Found Deceased PA - Dakota James, 23, Pittsburgh, 25 Jan 2017 #1

[ChuckMaureen]

Jumping to and stating conclusions as if they were official facts is not helpful. It confuses what is fact and what is speculation. Anything concluded as "fact" beyond what LE states as fact is considered as speculation.

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That is funny!!

We will see what has bothered me the most is this "accidental death " nonsense.

Joey having no water in his lungs clearly indicate foul play. They still leave it undetermined.

IMO they need to change it too accidental murder or murder.

It is insulting , when clear forensic stuff says he was thrown in

35 years ago none of this nonsense would have happened

unsolved homicide.

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only mo

"accidental death" is just as viable a possibility as other possibilities.

"no water in the lungs" does not clearly indicate "foul play". All it indicates is JL was not breathing / deceased when his body entered the water. COD and MOD have not yet been determined.

"accidental murder" (this would be considered "manslaughter") or "murder"... there is no evidence of either. If JL had passed due to a drug overdose or heart attack (just examples) and someone placed his body in the river the acting person would likely be charged with "abuse of a corpse" unless that person had something to do with his passing and it is proven.

The ME stated it is likely, although the ME does not state this as 100% determined, that JL entered in to the river after he was deceased. It is possible JL may have been in a boat or standing on the bank or on a bridge and suffered an event and fell. It is not likely, but still a possibility. No facts yet on this element.

Things like this have been going on for years. It just turns out we now have 24/7 news cycles that need to be filled with content. Years ago, "news" was relegated to one hour or less broadcasts in the morning, afternoon and evening and carried only what editors deemed as broadly relevant. Print news took up the slack.

"homicide" has not been proved in JL's case.

I'm just trying to keep the thread aligned on fact. Speculation is all well and good in sleuthing, but it should never be presented as definitives nor fact.

 

[AFTM]

We don't know for certain what the police did and didn't do. From the press conference it appears that they investigated many angles. We are hearing differently from the family. I have a hard time believing that the police lied about what they did. It seems they could have done a better job communicating with the family, but the lack of communication could have been protocol.

I know I never knew certain things about my sisters death until the trial. The police can't tell the family everything they are doing. My dad was very angry at the investigating officer back then; but now I know how deeply it affected even the homicide detectives.

Murder leaves a profound affect on the lives of the people who are touched by it. Their lives are forever changed.


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[AzPistonsGirl]

Jumping to and stating conclusions as if they were official facts is not helpful. It confuses what is fact and what is speculation. Anything concluded as "fact" beyond what LE states as fact is considered as speculation.

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"accidental death" is just as viable a possibility as other possibilities.

"no water in the lungs" does not clearly indicate "foul play". All it indicates is JL was not breathing / deceased when his body entered the water. COD and MOD have not yet been determined.

"accidental murder" (this would be considered "manslaughter") or "murder"... there is no evidence of either. If JL had passed due to a drug overdose or heart attack (just examples) and someone placed his body in the river the acting person would likely be charged with "abuse of a corpse" unless that person had something to do with his passing and it is proven.

The ME stated it is likely, although the ME does not state this as 100% determined, that JL entered in to the river after he was deceased. It is possible JL may have been in a boat or standing on the bank or on a bridge and suffered an event and fell. It is not likely, but still a possibility. No facts yet on this element.

Things like this have been going on for years. It just turns out we now have 24/7 news cycles that need to be filled with content. Years ago, "news" was relegated to one hour or less broadcasts in the morning, afternoon and evening and carried only what editors deemed as broadly relevant. Print news took up the slack.

"homicide" has not been proved in JL's case.

I'm just trying to keep the thread aligned on fact. Speculation is all well and good in sleuthing, but it should never be presented as definitives nor fact.

THANK YOU for this whole post. This thread has gone somewhere off the rails and any theory aside from a SK preying on gay men is discouraged. Glad to see a post that respects the facts here.

 

[kel_hin]

DAKOTA JAMES UPDATE JUST RELEASED BY THE MEDICAL EXAMINER
The cause and manner of death for Dakota are UNDETERMINED, pending toxicology.
We are told there's no time frame for when that will be completed - and "it is not expected to be quickly."

 

[CARIIS]

There was a boat??

 

[CARIIS]

DAKOTA JAMES UPDATE JUST RELEASED BY THE MEDICAL EXAMINER
The cause and manner of death for Dakota are UNDETERMINED, pending toxicology.
We are told there's no time frame for when that will be completed - and "it is not expected to be quickly."

same ole same ole

it will be two months

we know there was alcohol in his system



What is needed is the FBI!

it will be undetermined IMO , and all shall proceed until the next one

moo

 

[CARIIS]

Joey I am just confused. If I dropped dead from an overdose , and LE is notified within 6 hours, and helicopters are flying everywhere how do I get I found a month and half later with no water in me??

If I was submerged dead for a month some water would get in even I was already dead no?

Maybe not the quantity of breathing, but a month and a half water would seep in.

it indicates very recent "placement"

NO water is somewhat telling

As far as Joey goes its over they are no longer doing anything -- its been a year--- it goes down in history as undetermined despite the fact that he shows up in a place they have searched several times weeks apart with no water in his body. IMO that is a dump.........................

IMO only

 

[Factbased]

so it was 15 days later

Wednesday, Feb. 8
Channel 11 News confirms that investigators obtained a search warrant and reviewed at least one of James’ social media apps

if it were a female do you think it would take 13 days to see about possible sex stuff?

I shall be generous - let's go 7 hours before (female ) rape or murder comes into the narrative ??

I couldn't agree more with you.

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[Factbased]

On some of these (icy slopes) i could be there. But this was a concrete stari,. Ie he want ot urinate and fell , and shock of everything there is a low-level stairway thing right there.

One cannot fall 45 feet away from a stairwell that has a concrete deal and not be able to just pull self up IMO

Besides if he fell on concrete there would be visible injuries on his body. Police said there were none immediately noticeable...not on Facebook, arms, etc.

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[CARIIS]

Besides if he fell on concrete there would be visible injuries on his body. Police said there were none immediately noticeable...not on Facebook, arms, etc.

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That is what I was trying to say!! Especially drunk a fall is a thud leaves stuff.moo

 

[CARIIS]

THANK YOU for this whole post. This thread has gone somewhere off the rails and any theory aside from a SK preying on gay men is discouraged. Glad to see a post that respects the facts here.

I am not sure what the facts are!!

We have no facts that is why the thread is up 1200!

Missing dead found ???

Pretty much it

 

[Factbased]

Perfect. I couldn't agree more.

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Who said they lied about everything? I don't think that is the case. I think they did plenty. But they made mistakes and had critical missed opportunities. In addition, the police did state in the 2/27 presser that they did things that the family is clear that they organized and the police did not.

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[CARIIS]

Who said they lied about everything? I don't think that is the case. I think they did plenty. But they made mistakes and had critical missed opportunities. In addition, the police did state in the 2/27 presser that they did things that the family is clear that they organized and the police did not.

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IMO they missed much - most crucial video -- I do not know but I think a lot of places rerecord over a month of video - why would a restaurant or clothing shop, a bar need to buy surveillance equipment that holds a month of images?

NSA sure! CIA you bet! A hamburger place just dont think so !! Even a bridge- why would a bridge need to "save" a month of images?

A accident is pretty quick!

The camera where a shoe was seen, places to the left or right or across the street IMO would have different angle -- but had been recorded over a month later moo

 

[AFTM]

I wonder why his co-worker has still not came forward about anything...it just seems so wrong. She needs to talk to the family. Surely she remembers something else.

Makes you pause...


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[Libertynjustice4all]

Why has only a still shot of Dakota been posted? Is there a live video because that would help judge how intoxicated he seemed (similar to PK video)...I did read in a local news article at one point (but so much has been misreported) that time stamps showed that text sent during the video was to his father.

 

[AFTM]

4 PHASES OF COLD WATER IMMERSION
The most common misunderstanding about Cold Water Immersion is that it leads to immediate Hypothermia. The real truth is, other serious events occur long before hypothermia sets in, each with its own physiological challenges.

The four phases are:

1 Cold Shock Response
2 Cold Incapacitation
3 Hypothermia
4 Circum-rescue Collapse

Cold Shock Response lasts for only about a minute after entering the water and refers to the affect that cold water has on your breathing. Initially, there is an automatic gasp reflex in response to rapid skin cooling. If the head goes underwater, water may be breathed into the lungs during the gasp. The result is simple: drowning. That’s one of the many benefits of a life jacket or PFD: it helps to keep your head above water during this critical first response.

A second component of the Cold Shock Response involves hyperventilation. Like the gasp reflex, this is a natural reaction to the cold. Although this physiological response will subside, panic can cause a psychological continuance of hyperventilation. Prolonged hyperventilation can lead to a faint, so the key thing is to concentrate on controlling your breathing.

The other significant Cold Shock Response is cardiac related. As the arteries narrow (vasoconstriction), the heart has to work harder to pump the same volume of blood throughout the body. Especially for people with underlying heart disease, this additional workload can cause the heart to go into cardiac arrest.

Maybe he fainted...

Cold Incapacitation occurs within 5 – 15 minutes in cold water. Vasoconstriction decreases blood flow to the extremities in an effort to preserve heat in the core, thereby protecting the vital organs but allowing the periphery to cool. Unfortunately, muscle and nerve fibres don’t work well when cold. Within this critical time frame you will lose meaningful movement in your hands and feet, and then your arms and legs, so if you’re not wearing a floatation device, you will be unable to stay afloat and will drown. Other important life-saving/survival activities will also become more difficult and then impossible.

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[CARIIS]

I wonder why his co-worker has still not came forward about anything...it just seems so wrong. She needs to talk to the family. Surely she remembers something else.

Makes you pause...


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Apparently all along she has maintained that she can't remember anything

That fits in with LE everyone was just blasted out of their marbles while the two of them walked all over town without being remembered!

While being exposed to many bartenders that did not bounce them ?

The Uber driver never reported he felt like he was transporting a woman in a drunk fugue !

BUT, I have to say if I was in blackout and the next day who I was with went missing , and I could not remember a whole lot - I am not sure how I think it might be "good" to go on nationial TV and say so!

Everyone with Joey and with Zach did interview after interview.

So in some sense (only) has nothing to do with how alcohol impacted him - but she might have been the one that got bounced not him, and of course he would exit with her.

I dont know how the pizza fits in!!

 

[Libertynjustice4all]

There is a local rumor (I am a member of the local gay community) that an individual who owns one or more gay bars in Pittsburgh and is viewed as a community leader...has not been cooperating with the police regarding DK and his associate being in his establishments during the night in question. Whether this is true or if the police are being intentionally vague regarding the timeline of this case is VERY concerning. Are there receipts that will help establish the timeline? Aren't there cameras at these bars? I know several gay bars on Liberty do. Looking for more insight.

 

[pghzis]

Besides if he fell on concrete there would be visible injuries on his body. Police said there were none immediately noticeable...not on Facebook, arms, etc.

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For the third time, I wasn't suggesting that he fell on to the concrete and then in the water. I suggested that he may have been close to the edge, tripped and fell in. There would be no impact hitting the water and with the water being a few feet below the ledge it would make it difficult to get out.

 

[CARIIS]

Why has only a still shot of Dakota been posted? Is there a live video because that would help judge how intoxicated he seemed (similar to PK video)...I did read in a local news article at one point (but so much has been misreported) that time stamps showed that text sent during the video was to his father.

That is what I have been saying- release the whole clip -- they did the same thing with Zach and it took nine months or so for them to release actual video of Joey in the bar. Don't get it

The way it hit me (now that I have gotten caught up ) is the video might clearly show he was not as bombed as LE is trying to make it. They wanted to go for a drunk gay dude who fell somewhere from day one.

Does anyone really believe that if a 23 female went "missing" the first thing LE would do is try to find out who she might have been meeting??

That is number one in any crime

moo