PA - Conner, 8, & Brinley Snyder, 4, found hung, later died, Kempton, 23 Sept 2019 *Arrest*

[CSIDreamer]

Isn't the list from the table? perhaps there is another list with the actual xbox?

Warrant left "on kitchen table". If you look at the line above it has the option of "served on".

I think. JMO!

 

[oviedo]

Oh maybe. If so then that makes sense. Except why would the controller be on the table and not with the xbox?

if you are playing it, maybe set it on the table to get a snack? or it was taken away and the table is where it is kept ? I need to go back and look at the list again.

 

[oviedo]

wait a second, why is there another dog cable on that list? and why is that on the table???

 

[CSIDreamer]

wait a second, why is there another dog cable on that list? and why is that on the table???

I think the warrant was left on the table. Not the items.

 

[oviedo]

I think the warrant was left on the table. Not the items.

oh....

 

[kittythehare]

wait a second, why is there another dog cable on that list? and why is that on the table???

That's the thing... doglead should have been in the basement unless they had several which wouldn't be unusual

 

[Pseudonymph]

Screengrab. What is item 7? Yellow what?

I’m 95% sure it says yellow clothing or maybe clothes.

 

[kittythehare]

In the state of PA there is no lower age limit on murder charges, children can be charged.. Read a case a few days ago where a small child had killed several members of his family... I was wondering whether mother had come upon older child trying to hang younger child but that's nonsense and all I'm thinking right now is nonsensical rubbish...
I don't have a single guess about what could have happened, how it could have happened or why.
It feels quite bizarre...
By now lE have had sufficient time to analyse her entire internet travels.
She was not particularly clever, it seems...
Is it a thing that they found nothing relevant or is it possible they have extended their investigation and are considering another potential suspect who is better at covering their tracks?
Not even a single presser when potential or actual child suicide should be making headlines?
She has not even identified as a POI?
Nobody is talking.

 

[Pseudonymph]

I’m 95% sure it says yellow clothing or maybe clothes.

Just looked more closely. It’s clothing. The i and the n overlap due to hurried writing. All the other letters match perfectly to the handwriting elsewhere.

 

[downwardspiral]

I’m 95% sure it says yellow clothing or maybe clothes.

Same here was coming to post that

 

[NoSI]

As promised, here is some more info on organ donation related to child abuse/criminal cases. I will post in a few separate posts, so info is not as overwhelming.

Organ Donation in Child Abuse Cases

- Healthcare personnel should view all brain-dead patients, regardless of age or current medical condition, as potential organ donors.

- The most recent study indicates that the loss of transplantable organs because of medical examiner refusals remains close to the 1992 level, about 7%. This is particularly a problem with potential pediatric organ donors who have died because of suspected child abuse etc. Non-recovery of organs in this age group is a significant contributing reason for the pediatric death rate on the waiting list for a liver transplant in children age 5 and under.

- In 1992, roughly 30% of the cases that were denied were child abuse cases. For every child abuse or suspected child abuse case released by the medical examiner for organ recovery, approximately 2 cases were denied. This is the most frequently denied circumstance of death in medical examiner cases that are potential organ donors. This is especially unfortunate for two reasons:

1. Pediatric organs are in critically short supply and are essential for needed transplants in young recipients where size is crucial.

2. Nonfatal child abuse cases are routinely prosecuted with evidence that can be gathered through external physical examination, lab results, x-rays, CT scans, and so on.

In the case of organ donation, all this medical data can still be provided; in addition, direct examination and photography of internal organs and tissues can be offered for further evidence.

Resource: Lynch, V. & Duval, J. Forensic Nursing Science – Second Edition.

 

[NoSI]

Case Law Related to Organ Donation

- Theoretically, a criminal investigation or prosecution could be impaired by evidence that is lost, damaged, or altered by virtue of the removal of the crime victim’s organs for donation. However,

1. There has been no case in which a state was unable to adequately investigate a crime or prosecute a criminal defendant because necessary evidence had been impaired by organ donation.

2. No reported case was found that demonstrated that the removal of organs for donation rendered a subsequent autopsy so deficient that the cause of death could not be determined.

- Although no reported cases indicated that a criminal investigation or prosecution was impaired or adversely affected by organ donation, the removal of a crime victim’s organs has been asserted as a defense by defendants. Penal laws define homicide in terms of conduct that causes the death of another person. Therefore, to convict a defendant for murder or manslaughter, a state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant’s conduct caused the victim’s death. Accordingly, defendants in homicide cases have asserted that the removal of the victim’s organs or the termination of life support systems was the cause of the victim’s death, not the defendant’s actions.

Resource: Lynch, V. & Duval, J. Forensic Nursing Science – Second Edition.

 

[NoSI]

Evidentiary Issues Presented by Organ Donation

Defendants in criminal cases also have attempted to use the removal of the victim’s organs to preclude the admission of photographs into evidence.

1. In Green vs. State, the defendant was found guilty of murder. On appeal, the defendant alleged that the trial court erred in admitting into evidence a photograph of the victim taken after several of his organs had been removed for transplantation. The court rejected the defendant’s assertion, stating that the gruesome nature of the photo was not grounds to exclude it if it shed light on the issue being tried.

2. In State vs. Bock, the appellate court rejected the defendant’s assertion that photographs of the victim taken after his organs has been removed for donation has been admitted into evidence improperly. The court found that although the admission of the photographs may have been prejudicial, such error was harmless.

Resource: Lynch, V. & Duval, J. Forensic Nursing Science – Second Edition.

 

[Backstroke10]

I’m 95% sure it says yellow clothing or maybe clothes.

Same here was coming to post that

When I first looked at it, I thought yellow clothes. I asked my son to look at it and tell me what he thought. The first thing he said was yellow clothes. I posted earlier that I thought it said yellow control because I thought "yellow clothes" was too broad and didn't make sense. MOO

 

[Vaccine]

Screengrab. What is item 7? Yellow what?

I thought it was clothes or clothing.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I can see it being yellow clothes. My only hangup is that's an awfully broad description for a search warrant. No size, no potential gender.

I can see yellow control as well. Especially since there's been confirmation you can get a yellow xbox control.

I'm gonna stand firmly on the fence.

 

[FlossyMay]

Maybe it's yellow cloth.

 

[gitana1]

I’m 95% sure it says yellow clothing or maybe clothes.

Me too.

 

[Seattle1]

Screengrab. What is item 7? Yellow what?

Hmmm -- item 3: Note

 

[kittythehare]

Evidentiary Issues Presented by Organ Donation

Defendants in criminal cases also have attempted to use the removal of the victim’s organs to preclude the admission of photographs into evidence.

1. In Green vs. State, the defendant was found guilty of murder. On appeal, the defendant alleged that the trial court erred in admitting into evidence a photograph of the victim taken after several of his organs had been removed for transplantation. The court rejected the defendant’s assertion, stating that the gruesome nature of the photo was not grounds to exclude it if it shed light on the issue being tried.

2. In State vs. Bock, the appellate court rejected the defendant’s assertion that photographs of the victim taken after his organs has been removed for donation has been admitted into evidence improperly. The court found that although the admission of the photographs may have been prejudicial, such error was harmless.

Resource: Lynch, V. & Duval, J. Forensic Nursing Science – Second Edition.

Thanks a lot for coming back with the research.
It seems to be a ME decision..
Case by case?
Is it a possibility that the children died before the case became categorized as 'suspicious'?
When EXACTLY did it become 'suspicious'?
I'm trying to figure whether the scene of the hanging aroused suspicion from the outset or not?