PA - Conner, 8, & Brinley Snyder, 4, found hung, later died, Kempton, 23 Sept 2019 *Arrest*

[oceanblueeyes]

He was in third or fourth grade, I think the teacher would, at least, suspect if one of her students was being bullying at school.

Agree. The investigators wouldn't just talk with his teachers, but his close friends as well.

Jmho

 

[Sweetsbeach]

I have to agree that if an elementary school aged child was being bullied to the point where he wanted to kill himself, his teacher would more than likely be able to attest to that fact. Not to mention his mother said he spoke of suicide before. You'd think if that were the case, she would have reached out to his teacher, the principal and the guidance counselor to inform them and get their help. There should be someone to substantiate the claim that this 8 year old was being tormented and voicing his desire to end his life. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Has there been a recent appeal for information? I know they were asking for help when seeking to locate the alleged dog that lived outdoors.

Something else about asking public for information seems to have put the community on a "wait and see" position.

For a small 1,500 resident town, you'd think there would be a public show of support for the grieving mother that lost her two youngest children by tragic event -- esp. if attributed to 8 year old bullied to death. No flowers on the door-step, no fund raising, etc. (I'm not surprised about this no show but that's just me).

MOO

Yes, that's quite telling.

Imo, others knows things about this mom. I think that is why LE is asking anyone with information to please come forward.

I think they will gather a wealth of information about what really went on in that house before this happened about this mom, and it will come from the children's older brother.

Imo, he knows things his never divulged before, but since this has happened to his younger little siblings, I think he is more than willing now to tell LE what he knows. Just like he told them she has several cell phones she failed to tell LE.

Jmhoo

 

[oviedo]

I have to agree that if an elementary school aged child was being bullied to the point where he wanted to kill himself, his teacher would more than likely be able to attest to that fact. Not to mention his mother said he spoke of suicide before. You'd think if that were the case, she would have reach out to his teacher, the principal and the guidance counselor to inform them and get their help. There should be someone to substantiate the claim that this 8 year old was being tormented and voicing his desire to end his life. JMO

I'm curious what the 17 year old brother has to say....

 

[MyBelle]

Has it even confirmed by LE the 8 year old was being bullied at school? From what I have read the little boy was popular, and well liked at school.

Ita! Any child who is bullied by anyone lives a life being emotionally tormented.

It's emotional dangerous warfare being waged against way too many children. It's even worse now even though many children suffered severe bullying no matter when they attended school.

The reason I ask if LE has confirmed what the mom said is true, I suspect if any bullying was happening to either or both dead children they were being abused, tormented, and grossly bullied by the one who took their lives from them.

Imo, this didn't just start, but more than likely had been happening for some time behind closed doors, like we usually see happen in so many other cases involving murdered children where a parent or parents were involved.

Jmhoo

ITA. I doubt LE would publicly confirm whether Conner was a victim of bullying at school at this point but I'm also betting they know the answer.

JMO

 

[MJPeony]

I have to agree that if an elementary school aged child was being bullied to the point where he wanted to kill himself, his teacher would more than likely be able to attest to that fact. Not to mention his mother said he spoke of suicide before. You'd think if that were the case, she would have reach out to his teacher, the principal and the guidance counselor to inform them and get their help. There should be someone to substantiate the claim that this 8 year old was being tormented and voicing his desire to end his life. JMO

I don’t think we have received, nor are we going to receive, testament to him having been bullied to the point of wanting to end his life because I don’t think he ended his life. MOO. (Although we may share that opinion!)

I also don’t think the mother was (eta: emotionally) involved and attached enough to have brought even less-consequential bullying to the school’s attention anyway. But I don’t think Connor committed suicide because he was bullied or otherwise.

I was only saying that Connor, or any child, can be bullied at school and the teachers/administrators would not always know. I mentioned it more as a “bullying awareness” point regarding general school bullying (or online bullying which can be completely unrelated to school).


MOO.

 

[kittythehare]

No evidence has come to light that he was bullied.
No evidence has come to light that she did not lodge bullying complaints to the school.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I’m not saying this is the case for Connor- but I just wanted to say that school administrators do not always know if a child is bullied or not. From my experience (having multiple kids in the public school system for quite some time now), the bullying of children often takes place on the playground, at the lunch table, at the lockers, etc. The staff is simply just not always aware.

And a bullied child doesn’t always “present” themselves as somber and withdrawn to the teachers.

Also, online bullying is a possibility of course, and the school staff would likely have no idea whatsoever whether that is happening to a child.

In other words, I’m not sure it’s possible for LE, or the school, to confirm bullying.

I don’t necessarily believe Connor was bullied. Perhaps he was, but perhaps not. And either way, I am more than highly skeptical of the story that he killed his sister and commuted suicide. In fact, so skeptical that I don’t believe it...

But I think it’s important to note that just because a school doesn’t know about bullying doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. Some kids can be real jerks, and they know how say and do things that fly under the radar.

MOO.

yes, I absolutely agree that if he were being bullied the school would not say if he was
for fear of a lawsuit.

however, most schools have to say something because they have to counteract overt railing allegations from the parents. I can’t think of a story where someone who killed themselves over bullying, did not have a parent in their corner shouting specifics about the bullying loud and often. Anybody else?

 

[MyBelle]

yes, I absolutely agree that if he were being bullied the school would not say if he was
for fear of a lawsuit.

however, most schools have to say something because they have to counteract overt railing allegations from the parents. I can’t think of a story where someone who killed themselves over bullying, did not have a parent in their corner shouting specifics about the bullying loud and often. Anybody else?

ITA! Well said.

 

[Aunt2AnAngel]

That is exactly what I was gonna say!

I have to agree that if an elementary school aged child was being bullied to the point where he wanted to kill himself, his teacher would more than likely be able to attest to that fact. Not to mention his mother said he spoke of suicide before. You'd think if that were the case, she would have reached out to his teacher, the principal and the guidance counselor to inform them and get their help. There should be someone to substantiate the claim that this 8 year old was being tormented and voicing his desire to end his life. JMO

 

[1&2&3]

Did we ever hear why social services were involved with these children before this tragic incident?

For social services to be involved, that should be our first clue that all was not right in this home.

Was this family known to LE? If so, do we know the number of times they had been called to the Home?

Waiting...for the real story to come out.

 

[oviedo]

Did we ever hear why social services were involved with these children before this tragic incident?

For social services to be involved, that should be our first clue that all was not right in this home.

Was this family known to LE? If so, do we know the number of times they had been called to the Home?

Waiting...for the real story to come out.

I think we are all waiting for the real story IMO

 

[cujenn81]

IMO, the mother did too much explaining on the 911 call.

In past cases, when the caller went into such details to the dispatcher, it normally turns out the caller is the guilty one. He/she gives too much information trying to take the attention off themself.

Yep! When someone gives you more information than is necessary, it’s usually because the story doesn’t sound believable to THEM and feel compelled to justify it.

 

[MsFacetious]

I think of these kids every time I unhook my puppy.
He is 45 pounds and rarely holds still for me to unhook him.
Trying to do it while he's jumping around can be a challenge. However, when he holds still or with the lazy dog... it's so easy.
Maybe the set up isn't what I'm picturing because I don't understand not trying

 

[Vail]

If you can't visualize it, here is my take on it (sorry, putting this behind a spolier)

Spoiler

 

[WhatDidYouDo]

Behind the spoiler - I don't know why but my brain puts them close together so side by side - your set up would mean that Connor was a monster - I don't think he could have seen his sister dangling, gone over to the other side and lifted himself into the noose

 

[oviedo]

Behind the spoiler - I don't know why but my brain puts them close together so side by side - your set up would mean that Connor was a monster - I don't think he could have seen his sister dangling, gone over to the other side and lifted himself into the noose

I thought the early reports were that they were 3 feet apart?
Children found unconscious in Albany Township were discovered hanging from basement rafters, authorities say
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The children were found hanging from opposite ends of a plastic coated dog lead that had been wrapped around the main support beam of the basement ceiling, according to an affidavit in support of a search warrant. Each end of the wire lead was wrapped around the victims' necks, the affidavit says.


Two chairs that had been taken from the house's dining room were tipped over on the floor on either side of the bodies, court papers say.


The children were hanging about 3 feet apart from each other when their mother found them.

 

[Backstroke10]

ITA! Since when do small children threaten suicide and the parent does absolutely nothing about it? When my DD was bullied, we went right to the parents and also notified the principal. It stopped immediately.

The mother blamed her son from the get-go and seemed to be okay with the fact he murdered his little sister. I think there is more and we will soon hear it.

Does anyone know if there has been any effort to raise money?

JMO

IMO, the mother did too much explaining on the 911 call.

In past cases, when the caller went into such details to the dispatcher, it normally turns out the caller is the guilty one. He/she gives too much information trying to take the attention off themself.

I agree with both of these posts. It was a big red flag for me when the mother told the dispatcher about her son wanting to commit suicide and not wanting to do it alone. MOO
Liars definitely tend to give too many details. I have an older sister who is a compulsive liar. The rest of the family knows every time she’s lying because she tells these elaborate, detailed stories. MOO

 

[fred&edna]

I thought the early reports were that they were 3 feet apart?
Children found unconscious in Albany Township were discovered hanging from basement rafters, authorities say
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The children were found hanging from opposite ends of a plastic coated dog lead that had been wrapped around the main support beam of the basement ceiling, according to an affidavit in support of a search warrant. Each end of the wire lead was wrapped around the victims' necks, the affidavit says.


Two chairs that had been taken from the house's dining room were tipped over on the floor on either side of the bodies, court papers say.


The children were hanging about 3 feet apart from each other when their mother found them.

Conner may have been a bright child, and heaven knows all kinds of information is available via online (SM, gaming, googling) technology. But, I just do not believe an 8 yr old Conner did this. Winding the leads around both then tipping her chair then his chair... No. JMO

 

[Aunt2AnAngel]

One cannot help but wonder. Had to google 911 calls to ease my brain some. This is what I was thinking as well with this generic scenario.