PA PA - District Attorney Ray Gricar Mysteriously Disappeared - Bellefonte 15 April 2005 #18

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Maybe the District Attorney / Legals could release some of the investigation…
If not all…

It is hard to research 🧐 this case without additional information. Do they know
who may have been prosecuted at the time and/or death threats at the time?

Any factual rationale why ? It has been an awfully long time now…

Hope stays alive

Jmo omo moo
Much of the material has been leaked.

Officially, it is still an "ongoing investigation."
 
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would be interesting to know what his pension choices/beneficiary choices were. He had options.
My understanding is that his daughter and girlfriend each got half of his pension. It was substantial.
 
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Last thread ( the megathread) received 132,000+ views.
What the numbers say to me is that this case is not dead. There is ongoing interest and discussion, just no new case info for us.

For those who may be new to the case, or would like a fairly quick refresher, here is a basic outline of the case FACTS:

Mr. Ray Frank Gricar, DOB 10/9/ 1945, was first elected District Attorney in 1985, and had been re-elected four times since then. Prior to becoming District Attorney, he had served as an assistant district attorney for about five years, in Centre County, and about ten years in his home state of Ohio. He was a graduate of Case Western Law School and licensed as a J.D. in Ohio, then transferred to PA with his first wife, Barbara Gray, a professor at Pennsylvania State University ( PSU).

In January 2004, he announced he would not seek re-election and retire from the practice of law at the end of his term, which would be upcoming in December of 2005. He planned to retire as a District Attorney at the age of 60 years, with 30 plus total years of service in the D.A.'s offices

On 4/15/05, he decided to the day off work, and it should be noted that this was not extremely unusual for him at this time with a mature A.D.A. staff in place as he neared his 30 year mark and his upcoming retirement.

He called his girlfriend, who was also a Centre County courthouse employee, Patty Fornicola, at about 11:15-30 AM from the Centre Hall area as per his cell phone pings to the tower in the area. From her statements, we are told that he said that he was on Route 192, heading toward Lewisburg, and that he wouldn’t be able to walk the dog that afternoon. The dog was Patty's and was elderly with special care needs. That was the last reported contact with anyone who knew him.

Possible sightings on April 15, 2005: A Courthouse worker who was in in Centre Hall said they saw Mr. Gricar turn on Route 192, heading in the direction of Lewisburg.
Sometime between Noon and 2:00 PM, at least three witnesses, including Jennifer Snyder, an employee at the Packwood House Museum, saw Mr. Gricar parked along Water Street, just off of Market Street (Route 45), in Lewisburg. He was the car he was driving, a red 2004 Mini Cooper, between the three spaces across from the museum.
At 3:00 PM, back in Bellefonte, Carolyn Fenton, a law clerk to Judge David Grine, saw Mr. Gricar in a different car, behind the Courthouse. No one corroborated this sighting. Judge Grine could not remember if it was 4/14 or 4/15.
Sometime between 4:00 PM and 5:00 PM, a man driving to Harrisburg from Lock Haven, pulled parallel to a red Mini Cooper near the Country Cupboard on Route 15, just north of Lewisburg. He remembered what the driver looked like. When he saw the story in the newspaper, he recognized Mr. Gricar’s photo.

At about 5:00 PM on April 15, 2005, several adults with no relationship to each other or Mr. Gricar in Lewisburg, PA, reported seeing the Mini Cooper arrive at the parking lot across from the Street of Shop. At least two saw Mr. Gricar carefully choosing a parking space for his brand new shiny Mini Cooper with the personalized license plated " PFo" for his girlfriend's name, Patty Fornicola, as the car was legally hers. There are many photos of the car online. It was bright red, with white wheels and a white top. Standard Mini Cooper, not a convertible or a Clubsman.

Sometime after that, two business owners in the Street of Shops ( common abbrev. SOS) , Brad Alvey and an unidentified vendor, saw Mr. Gricar in the Street of Shops. One saw him with a woman; it looked like they were together to the vendor. The woman was described by LE years later as being tall, slender, neat, in her 40's perhaps, with dark hair. Their demeanor has been described by witnesses as " casually strolling" through the Street of Shops building or buildings. There was no sense of alarm or of urgency noted by witnesses, and some are not at all sure the two were actually together but may have crossed paths in the mall type layout of shops a few times.

Around 11:00 PM that evening, an apparently concerned and worried Patty Fornicola called the police after she'd spent 2 hours at the YMCA, exercising, she said. Within an hour, there was a BOLO code ( which is short for Be On the Look Out) issued on Mr. Gricar. They were looking for the missing District Attorney early and in what is believed to be a wide area, because Patty was able to tell them where Ray said he was calling from in his drive to Lewisburg.

April 16th AM- By the next morning, the Bellefonte Police began calling his friends and co-workers. They also checked his cell phone records and determined that the call was carried by the tower in the Brush Valley area.

On 4/16/05, between 11:30 AM and Noon, two workers in the Street of Shops have reported seeing Ray Gricar there. No mention of the mystery woman with him on the 16th as far as I know.

Around 12:00 PM, the Street of Shops ( or SOS) owner, Craig Bennett, saw him standing on the premises and recognized him. Anecdotally, as to why Mr. Gricar would have an interest in the Street Of Shops building, it is noted that Mr. Gricar is said to have had a hobby of shopping in the antique vendors' booths for antique toys. We do not know the size of the toys he bought and collected nor the genre nor the type: e.g., trains, puzzles, stuffed animals, vintage car model kits, or other. Patty Fornicola has said he collected antique toys as well.

ONE photo I posted at the end of Part 15 this discussion thread is of Patty F.'s house as it appeared when for sale in 2015 ( definitely not professionally staged and decorated but with her furnishings in place) shows what appear to be smallish non- china or glass figurines on top of the china cabinet. Patty was short, Ray was not. I believe these are carved small wooden toys, as there does appear to be painted color on some of them. This leads credence to the presence of small wooden toys in their shared home.
This is all the information that has been released regarding witnesses to Ray Gricar's activities for both days, April 15th and April 16th, 2005.

The searches began on April 16, 2005:
The police began to search for the missing District Attorney in sections of the Brush Valley area, along Route 192, in the afternoon of April 16, 2oo5. This included an aerial search.
At about 6:30 PM, April 16th, the Mini Cooper was discovered by a State Police officer in the parking lot at the Street of Shops, parked on the first row, far end. Mr. Gricar’s cell phone and a water bottle containing no foreign DNA, just his, was inside. There was a trace of cigarette ash found by investigators on the passenger side floor, and when the locked doors were first opened, there was the scent of cigarette smoke. Mr. Gricar, as a non smoker, did not like smoking in his car.
The car was taken to the State Police Barracks in Milton for evidence processing. The PSP has revealed that the car was negative for foreign DNA or foreign non-smudged fingerprints. Ray's fingerprints and DNA were found, and there were smudged fingerprints and a smudged palm print found when the car was processed forensically and released very soon afterwards to Ms. Fornicola.

On 4/17/05, the Susquehanna River was searched from the air. A bloodhound was brought in, in the late morning. The dog detected Mr. Gricar’s scent in the parking lot, but not beyond. It stopped and circled; the handler thought it was indicative of Mr. Gricar getting into another car.

On 4/18/05, there was the famous, or perhaps infamous, news conference with Ms. Fornicola and Mr. Gricar’s daughter, Lara. Photos from the shared press conference show the 2 older women in conversation. They could be sisters, they looked so much alike at that time.
Shortly afterwards, there was a witness sighting in Wilkes-Barre, PA, which was ruled out as being Mr. Gricar.
There was also a witness sighting in May 2005, in Southfield, MI. There were several others, but they have been discounted. The Southfield, MI, sighting was never ruled on at all, and there is possibly a mystery connection to the area for Mr. Gricar. ( the mystery is not case fact but years of speculation).

In late July of 2005, Mr. Gricar’s laptop, minus the hard drive, was found in the water on the northern side of the bridge in Lewisburg; the side without a walking area and, if dropped from a car, the car would be heading toward Lewisburg (and also towards Bellefonte).

Also in July, 2005, Ms. Fornicola was polygraphed; in September that year, Lara Gricar was polygraphed. News releases say they were asked if they knew the whereabouts of Ray Gricar. Both passed. ( This means: Neither knew the whereabouts of Ray Gricar at that time). We do not know if they were asked any other question or if any polygraph has been administered to any other relative or close friend at that time or at any time since.

In September 2005, the drive that fit the computer was found on the shoreline of the Susquehanna across the park from the Packwood House. No data could be recovered from it due to corrosion from the water and erosion from soil particles and debris getting into the drive casing.

In April of 2009 the police released information that Gricar had been doing searches on his home computer for "how to destroy a hard drive" "and similar terms in the months prior to his disappearance.

In May of 2011, Lara Gricar petitioned to her father declared dead; the petition was granted in July of 2011.

End of timeline of known events.

Additional footnotes: Note the absence of a memorial service or any permanent marker for legally dead Mr. Gricar. There is no memorial of any type, not a community service with a cemetery marker, nor even a very appropriate bronze plaque remembering his service in the Bellefonte city park where he and Patty used to eat lunch on sunny days.

There have never been any reports of any bank account activity by Mr. Gricar or reports of his social security number being used post 4/15/2005. Sightings from around the US have been ruled out, including one in Texas at a dubious quality chain restaurant, and one John Doe in prison in a western state was presented by concerned citizens for comparison to Ray Gricar ( I am not aware of the specifics) . The man was not Ray Gricar.

As far as we know today, 13 years and 6 months past, he disappeared from Lewisburg either on April 15, 2005, or by mid-day April 16th, 2005. The last confirmed voice contact by his girlfriend at the time was his call in to the court house on April 15, 2005, at around 11: 30 AM.
There is NO video footage known to exist of him on April 15th, 2o05, or beyond

Thank you for the clarity of the timeline. It is long enough that the case could be re-examined with new DNA technology. And perhaps all case files released.

Was any memorial marker ever established?

This case needs to be solved. PA. Law enforcement, please.

Jmo moo omo
 
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Thank you for the clarity of the timeline. It is long enough that the case could be re-examined with new DNA technology. And perhaps all case files released.

Was any memorial marker ever established?

This case needs to be solved. PA. Law enforcement, please.

Jmo moo omo
No memorial to the best of my knowledge.

They did recover DNA from cigarette butts found outside of the Mini Cooper in Lewisburg, but it was not in a criminal database. More importantly, that DNA may not have been related to the disappearance.
 
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Is there any proper memorial rock, plaque, remembrance spot ? Perhaps at DA, R.G.'s place of work, a nearby park bench, a children's hospital ??

Something should be done to preserve his lifetime of love for justice and the efforts it took.

Mr. Gricar's voice and the blessings he brought seeking justice for others, should not be silenced or left undignified.

jmo moo omo

~ Seek justice, because the victims can not~
 
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So far as I know, there is no memorial of any type.
 
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I know Ray's DNA was found on the water bottle inside the car.....was Ray's prints found inside the car or was it wiped clean?
 
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I know Ray's DNA was found on the water bottle inside the car.....was Ray's prints found inside the car or was it wiped clean?
There were prints that "lacked sufficient ridge characteristics" to be of use and one unidentified. I am not sure where these were located, inside or outside.
 
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Im still hung up on the sightings from Saturday, the day AFTER he went missing. If this was foul play, where did he go Fri night and why would he be allowed to be out in public/broad daylight the next day..nor ask for help!? If it was the walk a way theory, sounds like there was a kink in the plans that set him back a day. Strange though to return to the same place...Ray had to have known he was reported missing by now and people/LE were looking for him.
I wonder how credible these sightings really 🤔 were (?)
 
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Im still hung up on the sightings from Saturday, the day AFTER he went missing. If this was foul play, where did he go Fri night and why would he be allowed to be out in public/broad daylight the next day..nor ask for help!? If it was the walk a way theory, sounds like there was a kink in the plans that set him back a day. Strange though to return to the same place...Ray had to have known he was reported missing by now and people/LE were looking for him.
I wonder how credible these sightings really 🤔 were (?)
Several possibilities:

1. The witnesses are wrong. There are only three that I know of, Bennett and two employees. I think they all knew each other and they may have unintentionally influenced each other.

2. If accurate, there is one murder scenario that fits; he was at a romantic encounter. This was not a planned crime. Under this scenario, he had a rendezvous with the woman, spent the night with her, and was planning to spend much of the day with her. This was maybe a side shopping trip. After that, they went back to where they spent the night. Something happened, a lover's quarrel, an accident, a medical problem. RFG died and the woman, who may have had an S.O., hid the body.

3. The helper brought a car to RFG in Lewisburg. He then drove the helper back, presumably to Centre County, and spent the night at the helper's residence. RFG did not want anyone to connect him with the helper, so he went back to Lewisburg on the morning of 4/16 and made sure he was seen.

Take your pick.
 
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Yes, I definitely get the impression that Ray didn't care if he was seen...daytime hours on a Friday and Saturday in a public place.
The only thing is..if Ray was planning to have a "sleepover " with some woman, I would think he would have told Patty a better alibi..as to not expecting him home that Fri evening.
So many scenarios....if not for the eyewitness accounts, we would have a car in the parking lot and a destroyed laptop.
 
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One point on if RFG would have known that he had been reported missing. The BOLA went out no earlier than 11:30 PM on 4/15/05. That LE was looking for him was not announced publicly until 5:30 PM on 4/16, when the BPD had a press conference. Centre County is in the Johnstown-Altoona media market. Union County, where Lewisburg is located is in the Scranton-Wilkes Barre media market. The story would not hit the local news in Lewisburg from that press conference. The story hit the Internet at about 10:45 PM on 4/16, and I think was on CNN on 4/17.

At 11:30 AM on 4/16/05, there would be no way for RFG to know that he had reported missing. He might have thought PEF wouldn't call LE until the morning of 4/16 and that they wouldn't do anything until he had missing 24-48 hours. It is interesting to note that Craig Bennett, et al., saw RFG almost exactly 24 hours after the last contact with PEF. Bennett, of course, had no way to know when that last contact was.

Yes, I definitely get the impression that Ray didn't care if he was seen...daytime hours on a Friday and Saturday in a public place.
The only thing is..if Ray was planning to have a "sleepover " with some woman, I would think he would have told Patty a better alibi..as to not expecting him home that Fri evening.
So many scenarios....if not for the eyewitness accounts, we would have a car in the parking lot and a destroyed laptop.

Maybe on the alibi to PEF, but there was also that Cleveland trip while married to EG, so I don't how much he cared. I don't know if their relationship was "open" or not.

We do have physical evidence that RFG was in Lewisburg; his scent was in the parking lot. We don't the day the scent was left.
 
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In some of the notes in the file, LE was looking a check made out cash for $10,000 by RFG. Now, that is the maximum about of cash you can carry legally (unless you are in certain exempt businesses).

There are legitimate purchases that might require that, but I don't know if LE ever accounted for where the money went.
 
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so good to read these wise and thinking sleuthies thoughts ! Ray Gricar popped into my head a couple of days ago and I popped to see if anything new has been found or discussion revived !
 
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so good to read these wise and thinking sleuthies thoughts ! Ray Gricar popped into my head a couple of days ago and I popped to see if anything new has been found or discussion revived !
Every time I see a red Mini Cooper I think of him.
 
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@J. J. in Phila ..maybe you would know the answer to this question...
Is it public information as to the description the witnesses gave of Ray on both Fri and Sat? I would like to know what each of them said Ray was wearing to see if they all gave the same attire description for Fri.
As for Sat, im curious if Ray was seen in the same clothing as the day before.
I cannot find a detailed account of witness statements as to a description of Ray on those 2 days.
I know Ray left his work phone in the Mini Cooper. What ever became of his personal cell phone and what info is there on the last incoming and outgoing calls?
 
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@J. J. in Phila ..maybe you would know the answer to this question...
Is it public information as to the description the witnesses gave of Ray on both Fri and Sat? I would like to know what each of them said Ray was wearing to see if they all gave the same attire description for Fri.
As for Sat, im curious if Ray was seen in the same clothing as the day before.
I cannot find a detailed account of witness statements as to a description of Ray on those 2 days.
I know Ray left his work phone in the Mini Cooper. What ever became of his personal cell phone and what info is there on the last incoming and outgoing calls?
As far as I know, yes, but here is the problem. RFG was wearing a fleece and jeans. Fleece is outer wear, so it would not be unusual to wear it two days in row, anymore than wearing the same jacket on two cold days.

Jeans are also an issue. I do wear the same ones two days in a row, unless I sweat a lot or spill something on them. Even if I didn't, most pairs look alike.

It is a good question and I try will to get a definitive answer.
 
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BTW: I had some problems getting on, but I do still maintain my blogger email: [email protected]

I do not check it daily, but I do still check it every 3-4 days.
 
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In some of the notes in the file, LE was looking a check made out cash for $10,000 by RFG. Now, that is the maximum about of cash you can carry legally (unless you are in certain exempt businesses).

There are legitimate purchases that might require that, but I don't know if LE ever accounted for where the money went.

wait, he made out a check for 10K in cash? that's weird considering his expenses etc. he has exhibited a reluctance to finance things so maybe it jives but hmmm. unless he didn't buy something...this is just more the same mysterious info about Ray.

first off making the check to cash indicates the payee doesn't wish to have connection to the transaction on paper.

could be he gave someone a loan

could be he paid someone to do something under the table like paint his house etc. and they don't have documentation or an account to cash a check.

could be a bought something from an independent seller on the down low.

10K cash with no payee is suss for so many reasons . also such a large amount of cash, as you say " the limit"

can they prove ray wrote this check? Do you know when it was written?

mOO
 
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@J. J. in Phila ..maybe you would know the answer to this question...
Is it public information as to the description the witnesses gave of Ray on both Fri and Sat? I would like to know what each of them said Ray was wearing to see if they all gave the same attire description for Fri.
As for Sat, im curious if Ray was seen in the same clothing as the day before.
I cannot find a detailed account of witness statements as to a description of Ray on those 2 days.
I know Ray left his work phone in the Mini Cooper. What ever became of his personal cell phone and what info is there on the last incoming and outgoing calls?
Just heard from Craig Bennett. He described it as a "navy blue windbreaker and jeans." Bennett had see him standing there for about 10 minutes, so it wasn't a fleeting glimpse.

As far as I know, the only cell phone RFG had was the county issued one.
 

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