GUILTY PA - Ellen Robb, 49, beaten to death, Montgomery County, 22 Dec 2006

[fran]

Do they think he still has the weapon somewhere?

I don't know if they think he still has the weapon. He probably got rid of it when he got rid of his clothing. But, LE does believe it was a tool from the garage.

Apparently everything was orderly in the garage, with all of the tools hung in a row on the wall. However, there's an EMPTY space, which LE thinks (I believe) the weapon was from. It could have been a hoe, a shovel, or something like that. Probably a garden type tool. IMO

JMHO
fran

 

[fran]

That is my recollection as well. There are also some driveways that you can't block, a bus stop and a couple of hydrants. It is nearly impossible to get a spot there. Most of the Wawa patrons are students on foot.

So the 'parking ticket' was part of the 'staging' of the crime. ie part of his alibi.

This is the same as breaking the glass in the door. He did it right, from the outside inwards. He just forgot to WALK through it. :doh:

What a dumby. :razz:

JMHO
fran

 

[Clearly Confused]

So the 'parking ticket' was part of the 'staging' of the crime. ie part of his alibi.

JMHO
fran

IMO...100%

 

[yadler]

Thanks. I only accessed this forum this morning so don't know all that much about Robb's background. Yet. Sorry.

 

[fran]

Thanks. I only accessed this forum this morning so don't know all that much about Robb's background. Yet. Sorry.

yadler:
No need to apologize. There's so many of these and recently they've been coming in so fast, it's hard to keep track!

JMHO
fran

 

[nanandjim]

So the 'parking ticket' was part of the 'staging' of the crime. ie part of his alibi.

This is the same as breaking the glass in the door. He did it right, from the outside inwards. He just forgot to WALK through it. :doh:

What a dumby. :razz:

JMHO
fran

I don't think that he did much right. He sounds like a selfish pain in the butt as well as an idiot. I do believe that he was seething since discovering that his wife was still going through with divorce plans and that she was about to get a part of HIS money. He is such a coward. He caught her totally off guard. I think the only motive for the murder was money. I think that it had nothing to do with his daughter as I feel certain that the wife would have allowed his unfettered access to her.

 

[fran]

IMHO, and knowing what we do about this prof teaching game strategy, I believe this was premeditated from the get-go! He planned out he'd do this when the daughter was at school and many of the neighbors off to work. He did several things that showed premeditation, such as:

locking the dog in a bedroom,

using a tool from the garage (what was he doing taking a tool from the garage into the kitchen?),

taking his clothes off in the garage,

breaking the glass in the door

striking her from behind (surprize attack)

saying he was at the fruit store for 40 minutes (the clerk knows him as a regular and said he wasn't there that morning)

getting a ticket at the WaWa, where he's familiar with the terms of parking

going to school just long enough to prove he was there (turning in his student's grades)

returning home JUST BEFORE his daughter was due home from school.

Claiming he set down his stuff and touched his wife's face (to explain, before asked, should any of HIS bloodied fingerprints show up)

No, this wasn't done without forethought ............he had a game plan. The problem is, he wasn't well versed in LE's game so he miscalculated his plays and he lost. :behindbar

JMHO
fran

 

[yadler]

Scandi:
I am getting vcaught up but thought I'd remark that unles one is schooled in forensics or follows evidentiary proof in "our" murder cases, one doesn't know squat. This Robb might well be a case in point.
A situation arose this morning from a source who doesn't watch the news and or any trials or forensic TV shows: she wanted to prove to me that a particular man had sent her pornographic images. She showed the picture to me and I answered that this is likely a cut and paste job. She then came back with her log, "proving" to me who sent it. I called her an amateur and that only a forensic computer expert, together with the sender's hardrive can prove anything. So, Robb might well have committed nothing but blunders.

 

[yadler]

Or the Peterson family having Christmas dinner 24 hours after Laci "disappeared." What was it that Arthur March said recently when asked if moving his former daughter-in-laws's bones? They were just bones at that point without any former memory of the person involved. A sociopath is a sociopath.

 

[jubie]

And of all the stupid things to say...40 minutes in a fruit store to buy 'a' bag of fruit? Just building his BS alilbi.

Also he had to have something laid out in the garage to stand on while he changed into clean clothes and shoes. I'm sure that all got wrapped up along with the murder weapon. If only Olivia could be sure of what he was wearing when he dropped her off at school... it sure wasn't what he was wearing when he 'discovered' Ellen.


Jubie

 

[luthersmama]

And of all the stupid things to say...40 minutes in a fruit store to buy 'a' bag of fruit? Just building his BS alilbi.

Also he had to have something laid out in the garage to stand on while he changed into clean clothes and shoes. I'm sure that all got wrapped up along with the murder weapon. If only Olivia could be sure of what he was wearing when he dropped her off at school... it sure wasn't what he was wearing when he 'discovered' Ellen.


Jubie

I believe he said that he showered and changed before going to Penn. So he wouldn't be wearing the clothes Olivia saw him in anyway. He might have actually been just in his undies when he killed her. The killer had boots on, but we don't know whether he was wearing anything else.

 

[5bigfish5]

I would like to believe that Robb really loves Olivia. Tho, I can't imagine the kind of love that would allow for a father to kill their child's/children's mother, but it happens all the time.

I have been trying to remember what I remember about being 12. My first horse, my first "crush", losing my first grandparent. What little was left of Olivia's childhood has been ripped away from her.

I firmly believe that this murder was fueled by the importance of the almighty dollar. Nothing more.

Let's hope Robb does the right thing and eventually pleads guilty to spare Olivia the memories of a trial, and to also insure her financial future, instead of wasting all the money on his sorry azz.

But, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[nanandjim]

...If only Olivia could be sure of what he was wearing when he dropped her off at school...

Good point. I feel certain the police asked her this question.

 

[nanandjim]

I would like to believe that Robb really loves Olivia.

I believe that he really does love his daughter. However, I think that he was focused on the money aspect and that is what drove him to beat his wife to a pulp.

 

[Clearly Confused]

Scandi:
I am getting vcaught up but thought I'd remark that unles one is schooled in forensics or follows evidentiary proof in "our" murder cases, one doesn't know squat. This Robb might well be a case in point.
A situation arose this morning from a source who doesn't watch the news and or any trials or forensic TV shows: she wanted to prove to me that a particular man had sent her pornographic images. She showed the picture to me and I answered that this is likely a cut and paste job. She then came back with her log, "proving" to me who sent it. I called her an amateur and that only a forensic computer expert, together with the sender's hardrive can prove anything. So, Robb might well have committed nothing but blunders.

These professors are very intelligent but dumb as stumps. It makes ya wonder how they make it out in the real world..lol

 

[Morag]

?? park car in front of Wawa.

11:52 get parking ticket in front of Wawa.

11:56 purchase soda.

drink soda* while walking to car

?? leave Wawa.

drive 50 minutes from Wawa to home.

?? arrive at home.

1:45 call police.


Assuming he didn't spend a lot of time sitting in his already-ticketed car, drinking soda, he must have left there at about noon, yet he didn't call LE until 1:45. He may have been at the house for about an hour before calling.
Detectives observed that numerous neighborhood houses were apparently vacant. Dr. Robb would have known that no one would be there to observe his goings and comings.

*He drank a 20 ounce soda? No wonder he had to *** when he got home.

 

[5bigfish5]

?? park car in front of Wawa.

11:52 get parking ticket in front of Wawa.

11:56 purchase soda.

drink soda* while walking to car

?? leave Wawa.

drive 50 minutes from Wawa to home.

?? arrive at home.

1:45 call police.


Assuming he didn't spend a lot of time sitting in his already-ticketed car, drinking soda, he must have left there at about noon, yet he didn't call LE until 1:45. He may have been at the house for about an hour before calling.
Detectives observed that numerous neighborhood houses were apparently vacant. Dr. Robb would have known that no one would be there to observe his goings and comings.

*He drank a 20 ounce soda? No wonder he had to *** when he got home.

LOL @ the "sandbox" comment.

But, you bring up a very valid point. Guess the dear Professor's time line was off, even after amending his original statement. Oops!

Good Job!

 

[yadler]

Ditto, Scandi. What do you make of the affidavite's mentioning of the "clutter" in the house? When I'm depressed, I clean up a storm.

 

[scandi]

Hi Yadler, I thught that was really interesting. He probably has done nothing since she died, and there are some families that save everything. LOL I've known several that just can't seem to throw anything out.

He's been walking around looking kind of slumped, plodding along with that slow gait with his right foot turned out. Yikes, what a piece of work! I wonder if he hurt his foot in the foree?

Do you think it was odder than odd he asked the window guy if he wanted to have a drink sometime? Hmmmmm

I don't even want to envision his room where he locks the door on a regular basis. I wondered what he has to hide in there, and wonder if the cops found anything interesting. Bet there are dirty dishes, bananna peels and apple cores and magazines of number puzzles stacked high one on top of the other. Sloppy, slow movin' but with a violent temper when vexed, he is as I said one crappy piece of work!

Hey, good to see ya Yadler!

 

[luthersmama]

Ditto, Scandi. What do you make of the affidavite's mentioning of the "clutter" in the house? When I'm depressed, I clean up a storm.

I was thinking that the "clutter" was due partly to Ellen's packing to move. She and Olivia were planning to go away for the weekend, which would leave just a couple of days after Christmas to clear out to her new apartment by Jan 1.

Raffi probably saw this as Ellen taking his stuff.