PA - Conner, 8, & Brinley Snyder, 4, found hung, later died, Kempton, 23 Sept 2019 *Arrest*

[musicaljoke]

But why would they ask the weight? The search warrant states they want to determine the dog’s weight.

Perhaps because dog tie-out cables are sized by the dog's weight: 35 pounds, 60, 90, 125 and 250 pounds. There may be slight variations with different brands.

Was the cable purchased for the dog of 50 pounds, or was it purchased with the combined weight of the children in mind?

IMO, they probably want to see if there was a dog, or once confirmed, if the dog matches the woman's description and is either still alive or was killed. If they think she killed the dog, then they can start digging up the yard to discover if the dog was killed in the same manner as the children.

 

[AC's Grandma]

I haven't seen anything on this but did they check for fingerprints on the beam or cable? If there are no prints for the kids on that beam then whose were? I can't imagine you wouldn't touch the beam. Where the kids prints found on the chairs? JMO MOO

 

[downwardspiral]

I haven't seen anything on this but did they check for fingerprints on the beam or cable? If there are no prints for the kids on that beam then whose were? I can't imagine you wouldn't touch the beam. Where the kids prints found on the chairs? JMO MOO

It is being reported one of the warrants sought DNA and trace evidence

 

[Factoria]

As the owner of a large-breed dog, I am leaning toward LE either not believing that there ever was a dog, or perhaps that they suspect (s)he may have signs of having endured some sort of 'practice run'... My boy is about 70 pounds, and I use a plastic-coated tie-out in my backyard. He's a muscle-bound beast, though, so I used to use one rated for a much higher weight than that. He once snapped a plastic-coated steel cable that was rated for 250-pounds! Now I tend to use a smaller cable, but inspect it regularly for any signs of wear and replace it fairly often. Once the coating is cracked or worn, the cable rusts pretty quickly, and becomes completely unreliable, regardless of the rating. They have some very specific reasons for wanting to find that dog, IMO.

 

[TTF14]

As the owner of a large-breed dog, I am leaning toward LE either not believing that there ever was a dog, or perhaps that they suspect (s)he may have signs of having endured some sort of 'practice run'... My boy is about 70 pounds, and I use a plastic-coated tie-out in my backyard. He's a muscle-bound beast, though, so I used to use one rated for a much higher weight than that. He once snapped a plastic-coated steel cable that was rated for 250-pounds! Now I tend to use a smaller cable, but inspect it regularly for any signs of wear and replace it fairly often. Once the coating is cracked or worn, the cable rusts pretty quickly, and becomes completely unreliable, regardless of the rating. They have some very specific reasons for wanting to find that dog, IMO.

OT, but what is the "other end" fastened to - the one that is not attached to the dog?

 

[Factoria]

OT, but what is the "other end" fastened to - the one that is not attached to the dog?

Itself... one clip attached to his collar, the other end wrapped around a main beam of my deck and clipped onto the lead.

 

[oviedo]

OT, but what is the "other end" fastened to - the one that is not attached to the dog?

perhaps a stake in the ground or a ring around a tree?

 

[gitana1]

Perhaps because dog tie-out cables are sized by the dog's weight: 35 pounds, 60, 90, 125 and 250 pounds. There may be slight variations with different brands.

Was the cable purchased for the dog of 50 pounds, or was it purchased with the combined weight of the children in mind?

IMO, they probably want to see if there was a dog, or once confirmed, if the dog matches the woman's description and is either still alive or was killed. If they think she killed the dog, then they can start digging up the yard to discover if the dog was killed in the same manner as the children.

Yes. That makes sense. I think it shows they immediately questioned the mother’s story.

 

[gitana1]

It is being reported one of the warrants sought DNA and trace evidence

Fingerprints.

 

[Luckyzmom]

Tie down is stainless steel,has large diameter cork screw like end that twists in ground. Top has round or triangle shape hook up for tie down end. Other end attached to dogs collar or harness.

 

[oviedo]

Reposting the early MSM stories - may set up a media thread but it's odd as this is under a different forum than the regular Located....

Court papers shed light on probe of Berks siblings' deaths

UPDATE: Family dog ‘given away’ after 2 children die with dog leash line around their necks [Police]
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The children lived in the home with their mother, Lisa Snyder, and their 17-year-old brother. CBS Philly previously reported that the children’s father was not in their lives.
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A panel of experts will soon be delving into the case, which is a state requirement under “Act 33” in Pennsylvania, for children who pass away or nearly pass away. Act 33 is utilized when there is suspected child abuse or neglect, according to the Pennsylvania General Assembly.

Berks County District Attorney John T. Adams said that although the panel is a “tool in our toolbox,” there is still a lot of evidence to go through.

Update on deaths of Pa. siblings: Kids were found hanging in basement; police want to see electronics and dog

Siblings, aged 8 and 4, found hanged in basement of Pennsylvania home

Police serve new search warrant, turn up more phones at Berks home where children were found hanged
hanging approximately 3 feet apart from a plastic coated single wire cable with ends containing swivel eye snap hooks."

Search warrants served | Northwestern Press

On the 9th birthday he didn’t live to see, Conner Snyder is remembered with balloons by Kempton community

Girl, 4, and her brother, 8, are found hanged in basement together… as cops hunt missing dog that could solve riddle

Siblings Found Hanging Together in Basement Became Organ Donors After Their Passing

2 Young Children Found Hanging From Basement Ceiling At Opposite Ends Of Dog Leash, Two Chairs Tipped Over Nearby

Berks County Children 911 Dispatch Call
Dispatch communication

Mom blames bullying after hanged children die, but police still want their dog: Latest on tragic Pa. case
Sept. 23: A 4-year-old girl and an 8-year-old boy were found unconscious in an Albany Township, Berks County, home around 4:30 p.m., according to state police. The children were flown to Lehigh Valley Hospital. They lived in the home with their mother and an older sibling, 17.

Sept. 26: The children, Conner Snyder, 8, and Brinley Snyder, 4, died. Days later, autopsy results were called inconclusive, and the Lehigh County coroner’s office said more forensic testing is needed to determine the cause and manner of their deaths.

Oct. 5: The children’s family had received services from Children and Youth Services, according to a child advocate. The Department of Human Services did not explain what services exactly were provided. Their deaths will be studied by panels charged with reviewing cases of child deaths or near deaths, the Reading Eagle reported.

Oct. 7: State police release more information about the children’s deaths. Their mother reported finding her children Sept. 23 in the basement of their Berks County home, hanging from rafters by a cord sometimes reported to be a dog leash near overturned chairs.

Oct. 8: Investigators are looking for clues in a video game console and other electronics, and they are hoping to find a dog that used to belong to the children’s mother, the (Allentown) Morning Call reports. The dog, they say, was given away. “Determining the dog’s actual weight and size utilizing a scale will assist in the criminal investigation,” a warrant states.

Oct. 10: Police have served five warrants on the home, according to the Morning Call, during which they recovered the mother’s three cell phones. The dog still has not been found.

Oct. 12: Loved ones recognized Conner Snyder’s 9th birthday with a gathering and balloon release, the Morning Call reported. The children were organ donors, the paper said.

Oct. 16: The boy’s school is mourning his loss, the Reading Eagle reports. Kutztown School District Superintendent Christian Temchatin told the paper that “Conner was a beloved member of the Greenwich Elementary School family who enjoyed his peers and teachers. He is dearly missed and is fondly remembered for the smile he brought to all who knew him.”

Oct. 16: Details from the mother’s 911 call are released. Lisa Snyder told a dispatcher that her 8-year-old son was bullied and had “made threats of doing this, but didn’t want to go alone.” The mother of the children said this week, “At this point, I am not ready to make any public comments.” After her children died on Sept. 26, she changed her Facebook profile with a photo and the saying, “Words scar, rumors destroy, bullies kill.”
Thanks @rocket for this synopsis
@Hippiemomof5 provided a potential image
I googled because I couldn’t picture what this meant. I think this is probably pretty accurate although size/length may vary.

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"...single wired cable with plastic coating and ends containing swivel eye snap hooks, according to the affidavit."

2 Kids Die After Mom Finds Them Hanging in Home, Police Say

Mom of children found hanging told 911 dispatcher son was bullied, 'didn't want to go alone'
Brother, Sister Found Hanging In Basement Of Berks County Home, Court Records Show

Bullying may have prompted deaths of Albany Township children, according to radio traffic

Police: 2 young siblings who died were found hanging

The children were unconscious and in cardiac arrest when they were found, but medics revived them en route to the hospital. However, on September 26, both children were removed from life support, dying within 14 minutes of each other.

A cause and manner of death is still pending.

No arrests have been made.
Pa. Boy Found With Sister Near Death in Basement Was 'Bullied,' 'Didn't Want To Go Alone': 911 Call
The children were unconscious and in cardiac arrest when they were found, but medics revived them en route to the hospital. However, on September 26, both children were removed from life support, dying within 14 minutes of each other.

A cause and manner of death is still pending.

No arrests have been made.
Pa. Boy Found With Sister Near Death in Basement Was 'Bullied,' 'Didn't Want To Go Alone': 911 Call

Obituary for Conner S. and Brinley L. Snyder | Robert S. Nester Funeral Home

Kempton: a community in mourning over deaths of children

see post #451 by @gitana1 - research into hanging of children

bumping this - media reports

 

[Vaccine]

Here’s an article with a video showing the house and the mom.

911 dispatch recordings suggest boy found dead in Berks County home was bullied and 'didn't want to go alone'

Did you notice in this item at 1 min 50 the list of items taken by the police as evidence includes after the cell phone and ipad a 'note'. Do you think this might have been claimed to be a suicide note?

 

[oviedo]

Normally that decision is made by the guardian/guardians after thorough brain testing was completed showing no brain activity (brain death). In this case, likely mom and dad (i haven't seen info on dad) or whoever had custody.

Prereqs before anything else is done:
- Establish irreversible and proximate cause of coma.
- Achieve normal systolic blood pressure.
- Perform 2 neuro evals as outlined below.

Neuro eval consists of:
- Coma (must lack all evidence of tesponsiveness).
- No brainstem reflexes (this is lengthy test).
- Apnea test.

Confirmatory tests may include:
- Cerebral angiography.
- Electroencephalography.
- Transcranial Doppler Ultrasonography.
- Cerebral scintigraphy.

This usually takes a few days and is never rushed (at least in the hospital I work at). The Neurologist and Intensive Care Doc will have several conversations with family etc, including discussion of prognosis, throughout this process. 3 days as in case of C and B is realistic.

The more I read and think, the less i believe that this is suicide by C and C taking B with him... There just is no way....

someone was asking about organ donation and so I'm bumping this post from earlier

 

[Deleted member 278]

Did you notice in this item at 1 min 50 the list of items taken by the police as evidence includes after the cell phone and ipad a 'note'. Do you think this might have been claimed to be a suicide note?

Where is link?

 

[gitana1]

Did you notice in this item at 1 min 50 the list of items taken by the police as evidence includes after the cell phone and ipad a 'note'. Do you think this might have been claimed to be a suicide note?

Oh! Interesting. Maybe.

 

[weepingangel]

How long does it take for LE to get online info / IP address user names etc ? I’d imagine Xbox or whatever would want to cooperate if someone participated through their platform. Apple less so iirc from other cases.

 

[kittythehare]

How long does it take for LE to get online info / IP address user names etc ? I’d imagine Xbox or whatever would want to cooperate if someone participated through their platform. Apple less so iirc from other cases.

Fast enough except for apple.
My concerns about this is that had it been a pre-meditated murder there is no way to know who it was that actually used the item, may look like a child used it but nothing to prove it wasn't an adult using the child's x-box or laptop or ipad or whatever, is there?

 

[Factoria]

But why would they ask the weight? The search warrant states they want to determine the dog’s weight.

THIS^^^! I think my train of thought in my previous post got a bit convoluted, but my initial thought was that it seems quite irrelevant to me what the weight of the dog is in comparison to the tensile strength rating of the cable found wrapped around the basement rafters.

 

[downwardspiral]

OT, but what is the "other end" fastened to - the one that is not attached to the dog?

My guess from reading descriptions is it would be like this, attached to itself by connectors to make sliding nooses

 

[kittythehare]

It is also possible that forensics have shown evidence pertaining to a dog that has made them curious. As far as I recall, dog warrant was issued late.. maybe it had nothing at all to do with his weight or pulling capacity or chain...