GUILTY PA - Christina Regusters for kidnap, rape of 5yo girl, Philadelphia, 14 Jan 2013 - #1

[WillenFan21]

Just minutes later, police said, a woman dressed in Muslim garb, which only shows her eyes, signed in with the name "Tiffany."

The girl does have relatives who are Muslim and her uncle does have a girlfriend named Tiffany who was on the list of those allowed to pick her up from school. But it wasn't learned until later that it was not her.

"We believe that female that entered that school was a stranger, absolutely unknown to this 5-year-old," Philadelphia Police Captain John Darby said.

OK whoever took this little girl had to have seen the list of people who was allowed to pick this child up at school. IMO it is to coincidental that they threw the name Tiffany out there which just so happens to be someone who is on that list. Could this person who took N be in cahoots with someone who works there and seen the list? They better start interviewing people within that school cause I think there is a connection there and that will lead to them to whoever did this crime.

 

[WillenFan21]

Danielle Robinson, the little girl's aunt, said Na'illa stayed home from school because of an illness on Thursday and Friday, and arrived late to school on the day she was kidnapped.

"It had to have been somebody who knew the kids would be back at school Monday," she said.

Even if the kidnappers know Na'illa's family, their motive is still shrouded and mystery.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130116_Who_too_Na_illa__and_why_.html

I totally agree. I think whoever took N knew someone who worked in the school that had access to the the list of people allowed to pick the kids up. Someone in that school gave off the name Tiffany to the abductor.

 

[Cappuccino]

Thanks Filly for the motive. I now absolutely believe this had something to do with the grandfather's previous organized effort to halt criminals using Muslim dress to hide their identity. I have three theories.

1. A criminal or criminal organaziation did this to make a point. Ie- They want grandfather to shut up.

2. A person in grandpas inner circle (mosque, friends or family) is angry at grandpa for some other reason and used this as revenge since they know how strongly he feels about using Muslim garb while committing a crime.

3. Someone within his organized effort (not grandpa) used this to further an agenda (ie. See what we have been saying about criminals impersonating us).

All just my own opinion and I am certainly not accusing anyone in NR's immediate family as I believe they are victims and we are a victim friendly site.

Not sure about this. What form did the grandfather's protests take? Was he complaining at the criminals who use the burka, or was he complaining that women were covering their faces and using the criminals as an example of why they shouldn't?

I can't see any criminal gang caring a damn what some elderly muslim gentleman thinks of their activities. I can, however, see elements of the muslim community being annoyed if one of their own told women to stop covering their faces.

 

[Angelonline]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...d-to-find-criminals-wearing-islamic-garb?lite
Filly said grandpop is a big deal around town and speaks out a lot. He is an Imam, not just an elderly Muslim gentleman.

Not sure about this. What form did the grandfather's protests take? Was he complaining at the criminals who use the burka, or was he complaining that women were covering their faces and using the criminals as an example of why they shouldn't?

I can't see any criminal gang caring a damn what some elderly muslim gentleman thinks of their activities. I can, however, see elements of the muslim community being annoyed if one of their own told women to stop covering their faces.

 

[Cappuccino]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...d-to-find-criminals-wearing-islamic-garb?lite
Filly said grandpop is a big deal around town and speaks out a lot. He is an Iman, not just an elderly Muslim gentleman.

Oh, I see, he was actually offering a reward to catch criminals. In that case, yes I can see a criminal gang doing something like this.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

I do think it could very much be a message of some sort, I just don't personally find that particular scenario plausible in and of itself. Unrelated criminal effort wouldn't care about this guy IMO. It just seems that an underground criminal effort would want to send a message in a more private way? This would just increase attention which inevitably brings more manpower to an issue. People care more now about catching them than they did before, assuming it's the same people.

edited to simplify and say it in half the space

 

[sadnpod]

I totally agree. I think whoever took N knew someone who worked in the school that had access to the the list of people allowed to pick the kids up. Someone in that school gave off the name Tiffany to the abductor.

The school was not the only resource available with this knowledge.

This abduction could also be looked at as verification of what grandpa has been protesting.

No one should be able to enter a facility requiring identification in any garment that disguises them. No matter what their religious beliefs.

I wouldnt even let you stay in my hotel if I cant verify your identity by looking at you and your ID. We need to get over the political correctness BS. Most perps use our manners to manipulate us. This sub probably didnt want to be rude and offend anyone. Being rude and offensive is not such a bad thing in some circumstances. This was one of them.

 

[The Cheese]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...d-to-find-criminals-wearing-islamic-garb?lite
Filly said grandpop is a big deal around town and speaks out a lot. He is an Imam, not just an elderly Muslim gentleman.

Are we sure it's the same person? Did someone compare their pictures or something?

 

[sadnpod]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(concept)

Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet said: "Iman has more than 70 branches. The most excellent among these branches is the saying of "Laa ilaaha ill Allah" (there is no god but God), and the smallest branch is to remove an obstacle from the wayside. And Haya (modesty) is an important branch of Iman."

Trying to figure out exactly what "being and Iman" means. Anyone have a better definition?

 

[Cappuccino]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_(concept)

Abu Hurayrah narrated that the Prophet said: "Iman has more than 70 branches. The most excellent among these branches is the saying of "Laa ilaaha ill Allah" (there is no god but God), and the smallest branch is to remove an obstacle from the wayside. And Haya (modesty) is an important branch of Iman."

Trying to figure out exactly what "being and Iman" means. Anyone have a better definition?

The word Iman used in that hadith is the Arabic word for faith.

An Imam leads prayers in the mosque.

 

[Trino]

The sub challenged the abductor but was probably overwhelmed with the woman's demeanor, plus her full Muslim dress, i.e. politically correct. I think the school district is just covering their a**es by relieving the sub. More at fault was the security person who did not challenge the two as they left.

"The woman then got confrontational when the substitute teacher challenged her saying, "I signed what I was supposed to sign, I've got other appointments and I do not need to put up with your nonsense."

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8954549

 

[MissSunshine]

Danielle Robinson, the little girl's aunt, said Na'illa stayed home from school because of an illness on Thursday and Friday, and arrived late to school on the day she was kidnapped.

"It had to have been somebody who knew the kids would be back at school Monday," she said.

Even if the kidnappers know Na'illa's family, their motive is still shrouded and mystery.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130116_Who_too_Na_illa__and_why_.html

If the little girl was late for school that day, did mom have to sign her in at the office or with the school monitor person?

 

[hollye]

I do think it could very much be a message of some sort, I just don't personally find that particular scenario plausible in and of itself. Unrelated criminal effort wouldn't care about this guy IMO. It just seems that an underground criminal effort would want to send a message in a more private way? This would just increase attention which inevitably brings more manpower to an issue. People care more now about catching them than they did before, assuming it's the same people.

edited to simplify and say it in half the space

I agree. I am thinking more along the lines of attempting to prove a point...that even children can be taken from school by people potentially disguising themselves in Muslim garb. If robbing banks is not serious enough to gather forces, then maybe the kidnapping of a child will open eyes.

Completely speculation and my own opinion.

 

[keeponsearching]

I am just really confused. After she sign in, was she signing in to pretend volunteer or was it a sheet to get the girl dismissed. Wouldn't the office call down to the classroom to have the girl dismissed?

 

[tlcya]

If the little girl was late for school that day, did mom have to sign her in at the office or with the school monitor person?

Good question. Wish I knew the answer.

Another:

How did perp(s) KNOW that N was returning to school that morning after being out ill both Thursday and Friday?

 

[belimom]

I totally agree. I think whoever took N knew someone who worked in the school that had access to the the list of people allowed to pick the kids up. Someone in that school gave off the name Tiffany to the abductor.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...d-to-find-criminals-wearing-islamic-garb?lite
Filly said grandpop is a big deal around town and speaks out a lot. He is an Imam, not just an elderly Muslim gentleman.

If the grandfather is spoken out about it and an Imam, this it may be easy to track down public info about him - including family members' names.

I'm on the fence about whether or not this has to do with someone sending a message to the grandfather, but it would make sense. Like a slap in the face, a cruel joke -- "Look, we will continue to dress like Muslim women and can even get your own granddaughter."

However, I'm not so sure the message was just to get back at him. I'm wondering if being in the public spotlight, someone at some point in time saw his cute little granddaughter and set their sights on her (not on getting back at the grandfather).

The puzzling part is her escape: I would think that a child would be more heavily guarded by abductors, especially just after the abduction. They are either inexperienced, not serious about keeping her/planned on letting her go, or the older girl really did help her escape. I don't believe she would've been able to get away on her own, especially without being seen or followed.

I still can't get over her being safe. We hear such bad news or follow cases for years with families waiting on any news of their missing loved one. Whatever happened, the family is so fortunate to have her back.

 

[jjenny]

I am just really confused. After she sign in, was she signing in to pretend volunteer or was it a sheet to get the girl dismissed. Wouldn't the office call down to the classroom to have the girl dismissed?

From what's reported, there is a visitor log at the front. She signed in there. After which she was supposed to go to the office. Instead she went to the classroom and picked the child up.

 

[jjenny]

I'm not sure it was wise to release that information about the teenage girl leaving her in the park. If that teenager helped her escape and went back to the abductor's house, that will have placed her in danger.

I am not exactly sure what the deal is, but if they blindfolded the child, then they were going to let her go.
So I don't think there is some teenager in danger.

 

[believe09]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/15/justice/pennsylvania-abduction/index.html?hpt=us_c2

Are they for sure this was a woman? Just saying.

The baby was only in a shirt. :burn:

 

[hollyblue]

Didn't the victim have an older sibling attending school there? Could the perp have known-- had access to and manipulated them into a conversation and get info on the family?

ETA, it was stated the mother never wore traditional garb, so why was she when she went to get her?