GUILTY PA - Four Young Men killed, 18-22, Bucks Co., 5-9 July 2017 #8 *arrests*

  • #61
That article actually made the front page of the Seattle Times, which really surprised me (not even when we've had local cases can I remember this happening). I am still wondering what exactly went down... and not ready to take CD's or the cousin's word for it...
 
  • #62
I seriously doubt he had any pot at all and just lied to the boys that he did and that's why he offered the gun to JP knowing full well those boys would have lots of cash in their pockets knowing pot was a way to lure them to the farm.

Not only did he not have any pot, I don't think he offered to sell JP a shotgun.
 
  • #63
Can I take a completely different stance from most of these posts? And my apologies in advance if anyone takes offense, that is not my intention.

As someone who is slightly older than these guys, but from the same area, and grew up the same way as them - I have a slightly different take on things.

A lot of people are commenting shocked that the 4 would willingly go with CD. But honestly, I am not all that surprised. I had plenty of oddball friends that wove in and out of my late teens / early 20s, that we kept around because they had access to either land to party on, drugs to party with, or other fun stuff. Looking back now, I am grateful none of them ever caused an issue. I sometimes wonder what ever happened to some of them and if they're alive, jailed, normal and employed, etc. But as a young dumb teen / adult, that wasn't my concern. Partying and escaping my parents was. I was in college, employed, but bored and wanted to have fun. I don't find them befriending the odd kid all that far fetched. Especially one that had access to a lot of land where a lot can go unnoticed on.
 
  • #64
Interesting article. Says he became darker after an accident last year (he's now 20 years old), but talked of killing at 14 years old and reportedly claimed that he'd killed 2 people when he was 15. Sounds to me like he's had problems all along :(
“Cosmo was crazy,” said Amber Peters, 20, whose boyfriend was once close to Mr. DiNardo. “He’s been talking about killing people since he was 14.”
During Mr. DiNardo’s confession, according to a person with knowledge of it, he also claimed that, at 15, he killed two people in Philadelphia.
 
  • #65
  • #66
To the question about cleaning up TM blood, the buckets on backhoes are a lot larger than you realize unless you are right next to one. One good scoop, two at the most, and every bit of blood and matter can be moved elsewhere or perhaps buried 12 and a half feet as the first layer on top of the boys.

The farm is quite a ways outside of Philadelphia, way in the suburbs, almost considered a rural area. There is no comparing it to the crime level in Philadelphia proper. They could be two different countries, they are so different.

People leave keys in cars all of the time. People also leave keys under doormats, and on top of the casing around the door. The only crime in this area is the infrequent larger stuff, usually pulled off by a really dumb criminal who was caught right away. This isn't the kind of area that has muggings or beatings or any of the other lower-level crime that you will see in a city street. I never felt unsafe wandering around that area alone even as a teenager, and I still don't if I am up there alone. This kind of thing is very isolated.

To all of the questions about why didn't the drug chain above CD come out and how much money was there and all of those kinds of things... We probably only know the tip of the iceberg of what came out in questioning. Of course, they are going to withhold any information that would get in the way of an investigation of any other crime.

The FBI was on the scene extremely quickly. Many reputable sources have said that the FBI doesn't get involved that fast, unless whatever is going on intersects with an already active investigation. Think of how many multiple killings happen. If you aren't aware, it's a lot. I work peripherally to the legal field, and cases where multiple people are shot during drug deals come across my desk often. I just served on a mock jury about a real multiple homicide during a drug trade for law school students to practice trying a case a couple months ago. The FBI doesn't fly right up to any of those.
 
  • #67
Normally, but it isn't unheard of.As someone who grew up in the area and smoked when I was their age and here is my thinking, from personal experience. If you are buying more than an ounce, and the person isn't a complete stranger. He probably told them he would smoke them up so they could see if it was good. That would explain why they went to the property, got out of the car then in the barn/remote area of the property.

I agree and don't think he was going to buy 8000 worth.


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Agree...maybe the barn was used regularly as their spot to light up.
 
  • #68
Interesting article. Says he became darker after an accident last year (he's now 20 years old), but talked of killing at 14 years old and reportedly claimed that he'd killed 2 people when he was 15. Sounds to me like he's had problems all along :(

A big question is going to be... how deep and of which kind those problems are/were. Is he incompetent to assist in his own defense? Does he not know right from wrong? We are in wait and see mode I think.
 
  • #69
And one more thing... A lot of people consider the death penalty the easy way out. A lot of people feel that if they were to spend life in prison, they'd rather be dead. I don't know, but it is possible, that the victims families feel this way and feel that they'd rather see him suffer whatever trials and tribulations he will suffer in 50, 60, 70 years in jail.
 
  • #70
My brain stops every time on someone wanting to buy $8000 worth of marijuana and supposedly only showing up with $800.

Nobody is this stupid. I don't even buy drugs and wouldn't ever do this. So...this makes me think that the circumstances the murderer(s) give could be delusional or could be fake. I'm still waiting for more "reasons" to be given and otherwise regard these murders as a spree set off by an unknown event to us.

Thpugh I think you are right that the true motive is going to be a muddle of perhaps "Narco" fantasies mixed with being inherently violent and having a pre-disposition to kill people mixed with mental illness, the 800 vs 8,000 amount probably has a lot of reasonable explanations.

My very general understanding of the prices of illegal drugs is that they can fluctuate a lot based on quality, quantitiy, who is selling them and who is buying them. In effect, there are no price tags and comparison shopping can be difficult.

Likewise, there is probably room for negotiation on both sides, changing needs, changing availability and a lot of bluffing and image hype ("I am a big time buyer, I have "Y" to spend for "Z". "I am a big time seller, of course, I have "Z"- but it sells for premium price "P". In reality, neither the murderer nor the victim were probably at the same level as their image projected. My guess is that $800 was their standard deal.
 
  • #71
I seriously doubt he had any pot at all and just lied to the boys that he did and that's why he offered the gun to JP knowing full well those boys would have lots of cash in their pockets knowing pot was a way to lure them to the farm.

Friday is a high traffic day in the drug world....people get paid on Friday and want to party.
The last three to be killed might have had lots of cash that day.
 
  • #72
Does anyone still have that screen grab of the video when LE was at the grave site, the backhoe had the metal thing just dug up. Many thought it was an old oil tank but I think that was the pig roaster the boys were in. We all thought it was too small to have bodies but apparently not. I would like to see it again. Can someone post? I cant find it.
 
  • #73
Woke, what a terrible tragedy. Sounds like this guy had issues all his life. His parents might have been enablers, whether by accident or intentional, by ignoring his mental health needs.

i wonder if this was his first murders? I wouldn't be surprised if he has a history of harming animals. I hate that those young boys lost their lives, but at the least this guy wasn't caught before he could hurt anyone else.
 
  • #74
Friday is a high traffic day in the drug world....people get paid on Friday and want to party.
The last three to be killed might have had lots of cash that day.
Good thought.
 
  • #75
I keep thinking about things related to the anger that the death penalty is off the table.

I can dig up sources on this if anyone would like, but again I just served on a mock jury about a man killing multiple others during a drug deal. The way the death penalty sentencing works in Pennsylvania, is that during deliberation the jury is given two lists. I forget the exact names, but the first is a list of reasons that the killer's actions might be understandable. Extenuating circumstances. The second is a list of reasons why the killer's actions are not understandable, or could continue to be a threat after trial. The jury deliberates and then goes around and votes on each of the items on these checklists, at the end, you are sternly directed that if the number of items checked on the second sheet is greater than the number of items on the first sheet, the person should be sentenced to death. Conversely, if the number of extenuating circumstances outnumbers the number of future threats etc, you are strongly directed that the defendant should get life in prison. If a jury strictly follows directions, they don't really decide life in prison or death penalty based on their own personal feelings or emotions and how heavily they are weighted in different areas. All they do is identify whether or not things on a list should be checked and then the numbers take over.

All of this to say, if the death penalty was taken off the table, it is sometimes in part because prosecutors know that the number of extenuating circumstances will outweigh the number of incriminating factors.
 
  • #76
Does anyone still have that screen grab of the video when LE was at the grave site, the backhoe had the metal thing just dug up. Many thought it was an old oil tank but I think that was the pig roaster the boys were in. We all thought it was too small to have bodies but apparently not. I would like to see it again. Can someone post? I cant find it.

Sorry I don't have the image handy but I thought it was a "pig roaster" made out of an oil drum.

ETA, I agree it was the object that contained the three bodies.
 
  • #77
To the question about cleaning up TM blood, the buckets on backhoes are a lot larger than you realize unless you are right next to one. One good scoop, two at the most, and every bit of blood and matter can be moved elsewhere or perhaps buried 12 and a half feet as the first layer on top of the boys.

The farm is quite a ways outside of Philadelphia, way in the suburbs, almost considered a rural area. There is no comparing it to the crime level in Philadelphia proper. They could be two different countries, they are so different.

People leave keys in cars all of the time. People also leave keys under doormats, and on top of the casing around the door. The only crime in this area is the infrequent larger stuff, usually pulled off by a really dumb criminal who was caught right away. This isn't the kind of area that has muggings or beatings or any of the other lower-level crime that you will see in a city street. I never felt unsafe wandering around that area alone even as a teenager, and I still don't if I am up there alone. This kind of thing is very isolated.

To all of the questions about why didn't the drug chain above CD come out and how much money was there and all of those kinds of things... We probably only know the tip of the iceberg of what came out in questioning. Of course, they are going to withhold any information that would get in the way of an investigation of any other crime.

The FBI was on the scene extremely quickly. Many reputable sources have said that the FBI doesn't get involved that fast, unless whatever is going on intersects with an already active investigation. Think of how many multiple killings happen. If you aren't aware, it's a lot. I work peripherally to the legal field, and cases where multiple people are shot during drug deals come across my desk often. I just served on a mock jury about a real multiple homicide during a drug trade for law school students to practice trying a case a couple months ago. The FBI doesn't fly right up to any of those.

CD and SK now have FBI case file numbers as per their County Documents that were filled last week.

FBI does federal level crimes...could be they were brought in because they thought the boys had been kidnapped initially ?

My thoughts lean toward organized crime connections.... contraband and maybe inter State ( NJ )
 
  • #78
CD and SK now have FBI case file numbers as per their County Documents that were filled last week.

FBI does federal level crimes...could be they were brought in because they thought the boys had been kidnapped initially ?

My thoughts lean toward organized crime connections.... contraband and maybe inter State ( NJ )

I agree completely. There are so many details and open questions that point in this direction.
 
  • #79
Does anyone still have that screen grab of the video when LE was at the grave site, the backhoe had the metal thing just dug up. Many thought it was an old oil tank but I think that was the pig roaster the boys were in. We all thought it was too small to have bodies but apparently not. I would like to see it again. Can someone post? I cant find it.
I believe it's in thread #2
 
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