PA - Conner, 8, & Brinley Snyder, 4, found hung, later died, Kempton, 23 Sept 2019 *Arrest*

[Seattle1]

Court papers shed light on probe of Berks siblings' deaths

Oct 7, 2019

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The documents are applications for four separate search warrants and their respective affidavits of probable cause related to the deaths of 8-year-old Conner Snyder and his 4-year-old sister, Brinley, both of whom were found unresponsive inside their home in the 2400 block of Route 143 in Albany Township on the afternoon of September 23.

The court documents reveal that Lisa R. Snyder reported finding her children in the basement, hanging approximately three feet apart from each end of a plastic-coated wire that had been wrapped around the basement's main support beam. Alongside the children, police said they found two wooden dining room chairs that had been knocked over.

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In their application for one of the search warrants, police said they were seeking a husky pit bull mix, weighing approximately 50 pounds, that the mother told them used to be tied outside the home with a plastic-coated wire.

"By determining the dogs (sic) actual weight and sized (sic) utilizing a scale will assist in the criminal investigation," Pennsylvania State Police Trooper Ian Keck said in the warrant application. "All of this is important to the criminal investigation and reconstruction of the events surrounding this incident."

[...]

The other warrants sought trace evidence, including fingerprints and DNA; and electronic communication devices, including computers, tablets, and cell phones.

"This will assist the investigation by potentially establishing a link between the perpetrator and VICTIMS and the crime scene, and reconstructing the events surrounding this incident," Keck said in one of the warrant applications.

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Bumping to answer many questions I'm seeing...

 

[Backstroke10]

I messed up on the above post.

BBM - Good question. If she gave the dog away then why would she still need the cable? I've seen some posts saying she gave the dog away before and some saying after. Do we know which it was?

 

[TTF14]

I messed up on the above post.

BBM - Good question. If she gave the dog away then why would she still need the cable? I've seen some posts saying she gave the dog away before and some saying after. Do we know which it was?

She probably also still had the dog bowls and toys. Keeping pet supplies after getting rid of a pet isn't that unusual.

 

[Backstroke10]

Bumping to answer many questions I'm seeing...

Thanks for posting that. Interesting he said "perpetrator and victims". It appears as thought they aren't buying the mother's story. MOO

"This will assist the investigation by potentially establishing a link between the perpetrator and VICTIMS and the crime scene, and reconstructing the events surrounding this incident," Keck said in one of the warrant applications."

 

[Backstroke10]

She probably also still had the dog bowls and toys. Keeping pet supplies after getting rid of a pet isn't that unusual.

BBM That's true. Has she said anything about why she gave her dog away?

 

[TTF14]

BBM That's true. Has she said anything about why she gave her dog away?

Maybe she fears she will have to "move" soon to somewhere pets aren't allowed. Maybe she was experiencing some kind of breakdown and didn't feel like she could care for living things anymore.....

 

[kittythehare]

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unable to open cos Europe

 

[Seattle1]

I messed up on the above post.

BBM - Good question. If she gave the dog away then why would she still need the cable? I've seen some posts saying she gave the dog away before and some saying after. Do we know which it was?

From the bump post above, in the application for one search warrant, police sought the dog that the mother told them used to be tied outside the home with a plastic-coated wire. The dog, however, had been given away, Keck said.

I don't know -- the warrants written about 10-12 days after death of the children. Sounds past tense to me or that the dog was gone soon after if not before.

Actually, I don't think the dog was gone prior to death because why bring up the dog at all?

 

[kittythehare]

From the bump post above, in the application for one search warrant, police sought the dog that the mother told them used to be tied outside the home with a plastic-coated wire. The dog, however, had been given away, Keck said.

I don't know -- the warrants written about 10-12 days after death of the children. Sounds past tense to me or that the dog was gone soon after if not before.

Actually, I don't think the dog was gone prior to death because why bring up the dog at all?

Thanks Seattle. My understanding from reading all I can find is that the dog was given away after the hanging but I don't know how soon after as I THINK the warrant for the dog was issued later than others, possibly warrant 5.. like an afterthought.
I did try searching for the warrants but was unsuccessful.

 

[musicaljoke]

Actually, I don't think the dog was gone prior to death because why bring up the dog at all?

The Emergency Medicial Services probably didn't see the dog, which suggests that it wasn't in the house. It surely wasn't on the tie-out outside either.

 

[gitana1]

I'm trying to figure out how much time the medics spent before transferring them and what actions they could possibly have taken for the same reasons
we can assume the children were extracted but we don't know how long that procedure took or what was involved.
We can probably assume they were given CPR
We can probably assume measures were taken to re-start their hearts, defib, drugs etc.
Were they actually ventilated on site via portable apparatus?

Because, for all we know without verification of Conner's return from school that day,said to be between 3.50 and 4pm, but not confirmed, several other minutes could have lapsed or they may not have been conscious when placed in position...
Were they warm or cold?

Seems a long timespan before the call was allegedly closed at *.36pm... assuming that closure was deemed to have occurred once the children were delivered to the hospital but I'm unfamiliar with PA guidelines and procedures...
this is a very frustrating case for me.. I have a constant snarl in my throat and nose and I don't know what is outraging me more..

They were still alive so not cold. They were revived enough for life support. Once a body is cold they’re long past revival.

 

[Seattle1]

The Emergency Medicial Services probably didn't see the dog, which suggests that it wasn't in the house. It surely wasn't on the tie-out outside either.

Do you think the dog was already gone for good on Sept 23, or mom reacted at the moment and moved the dog elsewhere?

First after school chore for us was to walk and feed the dog. I can't tell if this was no more than a "junk yard dog" tethered outside to warn and ward off visitors or if this was a family pet.

 

[kittythehare]

They were still alive so not cold. They were revived enough for life support. Once a body is cold they’re long past revival.

means she 'discovered' them almost immediately?

 

[musicaljoke]

Do you think the dog was already gone for good on Sept 23, or mom reacted at the moment and moved the dog elsewhere?

Based on what little we know, there doesn't seem to be any confirmation of a dog. We have not heard if there was a purchase receipt, vet records, dog license, witness reports, correspondence with the new owners ... nothing.

I don't know if the dog was gone for good on Sept 23, or if it was rehomed later, or if there ever was a dog.

In these parts, when a person calls 911, the dispatcher will ask if there are any dogs in the house and ask the owner to isolate the dogs in a room if able to do so. Would this be routine in PA too?

 

[Seattle1]

Based on what little we know, there doesn't seem to be any confirmation of a dog. We have not heard if there was a purchase receipt, vet records, dog license, witness reports, correspondence with the new owners ... nothing.

I don't know if the dog was gone for good on Sept 23, or if it was rehomed later, or if there ever was a dog.

In these parts, when a person calls 911, the dispatcher will ask if there are any dogs in the house and ask the owner to isolate the dogs in a room if able to do so. Would this be routine in PA too?

Thank you...

We know the fire captain made inquiry with the 911 dispatcher about any hazards at the scene they were responding to, who was there, and how the kids ended up "there" i.e., hanging from the rafters.

Perhaps this was something the dispatcher asked the mother (do you have any dogs) and there was nothing about a dog to report to the fire captain. MOO

 

[gitana1]

They probably just need to know if there was a dog, and asking for a specific detail, such as the weight, is just to confirm some facts. There may be no pictures, no poop, no toys, collars, leashes, or food bowls, etc., nothing to give any hint that there was a dog, with the single exception of the tie out cable.

If all the dog's things went with the dog, then why not the cable too?

But why would they ask the weight? The search warrant states they want to determine the dog’s weight.

 

[gitana1]

Bumping to answer many questions I'm seeing...

Thank you.

 

[gitana1]

Thanks for posting that. Interesting he said "perpetrator and victims". It appears as thought they aren't buying the mother's story. MOO

"This will assist the investigation by potentially establishing a link between the perpetrator and VICTIMS and the crime scene, and reconstructing the events surrounding this incident," Keck said in one of the warrant applications."

Hmm. If an adult convinced a child to commit a suicide murder and walked them through it, that would be a perpetrator.

It’s weird that they said they needed to establish a link. They certainly are aware of the link between a parent and her kids so that doesn’t make sense if talking about the mother.

 

[gitana1]

means she 'discovered' them almost immediately?

It had to be. Otherwise I don’t see that they could have been revived enough for life support.

 

[MsFacetious]

It states in news articles EMTs found C and B hanging. I hate rumors and this case is rampant with them on social media .. but from everything I read , it is reported they were.

No indications any family members responded to the call, right? I haven't seen any indication I just want to make sure there isn't any. I'm guessing the chief would have recognized the name or address, given the small town.

They probably just need to know if there was a dog, and asking for a specific detail, such as the weight, is just to confirm some facts. There may be no pictures, no poop, no toys, collars, leashes, or food bowls, etc., nothing to give any hint that there was a dog, with the single exception of the tie out cable.

If all the dog's things went with the dog, then why not the cable too?

If the new owners had a fenced yard they wouldn't need the cable. Though with that breed mix I'd probably still use one for insurance to avoid digging under the fence.

Possibly, but not necessarily. He may have been answering questions related to the phones, not knowing that she had lied to the police.

I wouldn't care if she'd lied to the police. I wouldn't lie to them anyway. He is clearly interested in being on the good side of the law. I hope he remains that way.