PA PA - French Creek State Park, Union Twp, BlkFem 21-28, 349UFPA, bag w/ "FA", "O" & "ATER", Jul'88

[shadowangel]

Can you post the link? I googled it and got a "site coming soon" message.

 

[awagner]

http://www.groceteria.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=22

 

[shadowangel]

The guy may know somethng, I'm going to try a few other things to contact him-have you tried posting on their forum?

 

[Beyond Belief]

This is really hard. I am trying to follow the decoration line to the right of the FA, down and then across to see where it goes. Its possible it can cut what we think is the 4 right in half. When I did that and darkened it grey scale, it looks like LIL' then O or G different type print, if thats a G, it could be LIL' General, which was a convenience store here in Florida abt 20 yrs ago. I really think their bags had Farm Fresh on them, but its been awhile. Also are we looking at the bottom of the bag and the side spread out, there seems to be a seem line through it. Those ater letters are very strange like its the bag maker or something, maybe on the bottom of the bag.

 

[Boatswain'sMate]

Here's a site that allows you to enter letter patterns and it comes up with all the possible words that have that pattern.

http://www.puzzledepot.com/wordfinder2/crossword.html

 

[docwho3]

In the next day or so I may try a bit of reconstructing the image of the bag pieces to fit a little better. If anything looks good I will share the pics in the same album as before and will post a note about it.

 

[Beyond Belief]

I tried moving some of the pieces around and was not successful so please share what you find.

Looking at the photo where you only see what they are calling the ATER if you look to your right it looks like PA.
So I checked cities, so far I am only up to Erie Co., the city of PLATEA, SORT OF JUMPED OUT AT ME.

 

[Boatswain'sMate]

I tried moving some of the pieces around and was not successful so please share what you find.

Looking at the photo where you only see what they are calling the ATER if you look to your right it looks like PA.
So I checked cities, so far I am only up to Erie Co., the city of PLATEA, SORT OF JUMPED OUT AT ME.

I tried moving them around, too! No configuration looked clearer to me. This is the kind of thing I just can't let go of. They could identify this woman in a different way and give her to her family, and years later I'd still browse the retail-logo sites, looking for a possibility.

 

[Beyond Belief]

loL

i just can't remember any grocery store chains with white bags red letters.
That O, maybe office supply store. i am trying to convince myself the fa is then x so fax, but i doubt it.
Better hit the hay.
Same time, same station. tomorrow.

 

[mjak]

Okay this is freaken addictive. Since reading this thread I have spent yesterday looking and looking and looking at the pictures. I decided to sketch what I thought I saw. It didn't give me any insight. I look at the pictures and at first saw only FA, then finally I found the 4. Later on I was able to see what looks like a y or x after the FA and an O.
Then I thought I saw cowboy boots in the left cornor of the red square. So I spent a lot of time trying to find shoe stores that fit this logo. Then I went back later to the pictures and couldn't find "my" cowboy boots, lol. Okay, scratch that Idea. Then I remembered that yucky Fargo Faygo chocolate soda my grandma used to give me . I see others have mentioned that too. Of course I cant' figure out why a soda would have its own plastic bags? Unless the factory gives them out. Okay I doubt its got anything to do with that soda. I just kept thinking about this bag. Then I realized I am so busy trying to figure out this bag all day that I don't even recall why it is we are trying to identify this bag to begin with!!!! So here it is the next morning and what do I think of as soon as I get up?? Yup this bag, lol.

mjak
ps. I reread the starting thread and now know this bag is part of an unsolved murder.

 

[shadowangel]

For those who don't know, O/C stands for "Obsessive/Compulsive"....

Anyway, if you look at the second pic where the bag is still crumpled, the lower letters are a little clearer...I definitely don't see and "R" after the "...ATE".

We'd all be the bomb at a jigsaw puzzle tournament.

 

[docwho3]

Doing the grocery bag reconstruction attempt may take me awhile due to the complexity of the project and the fact that my old software is rather limited in what it can do at one time. I need to be able to flex certain parts of the image while leaving other nearby places untouched for the moment.

I experimented with stretching and tearing a plastic grocery bag (yes I know not all bags are alike) and found that it pulls and stretches sometimes (but not uniform in the amount of stretching) and at other times the same bag may rip neatly like a piece of cellophane. Then if you lay the bag out on a table & take a pic of it you can end up with something that looks quite different than the look you started with and quite different than if you had ripped a paper bag.
I could take the pices of a paper bag pic and more easily rotate them and piece it back together but the plastic bag is stretched as well as being torn and my experiment shows it is not uniformly stretched either. For my ancient software to be used I will have to rotate and skew several small pieces and then lay them back into the main image. I will have to guess how much a given piece has been stretched and then try to undo the extra stretching.
This means that any reconstruction of our grocery bag side from a pic will be as much art and guesswork as actual science and the results may not look all that great. If it turns out to look like anything I will post it.

 

[Beyond Belief]

You know you just have to think about what was happening during that time in the 80's. Fax machines were the hottest thing. I just wonder if that says

FAX Your ?Order?
48? ??? ????
After

484 is an area code in the Berks area.

Just guessing of course.

 

[MyJessieAngel]

Pictures of the grocery bag can be found here:

http://www.pennsylvaniamissing.com/pages/20/page20.html
refresh=1133958325506

Scroll down to the bottom of the page, larger pictures of the bag can be viewed by clicking on the pictures.

I recognize the first word. It is Farmer. I live in Michigan and have lived on both sides of the state. We had stores called "Farmer Friday's" on the west side and we have "Farmer jack's" on the east. The logos look JUST like that on the bag with the name after Farmer varying. I showed the picture to my husband without telling him what I thought, and he said the same thing. Michigan is close to Pennsylvania. My guess is she was killed in Michigan, unless they have the Farmer family of stores in Pennsylvania too.

 

[Beyond Belief]

http://www.aptea.com/farmerjack.asp

Farmer Jack owned by A&P

 

[MyJessieAngel]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paradise
Pictures of the grocery bag can be found here:

http://www.pennsylvaniamissing.com/pages/20/page20.html
refresh=1133958325506

Scroll down to the bottom of the page, larger pictures of the bag can be viewed by clicking on the pictures.

I recognize the first word. It is Farmer. I live in Michigan and have lived on both sides of the state. We had stores called "Farmer Friday's" on the west side and we have "Farmer jack's" on the east. The logos look JUST like that on the bag with the name after Farmer varying. I showed the picture to my husband without telling him what I thought, and he said the same thing. Michigan is close to Pennsylvania. My guess is she was killed in Michigan, unless they have the Farmer family of stores in Pennsylvania too. Sometime today, I will try to get hold of a Farmer Jack bag, take a pic of it with my digital camera and post it here. Then you can judge for yourselves, but it looks to me exactly like a part of the logo seen on those bags. Unfortunately we threw all our old saved bags out a few days ago (damn, damn, double damn!!!!) but I am sure one of my numerous neighbors probably has one or two lying around.

 

[MyJessieAngel]

http://www.aptea.com/farmerjack.asp

Farmer Jack owned by A&P

The logo on the page is the same as the ones on their bags and looks like part of the one on those bags found with that poor woman. My husband said that was the first thing that he thought as soon as he saw the partial logo.
I did a screen shot of the logo and the bag found and placed them next to each other. What do you think?

 

[MyJessieAngel]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beyond Belief
http://www.aptea.com/farmerjack.asp

Farmer Jack owned by A&P

The logo on the page is the same as the ones on their bags and looks like part of the one on those bags found with that poor woman. My husband said that was the first thing that he thought as soon as he saw the partial logo.
I did a screen shot of the logo and the bag found and placed them next to each other. What do you think?

 

[Yaya]

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Hope this helps.

 

[shadowangel]

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Hope this helps.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that has that problem, I was feeling sorta--oh, like a guy, I guess. :angel: