GUILTY PA - Ellen Robb, 49, beaten to death, Montgomery County, 22 Dec 2006

[fran]

You're probably right Fran. There is no statute of limitations on murder.

I think that was one of many mistakes made in the OJ trial. If they'd given him a little more time, OJ may have fashioned his own noose.

You're right Pepper, that was just the first of MANY mistakes the DA made in the OJ trial, which in turn led to even MORE. I believe the OJ case will go down in history as one of the biggest s#@% - ups of all time! They arrested OJ wayyyy too soon, eventhough he was a POI (aka as 'suspect').

It was just the beginning of using DNA at trial and took months, at times, to get the results back. Johnny Cochran played on that and KNEW by going for the 'speedy trial,' there was NO WAY they could have all their ducks-in-a-row. He was absolutely right!

I believe they may not have ALL the forensic evidence back yet in this case, but some, and 'other' circumstatial evidence which is pointing them in the right direction.
They've given him a heads-up, wonder if that was some sort of a 'game play' they're trying out on him? (Since he likes to play games and work out strategy.) :slap:

JMHO
fran

 

[Neighbor2]

Can't imagine that, but I have been wondering if the good professor and/or his attorney are reading all this! I trust the daughter isn't. . . .

(Note: Another post went in right before mine while I was typing, so just to clarify, I was responding to OhDear's question asking if persons of interest ever come on these message boards.)

 

[fran]

Has there ever been a time where the accused or "persons of interest" showed up on this board to defend themselves or talk about the case?

I wouldn't doubt if we haven't been 'visited' by POI in the past before they were arrested. I believe SP was watching a few of the crime blogs before he lost control of the situation and Amber appeared.

I also suspect that during the SP case, before trial, there was someone who I believe may have been a family member who posted here. They were eventually banned. LOL, they couldn't take the heat at times and would get..................testy. :razz: .......It was interesting, to say the least.

We also have another case similar to this one, Michelle Young out of NC who was bludgeoned to death in her home, (see her forum here on WS), and early on there were several posters over at the CTV board who it appeared were either the 'POI' or a 'friend,' trying to put out information to take the eye of the husband.

JMHO
fran

 

[Neighbor2]

I wouldn't doubt if we haven't been 'visited' by POI in the past before they were arrested. I believe SP was watching a few of the crime blogs before he lost control of the situation and Amber appeared.

I also suspect that during the SP case, before trial, there was someone who I believe may have been a family member who posted here. They were eventually banned. LOL, they couldn't take the heat at times and would get..................testy. :razz: .......It was interesting, to say the least.

We also have another case similar to this one, Michelle Young out of NC who was bludgeoned to death in her home, (see her forum here on WS), and early on there were several posters over at the CTV board who it appeared were either the 'POI' or a 'friend,' trying to put out information to take the eye of the husband.

JMHO
fran

Thanks, Fran for that history. I think one of things that makes this thread so interesting is the fact that there are several of us (about 4 by my count) who actually know the victim and her husband. I haven't seen that in any other cases in this blog (but I haven't looked at all of them either!) I do soemtimes wonder if we are hurting, helping, having no effect,(on the case) or just making it more personal? Anyone have any thoughts?

 

[Pepper]

I don't know about the POIs but I'm reasonably sure the defense attorneys read here - especially those involved in a high profile case, as this one has become.

 

[Neighbor2]

Another question for those who've been at this longer than I have -- I see all the coments about not rushing to arrest as in OJ case. What do you think can be gained here by waiting (in this case). Is there something the professor might do/say? What, other than DNA evidence coming back, might be DA be looking to happen? I do suppose it's possible Dr. Robb has hidden the weapon/bloody clothes somewhere and will dispose of them, but I don't think that's likely.

 

[fran]

Thanks, Fran for that history. I think one of things that makes this thread so interesting is the fact that there are several of us (about 4 by my count) who actually know the victim and her husband. I haven't seen that in any other cases in this blog (but I haven't looked at all of them either!) I do soemtimes wonder if we are hurting, helping, having no effect,(on the case) or just making it more personal? Anyone have any thoughts?

I haven't seen a thread on WS where there were so many 'friends' of the victim or POI and i've been here for a few years. I believe, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, often times the mods will recommend that friends or family stay away from the forum, especially if it becomes too emotional for them. It often times brings out stuff, or references someone and the 'friend' becomes offended or whatever.

There is one case in particular we were following and a regular on our board became involved because of a close family member's personal relationship with ONE of the POI. It really did cause quite a stir and she eventually left. FWIW, the POI her family member was in contact with ended up not being the perp. She tried to tell us that, but you know some people didn't believe her and carried on...

Having so many friends of the victim contribute does make it more personal for us WSers, but if it ever gets too emotional for you, feel free to leave and don't worry about us. We understand perfectly. I'm sure you all have enough on your plate just with what has happened, let alone adding fuel by our sometimes wild speculations.

I've heard that sometimes LE does cruise our boards. I know one case in particular, the Daniel VanDam kidnap and murder case was aided by a poster. It had something to do with a piece of evidence found in the murderers motorhome, a strand of hair, the length of the hair and the fact the child had just had her hair cut. It ended up being one of the key pieces of evidence against the now convicted killer, David Westerfield. IIRC, the fact was first brought up on the CTV board, a fact the DA had overlooked.

Also the SP murder trial ended up having two posters from CTV being subpoened by the pros for some pictures they took during trial of the Peterson home (when they traveled from Ariz to Calif to attend a few days of the trial). The judge and pros and def met in judges chambers and the def agreed to stand-down with objections of a certain item (cement), thus making the posters testimony unnecessary and the pros won on the issue. (which aided the pros, btw).

But we do enjoy the 'personal touch' given by friends and family and hope you all stick around. We realize you can't tell us EVERYTHING you MAY know and that's ok. We're all just arm-chair sleuths trying to figure it out. Often times your 'personal insight' helps us to figure out if we're on the right track or not.

JMHO
fran

 

[fran]

Another question for those who've been at this longer than I have -- I see all the coments about not rushing to arrest as in OJ case. What do you think can be gained here by waiting (in this case). Is there something the professor might do/say? What, other than DNA evidence coming back, might be DA be looking to happen? I do suppose it's possible Dr. Robb has hidden the weapon/bloody clothes somewhere and will dispose of them, but I don't think that's likely.

Well, ...........let's just say we've seen them 'wait-it-out' with other suspects and the POI dug himself in further. :banghead:

We don't want to give anyone any ideas IF they happen to be watching.

JMHO
fran

 

[fran]

I don't know about the POIs but I'm reasonably sure the defense attorneys read here - especially those involved in a high profile case, as this one has become.

LOL, remember the Peterson jury questionairre?

They wanted to know what their computer usage consisted of or something like that. Like, any crime blogs???

JMHO
fran

 

[Pepper]

LOL, remember the Peterson jury questionairre?

They wanted to know what their computer usage consisted of or something like that. Like, any crime blogs???

JMHO
fran

Yeah, posting here could exempt everyone from jury duty.

 

[Hedidit]

Time will tell I guess, his attorney sounds as if he expects him to be arrested any day now.

Factsarefacts, why do you say that?

 

[lisafremont]

Another question for those who've been at this longer than I have -- I see all the coments about not rushing to arrest as in OJ case. What do you think can be gained here by waiting (in this case). Is there something the professor might do/say? What, other than DNA evidence coming back, might be DA be looking to happen? I do suppose it's possible Dr. Robb has hidden the weapon/bloody clothes somewhere and will dispose of them, but I don't think that's likely.

It's my opinion that he already disposed of the clothes and they are either in the wind or they have been found and LE is waiting for forensics. (I hope.)

And btw, Neighbor2, meant as a helpful aside, you might want to reference another post if you wish to respond and "quote" it as I have done yours above. It is easily done. Instead of clicking REPLY, in the lower right you will see a button QUOTE. Click that and a reply window will open and the post you want to respond to and reference will appear, good to go.

And if you wish not to quote the whole thing, just part of it, you can just delete any part and type <snip> which indicates that the post has been truncated. Hope that helps!

 

[AWL]

Thanks, Fran for that history. I think one of things that makes this thread so interesting is the fact that there are several of us (about 4 by my count) who actually know the victim and her husband. I haven't seen that in any other cases in this blog (but I haven't looked at all of them either!) I do soemtimes wonder if we are hurting, helping, having no effect,(on the case) or just making it more personal? Anyone have any thoughts?

I was a friend of Ellen's, my daughter is Olivia's friend, and I know from talking and seeing Olivia over the past few weeks since Ellen's murder, that Olivia has been seeing her friends, getting out and, I guess, with the help of so many concerned and caring friends of hers and their parents, is being helped to try and have some normalcy in very abnormal circumstances and conditions. Family friends, school friends, camp friends - so many people have reached out to Olivia to bring her some diversion and a little levity during this terrible sad time. I have no idea how much she knows about the grisly details or what she's been told to "not discuss".

I've been reading everyone's comments for the past week and wanted to say that I understand how you are all concerned and worried about Olivia's well being. Ellen would be so comforted that so many people have reached out in spirit and thought and words. I don't think she would have thought so much attention and caring would have come forth as the aftetrmath of of this terrible thing done to her. She would have been so thankful, appreciative and grateful. I am worried about Olivia as well. I trust and feel that Ellen's brothers and their famillies, and Ellen's mother will be there for Olivia, if things change, to help her though this difficult time

I can't say much more for too many reasons. I will only address a previous post and say that I know Raffi's mother is in Israel- I think in a big city, but don't know where. I know he visited her a number of times in 2006, and I could be wrong, but I think Ellen did as well. I don't know about any siblings or family here.

I, like all of you who knew Ellen and the family, have not recovered from the shock of her senseless and brutal muder and wait everyday for some answers, and some justice. We're all in the same position of having no control and being in that awful waiting game. I only hope that swift answers are here SOON and justice will be served. I worry about the sorry wake this justice might create.

 

[Pepper]

AWL thank you for your insight.

Assuming that Raffi did commit this horrible crime, and I must say that it looks very much like he did it, I just can't fathom how someone with a child or children can deprive that child of one parent, and most likely both parents. How unbelievably selfish is this?

Trying to put myself in the child's place, your mother is snatched away due to some senseless crime, and then your father places himself in the position of probably being convicted of that crime, only to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison? Where's the gain? Where's the justification for depriving your minor child of BOTH parents?

No amount of money is worth this loss - to everyone involved - family and friends.

When are these sorry-asses going to learn that despite their book smarts, their PhDs, their fame (Michael Peterson), their charisma, their looks (S. Peterson), they are no match for today's technology and a well-trained homicide unit?

There is absolutely nothing in this world that I would risk sacrificing one day of freedom for, yet alone a lifetime. NOTHING. Yet over and over and over again we hear of spousal murder. Why can't they see the absurdity of this solution to a bad relationship?

 

[FactsareFacts]

Factsarefacts, why do you say that?

Sorry to take so long to respond Hedidit

His Lawyer made the comment on GVS. I believe he was quoted as saying he would not be surprised if his client were arrested before the 12pm deadline the DA made public.

Speaking of which, I thought it odd the DA mentioning in his press conference he gave them until noon to turn over any exculpatory evidence. His Lawyer commented they had nothing more to give them, but nothing was said or done at noon. :waitasec:

 

[Hedidit]

AWL, thanks for posting such a kind and caring post about Ellen. In all this, so much attention has been focused on that monster and the horrific crime (no words will ever be able to describe what he did) that he committed. Thank you for reminding us all, especially her friends, what a special person Ellen was and, you are right, she would be so touched to know that so many have reached out to Olivia and care so much about her well being. I can see Ellen smiling!!!

 

[Hedidit]

I wouldn't doubt if we haven't been 'visited' by POI in the past before they were arrested. I believe SP was watching a few of the crime blogs before he lost control of the situation and Amber appeared.

I also suspect that during the SP case, before trial, there was someone who I believe may have been a family member who posted here. They were eventually banned. LOL, they couldn't take the heat at times and would get..................testy. :razz: .......It was interesting, to say the least.

We also have another case similar to this one, Michelle Young out of NC who was bludgeoned to death in her home, (see her forum here on WS), and early on there were several posters over at the CTV board who it appeared were either the 'POI' or a 'friend,' trying to put out information to take the eye of the husband.

JMHO
fran

Fran, I'm guessing, so far, that there haven't been any posts to put out false information, as I've read them all. That's something to keep in mind though.

Good thing Raffi was socially retarded and didn't have any friends who 'might' (and I use that word loosely) want to help him out!!!

Okay, anger is starting to boil again.....time to sign off!

 

[AWL]

AWL thank you for your insight.

Assuming that Raffi did commit this horrible crime, and I must say that it looks very much like he did it, I just can't fathom how someone with a child or children can deprive that child of one parent, and most likely both parents. How unbelievably selfish is this?QUOTE]



I think when he realized Ellen meant business (he didn't take her seriously years ago, her unhappiness went bythe wayside) there must have been a fight, some threats and accusations, his rage and a nuclear fit/explosion. Controlling behavior to the max. The threat of loosing Olivia sent him over the edge maybe. Who knows how close to the surface that edge was? Then the sloppy cover up. And deny deny deny. No weapon, bloody clothes... he's going to keep denying and stay focused on being there for Olivia.

 

[AWL]

AWL, thanks for posting such a kind and caring post about Ellen. In all this, so much attention has been focused on that monster and the horrific crime (no words will ever be able to describe what he did) that he committed. Thank you for reminding us all, especially her friends, what a special person Ellen was and, you are right, she would be so touched to know that so many have reached out to Olivia and care so much about her well being. I can see Ellen smiling!!!

We are Ellen's village.
I can only hope Ellen watches in another dimension knowing she has an army of friends who have talked up in many ways, when possible, to help bring justice swiftly in... but being Ellen she'll know the possible consequences as well, and is wringing her hands. In another development, her immediate family will have to swoop in and take over with Olivia.

 

[AWL]

Good thing Raffi was socially retarded and didn't have any friends who 'might' (and I use that word loosely) want to help him out!!! QUOTE]

You might not want to hear this but Raffi does have a few people on his side. People who have been in his life for years connected through children. Someone lawyered him up. There are a few people who don't want to believe he's guilty of this horrific crime. For Olivia's sake, for their own sake.

We'd all like to believe this is a bad dream, but it's not.