PA - Conner, 8, & Brinley Snyder, 4, found hung, later died, Kempton, 23 Sept 2019 *Arrest*

[imstilla.grandma]

I didn’t understand you at first. I do know. Holy heck. So we don’t even know how long they suffered and were slowly strangling?

That’s a terrible thought. One I thankfully can’t comprehend well.

Hi. I’m gonna try and catch up. I'm so glad all of y’all are sticking with this tragedy and am anxious to read y’all’s opinions. I had to step back for a minute. I know this is a heartbreaking and emotional thread. Thank you all for staying the course. It’s a tough one.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

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[imstilla.grandma]

Both children had the leash line wrapped around their necks.

Authorities learned about the cellphones after an interview with Snyder’s oldest son, 17-year-old Owen Snyder, according to The Morning Call.

“Normally, people only have one cellphone and now we have three,” Berks County District Attorney John Adams said.

“By determining the dogs (sic) actual weight and sized (sic) utilizing a scale will assist in the criminal investigation,” Pennsylvania State Police Trooper Ian Keck wrote in the warrant, according to 69 News.

“Assessment and ongoing case management services were provided to Connor and Brinley Snyder through Berks County Children and Youth Services,” according to a spokesperson from the state’s Department of Human Services.
Investigators seek public tips for two children found mysteriously hanging in basement

Berks County Children 911 Dispatch Call

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Hi. I’m gonna try and catch up. I'm so glad all of y’all are sticking with this tragedy and am anxious to read y’all’s opinions. I had to step back for a minute. I know this is a heartbreaking and emotional thread. Thank you all for staying the course. It’s a tough one.

(HUGS))

 

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God Bless LE,First responders,and the Coroner.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

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Both children had the leash line wrapped around their necks.

Authorities learned about the cellphones after an interview with Snyder’s oldest son, 17-year-old Owen Snyder, according to The Morning Call.

“Normally, people only have one cellphone and now we have three,” Berks County District Attorney John Adams said.

“By determining the dogs (sic) actual weight and sized (sic) utilizing a scale will assist in the criminal investigation,” Pennsylvania State Police Trooper Ian Keck wrote in the warrant, according to 69 News.

“Assessment and ongoing case management services were provided to Connor and Brinley Snyder through Berks County Children and Youth Services,” according to a spokesperson from the state’s Department of Human Services.
Investigators seek public tips for two children found mysteriously hanging in basement

Berks County Children 911 Dispatch Call

SMH obviously the ongoing services for Conner,and Brinley weren't ongoing enough. Poor babies had zero rights. Because these so called services are hell-bent on keeping families intact.
MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The dispatcher notifies the police officers of the circumstances, saying that the mother, named Lisa Snyder, told them that her son Conner was “dominated” at school and “made warnings of doing this” before.

As the audio proceeds, the dispatcher transfers to responding officers that Conner had particularized in his warnings that he “didn’t want to go alone.”

The sources report that, after her kids perished on September 26, 3 days after they were flown to a nearby hospital, she updated her social media profile with a photo and the stating, “Terms scar, lies destroy, bullies kill.”
8-Year-Old Who Hanged Himself With His Sister, 4, Didn't Wanted To Die Alone Due To Bullying

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Ideas why this link came up during my specific search for Allentown audiotape regarding this case?
Pennsylvania - The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy with Couples and Families:
“A Comprehensive Guide for Clinicians”

I skimmed it - It’s a read for sure. I found this part interesting - not sure it’s applicable as I’m not caught up with thread.

Case examples - page 246+ of pdf - or - page 225+ of guide (dependent upon your e-view.)
“A Family of Gluttons”
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/db4a/50bd237e2f693079d9276379735e1f3b8014 .pdf

 

[MsFacetious]

might catch something from entire dispatch tape... like a special cutting tool required because of the nature of the apparatus? If she, mother had not the required objects to cut them down, did she inform 911 what was needed? Or maybe it was standard equipment in which case no special order for additional mechanical equipment would have been needed

I use these lines all day every day. I don't think you'd need anything special. Because I think you could easily just remove the tension and unhook it instead.

I have done it with a dog about the same weight as Brinley who was hanging. He was in a harness so he was fine, but the tension was there. You lift, it takes the tension off and you can unhook.

Conner may have been much more challenging being so much bigger but Brinley would be easily doable.

Then once you got Brinley down you could get Conner down by unwrapping the line from the rafters and letting him down. It would all take less than 5 minutes.

I admit I DO have the advantage of thinking about it without being in the situation. But this is pretty basic. I don't feel like it's a difficult mathematical equation or anything. I feel like it's mostly common sense.

Is this making sense or do I just have a very visual imagination?

 

[FlossyMay]

Do we know if the lead was hooked around their necks, or could it have been tied somehow? All I've seen in MSM is that it was "wrapped".

 

[MsFacetious]

Do we know if the lead was hooked around their necks, or could it have been tied somehow? All I've seen in MSM is that it was "wrapped".

I presume that it was looped and hooked to itself like a noose. But I don't know. If anyone can't picture this, let me know and I can get pictures.

 

[TTF14]

I use these lines all day every day. I don't think you'd need anything special. Because I think you could easily just remove the tension and unhook it instead.

I have done it with a dog about the same weight as Brinley who was hanging. He was in a harness so he was fine, but the tension was there. You lift, it takes the tension off and you can unhook.

Conner may have been much more challenging being so much bigger but Brinley would be easily doable.

Then once you got Brinley down you could get Conner down by unwrapping the line from the rafters and letting him down. It would all take less than 5 minutes.

I admit I DO have the advantage of thinking about it without being in the situation. But this is pretty basic. I don't feel like it's a difficult mathematical equation or anything. I feel like it's mostly common sense.

Is this making sense or do I just have a very visual imagination?

No, I think the same as you.

 

[Seattle1]

I use these lines all day every day. I don't think you'd need anything special. Because I think you could easily just remove the tension and unhook it instead.

I have done it with a dog about the same weight as Brinley who was hanging. He was in a harness so he was fine, but the tension was there. You lift, it takes the tension off and you can unhook.

Conner may have been much more challenging being so much bigger but Brinley would be easily doable.

Then once you got Brinley down you could get Conner down by unwrapping the line from the rafters and letting him down. It would all take less than 5 minutes.

I admit I DO have the advantage of thinking about it without being in the situation. But this is pretty basic. I don't feel like it's a difficult mathematical equation or anything. I feel like it's mostly common sense.

Is this making sense or do I just have a very visual imagination?

I imagined this exactly as you did.

(We often used this type coated wire /cable when camping and where we couldn't command over our dogs natural instinct to chance something in the woods -- especially in the pitch of dark. They are unobtrusive and the double latch very convenient).

 

[musicaljoke]

Conner may have been much more challenging being so much bigger but Brinley would be easily doable.

Then once you got Brinley down you could get Conner down by unwrapping the line from the rafters and letting him down. It would all take less than 5 minutes.

I admit I DO have the advantage of thinking about it without being in the situation. But this is pretty basic. I don't feel like it's a difficult mathematical equation or anything. I feel like it's mostly common sense.

Is this making sense or do I just have a very visual imagination?

I think if your kid was heavy, <mod snip> you'd find the strength to lift him and get the clasp opened. And, you could do it so fast that you'd wonder about it for the rest of your life.

 

[kittythehare]

I use these lines all day every day. I don't think you'd need anything special. Because I think you could easily just remove the tension and unhook it instead.

I have done it with a dog about the same weight as Brinley who was hanging. He was in a harness so he was fine, but the tension was there. You lift, it takes the tension off and you can unhook.

Conner may have been much more challenging being so much bigger but Brinley would be easily doable.

Then once you got Brinley down you could get Conner down by unwrapping the line from the rafters and letting him down. It would all take less than 5 minutes.

I admit I DO have the advantage of thinking about it without being in the situation. But this is pretty basic. I don't feel like it's a difficult mathematical equation or anything. I feel like it's mostly common sense.

Is this making sense or do I just have a very visual imagination?

We have n details regarding the type and set-up of the apparatus.
I'm wondering whether it was far more substantial than what you have described and I am suspecting it was or somebody would at least have been named as a POI by now?
That's the elephant in the room here..
The question is what measures the medics needed to take in order to take the children to a position or location where work on saving their lives could be initiated.
If it was a simple unclipping she would have to be a suspect... 11 minutes between call and their arrival.

 

[musicaljoke]

We have n details regarding the type and set-up of the apparatus.
I'm wondering whether it was far more substantial than what you have described and I am suspecting it was or somebody would at least have been named as a POI by now?
That's the elephant in the room here..
The question is what measures the medics needed to take in order to take the children to a position or location where work on saving their lives could be initiated.
If it was a simple unclipping she would have to be a suspect... 11 minutes between call and their arrival.

Well, if an eight year old rigged it up, how complex could it be?

 

[kittythehare]

Well, if an eight year old rigged it up, how complex could it be?

We don't know for sure than an 8yo rigged it up.
We have no idea who rigged it up.
We only know that somebody did.

 

[musicaljoke]

We don't know for sure than an 8yo rigged it up.
We have no idea who rigged it up.
We only know that somebody did.

Perhaps I should have worded it more carefully. I believe if an eight year old didn't do it, then the intention was to make it appear as though an eight year old had rigged it up.

 

[kittythehare]

Perhaps I should have worded it more carefully. I believe if an eight year old didn't do it, then the intention was to make it appear as though an eight year old had rigged it up.

Gotcha!
However can we speculate that the rigging-up was far less complex than the rigging down due to accident or design?
And why were the 2 chairs still upended?