GUILTY PA - Christina Regusters for kidnap, rape of 5yo girl, Philadelphia, 14 Jan 2013 - #1

[The Cheese]

Here's what I'm finding on female abductors. The FBI doesn't even keep statistics on female abductors. The few that there are take babies, not older children.

This is really rare. Maybe a woman who lost a child around Nailia's age recently?

The ones who abduct babies will sometimes fake a pregnancy to account for the sudden appearance of the baby they abduct. A fake pregnancy isn't going to help in abducting a 5 year old. Unless this woman is totally looney tunes?

I think I want to know if there are any custody issues. I can't come up with anything else that makes sense. Unless there's some kind of revenge issue like in Jade's case, but I can't even think about that right now. I'm still too sad about Jade.

I hope Nailia is warm and safe and fed and not scared tonight. Better yet, I hope they find her quick enough she can sleep in her own bed tonight after being hugged and kissed by her mom.

 

[tlcya]

I worked in the office of an elementary school for several years. It really astounds me that nobody in that office realized this was NOT Nailla's mother.

The Kinder parents are in the office MANY times when a child starts school. We knew every single 'primary' caretaker by sight AND NAME. There is no way a woman with the wrong first name, claiming to be 8 months pregnant, should have been able to fool that office staff.

FIRST OFF--you are supposed to pull the student's official 'authorized to release' card and check the DO NOT RELEASE TO list and check their ID to make sure it is authorized.

Obviously that was NOT done.

Also, the kinder classes are almost always right near the offices. So we always has a clear view of parents coming and going. Kinder parents tend to visit the classroom area once or twice a week at drop off or pick up. Unlike the older kids, the kinders usually want the parents to volunteer in class or come see their projects. So it surprizes me that this imposter felt comfortable enough making small talk in the office. How would she know that the staff hadn't recently talked with the real mom, and known she was not named Tiffany and NOT 8 months pregnant?

I thought she pretended to be someone OTHER than mom named Tiffany in the office where she chatted up the office staff about her impending motherhood. I thought it was the substitute teacher that she told she was the child's mother. huh. going back to reread some links.

 

[katydid23]

I really doubt that someone who went through that much work to take her would use the wrong name. I think she may have said Latifah, but it was understood to be Tiffany because it's a more familiar name. Have they said if they had video of the woman entering the school too, or just after being in the office? I don't remember reading/hearing anything about it, but I could have just missed it. TIA

But she goes into the office making small talk and saying she is 8 months pregnant? How did she know that one of the office staff didn't know the real mom and knew she wasn't pregnant? The mom even had an older son who went there. So I am still stumped that she was able to fool the office.

ALSO---how the heck did the imposter know there was a substitute teacher.

There is no way a woman would take a chance going to the real kinder. teacher
and trying to pass herself off as the mom. Especially with an 8th month pregnancy bump.

 

[maureen718]

amber alert is scrolling on TV again!

 

[katydid23]

I thought she pretended to be someone OTHER than mom named Tiffany in the office where she chatted up the office staff about her impending motherhood. I thought it was the substitute teacher that she told she was the child's mother. huh. going back to reread some links.

But how do you go and sign out a child unless you are the parent or one of a very few authorized people.

 

[maureen718]

But how do you go and sign out a child unless you are the parent or one of a very few authorized people.

I'm wondering if there is someone on Nailla's emergency contact list named Tiffany? or if it is the perp's real name or one she pulled from the air?

 

[katydid23]

I thought she pretended to be someone OTHER than mom named Tiffany in the office where she chatted up the office staff about her impending motherhood. I thought it was the substitute teacher that she told she was the child's mother. huh. going back to reread some links.

An emotional Rashid says she dropped off her daughter at 8:45 a.m., just minutes before a woman covered with an all black Niqab, or Muslim veil which only shows her eyes, pretended to be Nailla's mother and signed in with an illegible name.

"[She] told her teacher that she was me, her mother, and that she was taking her out to breakfast and Nailla was already signed out at the office and she took my child and left," Rashid said.

The school then allowed the woman to get the girl from her kindergarten classroom.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8954549

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I believe the office had "Tiffany" sign in and asked her to go into the principal's office... But she went right into the school to Nailia's class..

a couple of questions/thoughts...

I wonder if her signature was really unintelligible.. Or if it was in a language the office personnel was not fluent in... Maybe an interpreter will be able to decipher it?

I wonder if the other teachers/parents/community members may be able to identify her as someone in their religious organizations... Business owner...etc...

(I guess my last question is pretty obvious...... now that I think about it.....since that is the goal of placing the video shots on news accounts.... :crazy: )

JMO

 

[vasportsmom]

I'm feeling really uneasy about this one. I want to believe that it is a custodial issue but I'm seeing so much that shadows little Jade and even Kyron. I'm really curious about the family dynamics. I think our answer will be found there.

 

[tlcya]

But how do you go and sign out a child unless you are the parent or one of a very few authorized people.

I'm wondering if there is someone on Naillla's emergency contact list named Tiffany? or if it is the perp's real name or one she pulled from the air?

and jumping off yours

the abductor could have said they were there to carry a message or a forgotten library book, umbrella, lunch money ID card to Na'illia. Perhaps "Tiffany" was there to drop off something for little Na'illa. Maybe all the chit chat in the office was about timing. Waiting for it to get busy, keeps receptionist chatting to prevent the classroom being called and little Na'illia from being summoned to the office where procedure might be followed. chit chat continued until office gets hectic or busier and then "tiffany" slips out. By the time things settle down in the morning rush of getting the day started, its already left their minds.

Meanwhile, she goes down to the classroom as Na'illia's mom, tells the sub, who is in the middle of the morning rush as well having just taken roll and trying to get everyone focused on their first task and not their neighbor, she already signed her out. Sub lets them go.

ETA links

The woman identified herself to school employees as “Tiffany,” Walker said, but her signature in the school visitor log is illegible.

snip

she somehow made it to the girl’s classroom, where she told a teacher that the child had already been “checked out” of school.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/...ld-missing-from-West-Philadelphia-school.html

[She] told her teacher that she was me, her mother, and that she was taking her out to breakfast and Nailla was already signed out at the office and she took my child and left," Rashid said. http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8954549

 

[ozazure]

Oh wow, this is so brazen!! I really hope the abductor has good intentions and it's regarding custody or something and she is as safe with this person as any other.

The pregnancy thing concerns me even more ... a pregnancy is easy to fake and one more way for a man to appear more feminine.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

6abcnews.com

"Amber Alert Issued For Girl Abducted From School, $10K Offered"

"At that point the mother was contacted and the father was contacted', Lt. John Walker of the Philadelphia Police Department said."

So... The father was contacted... But we do not know much more than that at this point.

 

[ozazure]

oops I meant to add, I think a 5 year old could be easily confused if she is told this is her mother. Many will just do what they are told when they are unsure. Thinking, "did they say this is mom? or go with this lady to mom? I was told to go better go" as they walk out the door ... and it wouldn't take much for the abductor to reassure her.

I had a drastic hair change and went to pick up my 4yo. She didn't think it was me and still got up and went with me feeling unsure and speaks about it still, 5 years later. Very sobering.

 

[tlcya]

In my kids elementary there are several binders which are for signing in and signing out children and adults.

Visitors must sign the visitor book or the visitor taking a child out of school or signing a child in.

Two books. then there is the volunteer sign in account for time book, also a binder. They all look similar and all are spread out on a table. If their system is in anyway similar the office staff may have thought she was signing in as a visitor when in fact she was scrawling an illegible signature in the sign student out book.

not trying to be argumentative, just throwin stuff at walls.

 

[katydid23]

and jumping off yours

the abductor could have said they were there to carry a message or a forgotten library book, umbrella, lunch money ID card to Na'illia. Perhaps "Tiffany" was there to drop off something for little Na'illa. Maybe all the chit chat in the office was about timing. Waiting for it to get busy, keeps receptionist chatting to prevent the classroom being called and little Na'illia from being summoned to the office where procedure might be followed. chit chat continued until office gets hectic or busier and then "tiffany" slips out. By the time things settle down in the morning rush of getting the day started, its already left their minds.

Meanwhile, she goes down to the classroom as Na'illia's mom, tells the sub, who is in the middle of the morning rush as well having just taken roll and trying to get everyone focused on their first task and not their neighbor, she already signed her out. Sub lets them go.

That sounds very realistic. I can see her doing this in the office. But I still want to know how she KNEW there was a substitute that day.

Would she really have gone to the real teacher and tried to pretend to be N's mommy? Surely the teacher would know it wasn't her.

 

[tlcya]

I'm feeling really uneasy about this one. I want to believe that it is a custodial issue but I'm seeing so much that shadows little Jade and even Kyron. I'm really curious about the family dynamics. I think our answer will be found there.

I sure hope you are wrong I don't like this one either. Bad feel.

 

[ozazure]

That sounds very realistic. I can see her doing this in the office. But I still want to know how she KNEW there was a substitute that day.

Would she really have gone to the real teacher and tried to pretend to be N's mommy? Surely the teacher would know it wasn't her.

I think at the school we just left, you could manage to pretend to be the parent at the office as they never seemed to remember who I was, and then pretent to be an authorised friend at the classroom - the teacher knew me. I would think to know it was safe to pretend to be her mother at the classroom, they knew it was a substitute. They knew they could "upgrade" their authority to have her at that point.

 

[katydid23]

I think at the school we just left, you could manage to pretend to be the parent at the office as they never seemed to remember who I was, and then pretent to be an authorised friend at the classroom - the teacher knew me. I would think to know it was safe to pretend to be her mother at the classroom, they knew it was a substitute. They knew they could "upgrade" their authority to have her at that point.

I agree. But when she got to the classroom, how did she know it was a substitute? She must have known who the teacher was already. I am just curious how she got all of that info.

 

[tlcya]

That sounds very realistic. I can see her doing this in the office. But I still want to know how she KNEW there was a substitute that day.

Would she really have gone to the real teacher and tried to pretend to be N's mommy? Surely the teacher would know it wasn't her.

YES! That is the sticking point. If things happen as I speculated above that would mean this person indeed knew there was going to be a sub that day.

It sure would help to know if the sub was anticipated. That would tell us something right there as to exactly how inside this thing is. IF this person knew about the sub then there is no way a total stranger pulled this off, this person knows this family or this school intimately. MOO IMO Cows etc ad infinitum

 

[ozazure]

I agree. But when she got to the classroom, how did she know it was a substitute? She must have known who the teacher was already. I am just curious how she got all of that info.

They must be pretty in the know - possibly not someone just sent in to do the job.