, Philadelphia, 14 Jan 2013 - #1

[O'Really]

So whoever knows who took "N" if there is anyone there has to be a bigger reward.

If they can't find who kidnapped NR and the case goes cold, the $reward won't help. We'll have to wait for so and so's friend/cousin/neighbor to get arrested for doing something else, then they'll drop info about this case to avoid jail time. Such is life here.

 

[believe09]

The perps did that... Not the school...

I think we as a society have to recognize that there is bad in this world... That the perps are the ones who are responsible... And suing institutions that, in this instance, did not wake up that horrible day with the intent on getting that child kidnapped.. Is not going to bring back those horrible days....

What is the outcome of suing? Money.... And dragging others' name through the mud...

does that help bring consequences to the real perp?

does that make the parents and child feel spiritually healed?

I don't think so...

JMO

Respectfully, I couldnt disagree more. The child wouldnt have had this experience at all if the school followed their own policies.

The threat of lawsuit causes the district to take notice. And not just the district-all schools and day cares should take notice of this story.

 

[SyraKelly]

Can someone tell me if-the park N was found in anywhere near where Chelsea went missing from?TIA

 

[Filly]

Can someone tell me if-the park N was found in anywhere near where Chelsea went missing from?TIA

Hold on Syra, I'll try to hook you up with a map or directions.

 

[Filly]

Here ya go. I made it from 5900 Race to the 69th street terminal.



5900 Race St, Philadelphia, PA 19139 to S 69th St, Philadelphia, PA 19142 - Google Maps

 

[Filly]

I don't believe there is such a thing as anonymous when calling in a tip. Nope. I made a call on a DV incident in my neighborhood and told LE I didn't want the perp to know it was me.....so what happen?.... they came to my house to ask questions in full view of him!!!! I was freaking livid and had a flat tire a few days later. It could have been worse! If someone witnessed the abduction and had to be present for the trial, then I certainly understand. Unless I wanted to move along with the reward being huge, I'd second think it.

Hear ya, HB.

Glad you're safe though.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

It has nothing to do with funds for education. All schools are insured against personal injury, fire, theft, etc. etc. It costs the insurance company, not the school. That's what they pay premiums for.

I recognize that the insurance money does not come directly from the school... However in the whole scheme of the community/state/federal budget... Lawsuits DO take away from the total moneys that could be used in more beneficial ways...

Another example... Many potentially dedicated, knowledgable doctors are hesitant to enter the medical field due to the exorbitant price of malpractice insurance...

while there are times when malpractice suits are warranted... There is an over preponderance of suits which are filed merely for monetary opportunity... Thus impacting the overall medical care of society...

Therefore... Doctors go towards group practices... HMO's, PPO's, etc. (which I belong to by the way) where the preferred, personalized, private practice doctor is hard to find and not affordable for many...

JMO

 

[nursebeeme]

no arrests yet? this is getting kind of creepy here

 

[maureen718]

Our local news just reported that police have a witness who saw the child and the abductor on Larchwood, nothing more on that but many members of the Muslim community were out this afternoon going door to door talking to people, asking for their help and telling them about the reward, this is the same area police canvassed yesterday.

 

[SyraKelly]

Thank you Filly!!

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Respectfully, I couldnt disagree more. The child wouldnt have had this experience at all if the school followed their own policies.

The threat of lawsuit causes the district to take notice. And not just the district-all schools and day cares should take notice of this story.

In my experience the protocol followed by these school personnel would not have been a travesty of rules...

Parents are an integral part of our school district... And they are physically in the school as assistants, small group leaders, special program directors, and much much more...

We often have parents taking students out of the daily school day for Dr. Appointments, as well as for special family trips, etc. Yes... They need to go first through the office, where a door is open until the school day is over and children have been released...

Maybe my views are colored by a different socioeconomic area than the one where NR was kidnapped... So I will have to accept that my views will be much different from many posters on this thread...

JMO

 

[Jules71]

Our local news just reported that police have a witness who saw the child and the abductor on Larchmont, nothing more on that but many members of the Muslim community were out this afternoon going door to door talking to people, asking for their help and telling them about the reward, this is the same area police canvassed yesterday.

This is good news!

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[Jules71]

Here is Amberdawn's case map. I want to look at it in terms of the bulletin saying she exited the school out the Hazel St exit and then left on 61st.

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msi...ll=39.955182,-75.246778&spn=0.023028,0.052314

Bumping this up. Can we add Larchmont?

ETA: I wonder if its Larchwood? I wonder if they really went right on Hazel and then left on 60th to Larchwood?

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[IHAVENOCLUE]

Here ya go. I made it from 5900 Race to the 69th street terminal.



5900 Race St, Philadelphia, PA 19139 to S 69th St, Philadelphia, PA 19142 - Google Maps

Thanks, Filly!

Great map!

:thumb:

 

[belimom]

Respectfully, I couldnt disagree more. The child wouldnt have had this experience at all if the school followed their own policies.

The threat of lawsuit causes the district to take notice. And not just the district-all schools and day cares should take notice of this story.

The thing about the school. I work in a school with quite a bit of security. However, if a parent were to show up to take their child and the child went willingly with them, there's no reason for that teacher to think the person is not who they say they are. This child was an easier target than a child whose parent isn't normally 'covered'. The sub had no reason to think anything was up. It wasn't like someone showed up and said, "Hi, N****, I'm your new babysitter. Let's go to breakfast.", then I believe the sub may have asked more questions, etc.

School personnel did tell the perp to go to the office. They may not have that many covered Muslim women coming to get their child and may have just seen the mom dropping the daughter off - and just assumed it was her and that there was no reason to escort her to the office.

I agree that protocol should be followed. But parents are allowed in schools - to more extent in some than in others. It's not unusual to have parents bringing something, getting kids out, volunteering in the classroom, helping with a project, etc.

This case is an anomaly b/c the 'costume' worn by the perp matched the mom's clothing to a tee. There was no reason to think it wasn't her from a distance, etc. Just like the security system in Newtown -- no one would ever have guessed that the attacker was going to shoot their way in. Just as no one ever would have guessed that someone would impersonate this particular mom in order to get to that specific child, especially when the child gave no indication anything was wrong and went willingly as if everything was fine. :twocents:

I'm not defending the school - but this one is a hard call to make. The school has to be cut some slack on this one, I think.

 

[maureen718]

there was a blurb about missing 14 year old Chelsea Ramsey-Jones, missing since Monday, she never returned home from school. This was on the 6 o'clock news.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

there was a blurb about missing 14 year old Chelsea Ramsey-Jones, missing since Monday, she never returned home from school. This was on the 6 o'clock news.

Wow... I wonder if this is a coincidence... Or if it connects in some way to NR's disappearance...

I hope this young lady is found safe and sound and soon!

lease:

 

[elmomom]

In my experience the protocol followed by these school personnel would not have been a travesty of rules...

Parents are an integral part of our school district... And they are physically in the school as assistants, small group leaders, special program directors, and much much more...

We often have parents taking students out of the daily school day for Dr. Appointments, as well as for special family trips, etc. Yes... They need to go first through the office, where a door is open until the school day is over and children have been released...

Maybe my views are colored by a different socioeconomic area than the one where NR was kidnapped... So I will have to accept that my views will be much different from many posters on this thread...

JMO

In my area, public schools have A/C, carpeting, a computer for every kid, tennis courts and Olympic sized swimming pools. And I *****, because nowhere in the Constitution does it say that every kid is guaranteed a cushy life while getting an education, and I personally think my school taxes are insane.
But let me tell you, I certainly believe that every child has the right to an education, and to be kept as reasonably safe as possible. This school did not even meet the minimal requirements to keep the child safe. They had a policy and did not even bother to use it, they have a fundamental responsibility to not let any person just walk in and abduct any child. It is absolutely astonishing that ANYONE would not think this school needs to be held responsible for this.
Yes, it took an abductor, but it would not have happpened if the school did not ALLOW THE ABDUCTOR TO ABDUCT THE CHILD.

This has nothing and everything to do with socioeconomic circumstances. This would never happen in my school district, you bet your bottom. Here, the school would be sued so fast your head would spin. And that knowledge keeps them a lot more on their toes than it does in a big urban public school district where it is very much removed from the taxpayers. I am so, so glad that this inner city Mom is acting just like every spoiled Mom out here in the burbs would do. Because her child is every bit as valuable to our society as all the rich kids around here.

I also want to point out that most civil suit lawyers find a "way" to encourage the victims to call them, and will almost never (if ever) say that they contacted the victim with an offer of assistance. To do this would invite criticism as an "ambulance chaser". But I have absolutely no doubt, knowing this attorney, and knowing what is possible here, that he was extremely eager to get this client. And most likely found a way to have the Mom "request his services". This is an easy easy civil case to win, and a very big public big win with all the media attention that comes with. A civil attorney's dream.

 

[amberdawn723]

[URL="https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=204150161293193815171.0004d36c27fb975e3cf0a&msa=0&ll=39.954754,-75.24313&spn=0.011514,0.026157"]https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=204150161293193815171.0004d36c27fb975e3cf0a&msa=0&ll=39.954754,-75.24313&spn=0.011514,0.026157[/URL]

Updated map...with Larchwood highlighted as a possible sighting. Chelsea's case (her house and school) are on there as well (just pan up).

 

[tlcya]

The thing about the school. I work in a school with quite a bit of security. However, if a parent were to show up to take their child and the child went willingly with them, there's no reason for that teacher to think the person is not who they say they are. This child was an easier target than a child whose parent isn't normally 'covered'. The sub had no reason to think anything was up. It wasn't like someone showed up and said, "Hi, N****, I'm your new babysitter. Let's go to breakfast.", then I believe the sub may have asked more questions, etc.

School personnel did tell the perp to go to the office. They may not have that many covered Muslim women coming to get their child and may have just seen the mom dropping the daughter off - and just assumed it was her and that there was no reason to escort her to the office.

I agree that protocol should be followed. But parents are allowed in schools - to more extent in some than in others. It's not unusual to have parents bringing something, getting kids out, volunteering in the classroom, helping with a project, etc.

This case is an anomaly b/c the 'costume' worn by the perp matched the mom's clothing to a tee. There was no reason to think it wasn't her from a distance, etc. Just like the security system in Newtown -- no one would ever have guessed that the attacker was going to shoot their way in. Just as no one ever would have guessed that someone would impersonate this particular mom in order to get to that specific child, especially when the child gave no indication anything was wrong and went willingly as if everything was fine. :twocents:

I'm not defending the school - but this one is a hard call to make. The school has to be cut some slack on this one, I think.

I appreciate your viewpoint as I do those of others who have posted who work in schools and whose perspectives are formed by that experience. I do agree that this was an unusual circumstance due to the wardrobe masking much of the perp's appearance.

That said, I still do believe that the existing security measures failed miserably resulting in this kidnapping. I also still think, based on the limited knowledge we have at this time of the facts, that mom has a good case for a lawsuit against the school and should she decide to pursue that avenue down the road, I won't be shocked or blame her.

ETA I should add that while not a lawyer I do work in a law office which does handle, among many other types of practice, personal injury suits. In the interest of full disclosure, seeing frivolous suits and those which do have some merit on a daily basis has formed my own perspective.