PA - Engine Failure on Southwest Flight Kills One

[Blondie in Spokane]

'They pulled her in and we started CPR': How a retired nurse, ranch hand and firefighter tried desperately to save life of mother with 'significant' head injuries who was sucked out of window on Southwest Airlines flight


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ied-save-mother-sucked-out.html#ixzz5D5HUBbBv

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

“Peggy Phillips was sitting in front of Jennifer Riordan on WN Flight 1380 from New York to Dallas on Tuesday when the left engine exploded and sent shrapnel flying through the window Riordan was sitting next to.”

“The woman from Albuquerque, New Mexico, was pulled out through the hole and suffered 'significant' facial and head injuries, Phillips said.”

“The freak accident caused even more chaos on the already frantic flight but Phillips, firefighter Andrew Needum and Tim McGinty, a ranch hand who was traveling with his wife, snapped into action to try to save Riordan.”

“McGinty pulled her back into her seat with Needum's help. Then he and Phillips began performing CPR as McGinty, who was dressed in a cowboy hat, tried to cover the hole.”

“The window had broken and the suction, the negative pressure, had pulled her outside the plane partially.”

“These two wonderful men the EMT and a passenger managed to get her back inside the plane and we lay her down and we started CPR,' Phillips told ABC.”


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ied-save-mother-sucked-out.html#ixzz5D5JySsRw

 

[Betty P]

Finally.

Southwest Flight 1380: FAA orders fan blade inspections

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...0-faa-orders-fan-blade-inspections/531422002/

Metal fatigue – microscopic cracks that can splinter open under the kind of stress placed on jetliners and their engines – was blamed for an engine failure on a Southwest plane in Florida in 2016. Both that plane and the jet that made a harrowing emergency landing Tuesday in Philadelphia were powered by CFM56 engines.

Manufacturer CFM International, a joint venture of General Electric Co. and France’s Safran SA, recommended last June that airlines using certain CFM56 engines conduct ultrasonic inspections to look for cracks.

European regulators began requiring the ultrasonic inspections last month. The FAA had issued a recommendation to do so late last year, but didn't make it a requirement. Now it has. Kind of sad that someone has to die before action is taken.


'Tremendous force': What happens when a hole opens on a plane in flight

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...gency-landing-science-air-pressure/528814002/

Since the hole was too small, and other passengers pulled her back into the plane, Riordon was not sucked out entirely. But if the hole had been big enough, Anderson said, the differences in pressure could have sucked the seat entirely out, with a passenger still buckled in.

He said seat belts might not even be strong enough to keep a passenger from being sucked out of a plane.

Immediately reducing altitude is key to equalizing pressure between the inside and outside of a plane, and that's just what the pilot did.

 

[will4u]

We had a lighting direct strike one time and I saw it out the window. Scared me really bad. Nobody noticed it and pilot never said anything. Didnt affect anything luckily. It was scary though to see it happen.

planes get hit by lightning all the time,

when flying in an airplane, lightning should really be the least of your concerns, even if a plane does get hit, it has no effect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXrqTUVN7G8

 

[Betty P]

planes get hit by lightning all the time,

when flying in an airplane, lightning should really be the least of your concerns, even if a plane does get hit, it has no effect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXrqTUVN7G8

Damage and crashes from lightning strikes are pretty rare, but it has happened

http://lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lls/avaition_losses.html

 

[CARIIS]

tid bits !

One flight attendant on the Aloha flight was sucked out and never found. It was a watershed accident and resulted in massive overhaul of metal fatigue in the aviation industry

the firefighter is on now he most certainly is not an orator goodness

certainly not being rude but the pilot did not do anything spectacular. All aircraft are designed to fly with engine failure.

The 737 engine placement is such that losing one does not result in directional control issues unless hydraulic fluid is lost.

She did not have any hydrologic issues -- that seems to be a media misstatement -- flaps were extended spoilers used rudder worked stabilizer worked all hydro controlled flight systems

I followed United 232 intensily.

The reason why 232 Sioux CIty crashed was in the Dc-10 at the time all the hydraulic tubing ended up in the same place in the tail so the sharpnel severed all four hydraulic systems.

All were redsigned after wards.

Captain Haynes had very little control - very little

they had to use engines to steer plane could only make right turns had no abiltiy to slow down had only one attempt they were doing amazing then the right wingtip contacted the ground and the crash sequence started

they were also lucky a super duper DC 10 pilot was on the plane, he came up and helped controlling the engines. THey basically spooled one up while spooling the other one down when they wanted to nudge the plane in a direction

he was not seatbelted in while in the cockpit

what caused the crash was one grain of sand that was not caught when the engine disk was manufactured years and years earlier

it was a bit different than this one the problem was in the disk not in the blades themselves

I will never forget the first time (larry King) i saw the crash

The corn fields saved a lot of people - some actually walked away right after

Cockpit voice recorder in background

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAiYkX-Woh0



The dude in the cilp has the prettiest blue eyes I have ever seen ha! around 510!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhSoyUWDmt0

this is not the first time

3 November 1973; National Airlines DC10; over New Mexico, USA: The aircraft had an uncontained failure of one of the wing mounted engines. A piece of the engine struck the fuselage and broke a passenger window. One of the 116 passengers was sucked out of the aircraft during a rapid decompression. The remains of the passenger were not found.

Dc - 10 had a rough history. The entire fleet was grounded at one point in its history and no Dc-10s from other countries were permitted to land anywhere in the nation after a different crash (Americian 191) .The program never recovered really.

The model is responsible for the 10th and forth deadliest crashes in aviation history.


Visually a blade seperating is kinda like this

just imagine one breaking off

united 232 was the disk in the center not the blades that started everything (speck of sand in it)

http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/dc10.htm

http://lessonslearned.faa.gov/ll_main.cfm?TabID=4&LLID=17&LLTypeID=2

united 232

here is aloma air Hat was talking about -- cause salt water corrosion and Aloha does very short segments -- everytime the takeoff and land they expand and contract - so with salt water environ and frequent cycles it finally happened

and they say Chicago is windy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2gku5KqqcQ

A british Air pilot got sucked out when windscreen failed and survived

they held him in by his legs until they landed

I will shut up now!

 

[gregjrichards]

tid bits !

One flight attendant on the Aloha flight was sucked out and never found. It was a watershed accident and resulted in massive overhaul of metal fatigue in the aviation industry

the firefighter is on now he most certainly is not an orator goodness

certainly not being rude but the pilot did not do anything spectacular. All aircraft are designed to fly with engine failure.

The 737 engine placement is such that losing one does not result in directional control issues unless hydraulic fluid is lost.

She did not have any hydrologic issues -- that seems to be a media misstatement -- flaps were extended spoilers used rudder worked stabilizer worked all hydro controlled flight systems

I followed United 232 intensily.

The reason why 232 Sioux CIty crashed was in the Dc-10 at the time all the hydraulic tubing ended up in the same place in the tail so the sharpnel severed all four hydraulic systems.

All were redsigned after wards.

Captain Haynes had very little control - very little

they had to use engines to steer plane could only make right turns had no abiltiy to slow down had only one attempt they were doing amazing then the right wingtip contacted the ground and the crash sequence started

they were also lucky a super duper DC 10 pilot was on the plane, he came up and helped controlling the engines. THey basically spooled one up while spooling the other one down when they wanted to nudge the plane in a direction

he was not seatbelted in while in the cockpit

what caused the crash was one grain of sand that was not caught when the engine disk was manufactured years and years earlier

it was a bit different than this one the problem was in the disk not in the blades themselves

I will never forget the first time (larry King) i saw the crash

The corn fields saved a lot of people - some actually walked away right after

Cockpit voice recorder in background

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAiYkX-Woh0



The dude in the cilp has the prettiest blue eyes I have ever seen ha! around 510!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhSoyUWDmt0

this is not the first time

3 November 1973; National Airlines DC10; over New Mexico, USA: The aircraft had an uncontained failure of one of the wing mounted engines. A piece of the engine struck the fuselage and broke a passenger window. One of the 116 passengers was sucked out of the aircraft during a rapid decompression. The remains of the passenger were not found.

Dc - 10 had a rough history. The entire fleet was grounded at one point in its history and no Dc-10s from other countries were permitted to land anywhere in the nation after a different crash (Americian 191) .The program never recovered really.

The model is responsible for the 10th and forth deadliest crashes in aviation history.


Visually a blade seperating is kinda like this

just imagine one breaking off

united 232 was the disk in the center not the blades that started everything (speck of sand in it)

http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/dc10.htm

http://lessonslearned.faa.gov/ll_main.cfm?TabID=4&LLID=17&LLTypeID=2

united 232

here is aloma air Hat was talking about -- cause salt water corrosion and Aloha does very short segments -- everytime the takeoff and land they expand and contract - so with salt water environ and frequent cycles it finally happened

and they say Chicago is windy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2gku5KqqcQ

A british Air pilot got sucked out when windscreen failed and survived

they held him in by his legs until they landed

I will shut up now!

This is enough to put me off flying for life.

 

[fabvab]

Here is a video containing the entire conversation between pilot Shults and the tower along with visualization/radar. Very interesting video. The calmness and composure displayed by all is amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnSizWZVyD4

 

[gregjrichards]

Here is a video containing the entire conversation between pilot Shults and the tower along with visualization/radar. Very interesting video. The calmness and composure displayed by all is amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnSizWZVyD4

Wow both the pilot and air traffic control are so calm and professional I definitely could not do either job.

I just hope and pray a movie is not made of this tragedy. Sully was a good movie but it just wouldn’t be right to make one of this one when a lady tragically died.

 

[will4u]

I just hope and pray a movie is not made of this tragedy. Sully was a good movie but it just wouldn’t be right to make one of this one when a lady tragically died.

probably no movie,

but definitely another mayday show! :coffeews:

 

[gregjrichards]

probably no movie,

but definitely another mayday show! :coffeews:

You’re right probably an air crash investigation episode next season.

 

[gregjrichards]

“Southwest Airlines is giving passengers on board the disastrous flight which saw a woman die when she was sucked out of the window this week $5,000 each and a $1,000 travel voucher.

The airline's CEO Gary Kelly sent a letter to the 142 passengers who survived, apologizing for the 'circumstances' which surrounded the flight and offering their help reuniting them with luggage.

No blame has been assigned to the airline for the engine explosion which sent a piece of shrapnel flying through the window next to Jennifer Riordan.

It caused the window to smash and Riordan, a 43-year-old mother-of-two was partially sucked through the hole in the plane and died as a result.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ht-1308-offered-5-000-each.html#ixzz5DFNsa07m

I sincerely hope Jennifer’s family are offered a lot more than this.

 

[Lilibet]

“Southwest Airlines is giving passengers on board the disastrous flight which saw a woman die when she was sucked out of the window this week $5,000 each and a $1,000 travel voucher.

The airline's CEO Gary Kelly sent a letter to the 142 passengers who survived, apologizing for the 'circumstances' which surrounded the flight and offering their help reuniting them with luggage.

No blame has been assigned to the airline for the engine explosion which sent a piece of shrapnel flying through the window next to Jennifer Riordan.

It caused the window to smash and Riordan, a 43-year-old mother-of-two was partially sucked through the hole in the plane and died as a result.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ht-1308-offered-5-000-each.html#ixzz5DFNsa07m

I sincerely hope Jennifer’s family are offered a lot more than this.

I wonder if accepting the money comes with an agreement to opt out of any class action civil suit or not file suit individually. Read the fine print, folks. I’m not a fan of lawsuits unless there was clear negligence, but no one knows anything yet. Otherwise, it’s a helpful gesture on the part of the airline.

 

[gregjrichards]

I wonder if accepting the money comes with an agreement to opt out of any class action civil suit or not file suit individually. Read the fine print, folks. I’m not a fan of lawsuits unless there was clear negligence, but no one knows anything yet. Otherwise, it’s a helpful gesture on the part of the airline.

They will definitely have to sign an agreement not to sue. They aren’t going to give $5000 and a $1000 voucher and allow you to sue them as well.

 

[Lilibet]

They will definitely have to sign an agreement not to sue. They aren’t going to give $5000 and a $1000 voucher and allow you to sue them as well.

Here’s hoping the airline realizes that the good will they gain by giving the money and voucher with no strings attached is worth waaaaay more than the amount they are giving away.

 

[Strangeworld]

I doubt the $5000 came with any requirement to not sue. This was a nominal amount to assist with initial costs the passengers may have i.e. counselling. This is a gesture quite different to any longer term financial compensation. I'm glad the airline did this, whether their motivations were genuine or just to appear so. Some (if not all) of those passengers will be extremely traumatised, and a little extra cash right now might mean they can take some pressure off with professional support, maybe take some time off work, pay a few bills to give them time to process. Not a huge amount but at this stage of the investigation a very appropriate move.