Deceased/Not Found PA - King Hill, 2, stepfather said King was with babysitter, Philadelphia, 7 Jul 2020 *arrest*

[Acorunadepor]

MOO, mother may have a medical or developmental reason for why the child was in someone else’s care, why she believes others may criticize her ability to parent, and why she may seem confused or use awkward speech. I would ask others to be less quick to condemn a parent as lazy or absent simply because they seek help and assistance with it from other adults in their life.

Yes and this would also would become clear during an investigation, you would assume. The problem with this case so far is, we only hear the story from the side of the mother. The babysitter and stepfather are only mentioned through police statements or assumptions done by media outlets.

I am thinking there are a few steps missing. If the stepfather asked whether the child is ok, he is assuming he is in the care of the mother. So he knows of him being dropped off by the babysitter. If the mother than informs him, of the fact that the boy is not with her, means that neither the babysitter nor the stepfather had contact with the mother surrounding that time. I find that hard to believe. So no text: "Sitter is dropping him", no text back: "He is not here". Etcetera...

Because that means the babysitter kept everything to herself during that time. That could lead someone to believe that the stepfather also didn't know where the boy was because he had no contact with the babysitter.

 

[MichelleBlue]

In the press conference, LE said the babysitter had been caring for KH for "some time" or something to that effect. Later, they did say she had been his siiter for 2 years. I wonder if this was not a 9-5 arrangement while step-dad was at work, but that she was the sole caretaker for more than a week or two weeks even? IMO

Also, I apologize for a reactionary & judgemental post I made after watching the mom's interview when she said she couldn't sleep with him gone. It was deleted by the mods & I am thankful for that.

 

[katydid23]

I was hopeful someone was making a custody power play, or flat out didn't want King to go back to a bad home situation and hid him. But the situation has escalated and is very serious. If either of the above were true, I would think by now someone would cave and tell the truth

I would hope it was a custody battle and it often is that. But in this case, it didn't seem like any of them really wanted full custody. He seemed to be bounced around, which is so heartbreaking. Such an adorable sweetheart.

I can maybe hope someone is hiding him. Does anyone know where his bio-dad is? Hopefully he has him safely stashed, where he is planning his 3rd birthday party....

 

[katydid23]

Yes and this would also would become clear during an investigation, you would assume. The problem with this case so far is, we only hear the story from the side of the mother. The babysitter and stepfather are only mentioned through police statements or assumptions done by media outlets.

I am thinking there are a few steps missing. If the stepfather asked whether the child is ok, he is assuming he is in the care of the mother. So he knows of him being dropped off by the babysitter. If the mother than informs him, of the fact that the boy is not with her, means that neither the babysitter nor the stepfather had contact with the mother surrounding that time. I find that hard to believe. So no text: "Sitter is dropping him", no text back: "He is not here". Etcetera...

Because that means the babysitter kept everything to herself during that time. That could lead someone to believe that the stepfather also didn't know where the boy was because he had no contact with the babysitter.

Yes, all of the above keeps bringing me back to the sitter. If the sitter had dropped him off to mom, there would have to be texts or calls, or what's app, or emails or FB messages, setting. up the drop off. They didn't know each other so babysitter would have the records of the initial calls/texts, to show investigators.

As far as we know, there haven't been any such texts or calls, because LE says they don't know who to believe and they are now looking for cameras that might show the drop off.

I cannot see this baby being dropped off to mommy, who hasn't seen him for weeks, and she quickly has issues and disposes of him. I can't see that, although we know it does happen.

It makes more sense that the 'babysitter' had a problem that went sideways, and she had to set this story in motion, imo.

 

[MissMalowe]

I dont think King is being hidden. (Sadly)

-mom claims the plan was for her to get King back for his 3rd birthday (late July) I would think if the plan was "hide/keep the baby from her by simply claiming I/we DID drop him off at home" that plan would be taking place just before his birthday and we wouldn't have heard about King yet. Why "ring the alarm" and get Police involved any sooner than you have to if your plan is more likely to be successful the later the police become involved?

-any msm reports about prior CPS involvement? I would think someone would first attempt to go through the proper channels and see what results from that prior to taking it into their own hands and simply hiding him.

Mom seems to think this is what has happened though and I would like to know why. She has said that she doesnt believe he has been harmed and urged whoever had him to return him to a hospital, a police station, anywhere he would be safe and could be found if they didnt want to return King to her.

Why does she assume this and not have any fears that he has been harmed? Did "stepdad" ever threaten to keep King away from her? We can assume the babysitter didnt make those sort of threats to mom because mom claims she doesnt even know the babysitter. Did someone else threaten this? What is the specific reason mom believes he hasn't been harmed but is just being kept away from her?

 

[Hereshecomes75]

I’m starting to wonder if there’s a fourth party involved here.


Was King ever in foster care?

 

[PowMom01]

My cousin referred to me as the "babysitter" when I was caring for her baby while she was in/out of jail. If anyone asked her "Where is baby?" she would answer "With his babysitter", less judgement than the truth.

DH and I became his foster (and then adoptive) parents but for a few weeks we were 'just taking care of my cousin's baby'. It was legal limbo until we were given custody by the courts.

If there is no legal custody agreement, then the "babysitter" could be King's primary care giver.

 

[MoeInVA]

Is there a MSM link to this info?

In the July 9th press conference the police said the babysitter claimed she was contacted by the mother to return King. I linked to the full press conferences earlier in this thread. The police did not mention how mother supposedly got babysitter’s phone number (to my knowledge).

 

[Ontario Mom]

In the July 9th press conference the police said the babysitter claimed she was contacted by the mother to return King. I linked to the full press conferences earlier in this thread. The police did not mention how mother supposedly got babysitter’s phone number (to my knowledge).

Interesting. A claim the mother flat out refutes, and calls the babysitter a liar.
Oh boy I'd sure love to see those cell phone records from all 3 parties.

 

[heavenlee7]

Have they released the name of the babysitter or step dad yet?

 

[Ontario Mom]

Have they released the name of the babysitter or step dad yet?

Not that I've seen.

 

[Hereshecomes75]

One of the things I really like about Philly is the access to natural areas right in the city, often along its two rivers. Fairmount Park is wonderful. But it would be a nightmare to have a missing toddler there. A thorough search even of a single neighborhood would be next to impossible, and there’d be so many places to dispose of evidence or remains. It’s wishful thinking, but I hope some as-yet-unknown party has King and is keeping him safe. The police seem to be making a heroic effort to figure out what happened here, and I hope something pans out soon.

 

[MsBetsy]

I dont think King is being hidden. (Sadly)

-mom claims the plan was for her to get King back for his 3rd birthday (late July) I would think if the plan was "hide/keep the baby from her by simply claiming I/we DID drop him off at home" that plan would be taking place just before his birthday and we wouldn't have heard about King yet. Why "ring the alarm" and get Police involved any sooner than you have to if your plan is more likely to be successful the later the police become involved?

-any msm reports about prior CPS involvement? I would think someone would first attempt to go through the proper channels and see what results from that prior to taking it into their own hands and simply hiding him.

Mom seems to think this is what has happened though and I would like to know why. She has said that she doesnt believe he has been harmed and urged whoever had him to return him to a hospital, a police station, anywhere he would be safe and could be found if they didnt want to return King to her.

Why does she assume this and not have any fears that he has been harmed? Did "stepdad" ever threaten to keep King away from her? We can assume the babysitter didnt make those sort of threats to mom because mom claims she doesnt even know the babysitter. Did someone else threaten this? What is the specific reason mom believes he hasn't been harmed but is just being kept away from her?

I don't think we have seen any indication that CPS was involved in the past, but when a child goes missing Children and Youth Services would most likely have been notified by police and are probably involved at this point.

That the mother thinks someone may be hiding King or keeping him away from her must stem from previous accusations or judgements against her by the stepfather or others who have been around the child in the past. She said something like, I know you think "I'm nothing" or "not nothing," so she must have reason to believe others have judged her negativity.

As far as the babysitter or stepfather are concerned, if they believed the mom was neglecting the child then it was their responsibility to report any concerns to Children and Youth, especially if the baby sitter had been caring for him for so long.

So whatever happened to the child, all involved are accountable in some way.

Obviously someone is lying, and if they really are concerned about the welfare of the child then they would tell the truth.

As soon as LE can determine whether or not the drop off to the mother actually occurred, they will probably have a good idea who must be responsible.

 

[MoeInVA]

I don't think we have seen any indication that CPS was involved in the past, but when a child goes missing Children and Youth Services would most likely have been notified by police and are probably involved at this point.

That the mother thinks someone may be hiding King or keeping him away from her must stem from previous accusations or judgements against her by the stepfather or others who have been around the child in the past. She said something like, I know you think "I'm nothing" or "not nothing," so she must have reason to believe others have judged her negativity.

As far as the babysitter or stepfather are concerned, if they believed the mom was neglecting the child then it was their responsibility to report any concerns to Children and Youth, especially if the baby sitter had been caring for him for so long.

So whatever happened to the child, all involved are accountable in some way.

Obviously someone is lying, and if they really are concerned about the welfare of the child then they would tell the truth.

As soon as LE can determine whether or not the drop off to the mother actually occurred, they will probably have a good idea who must be responsible.

MOO I think LE must know the answer to who is lying by now. Maybe they are trying to get the suspect to crack/ give them clues to find King while they still have suspect cooperating.

 

[heavenlee7]

My heart breaks for this precious little boy I pulled up a google map image and recognize there is a bridge and once you cross over the bridge its very heavily wooded. I pray he returns home safe although something does not sit right with this story.

 

[modesty blaise]

Poor baby this is unacceptable.
I wonder what this pandemic is allowing monsters to get away with.

 

[LadyL]

I'm pretty sure stepdad got babysitter to tell a cover story to cops.
I believe Mom is telling the truth. JMO.

 

[claudicici]

I don't think stepdad is involved because he is the one that contacted police If babysitter is hiding him I believe she did it without stepdad s knowledge I do believe she is King's primary caregiver I don't see her dropping King off at a street corner or mom doing something to him after she just wanted him back I do believe babysitter knows where he is wether hidden or something happened accidently I don't think anyone involved was abusive just the mother was neglectful

 

[Ontario Mom]

I don't think stepdad is involved because he is the one that contacted police If babysitter is hiding him I believe she did it without stepdad s knowledge I do believe she is King's primary caregiver I don't see her dropping King off at a street corner or mom doing something to him after she just wanted him back I do believe babysitter knows where he is wether hidden or something happened accidently I don't think anyone involved was abusive just the mother was neglectful

I'm curious what leads you to believe the mother is neglectful?

 

[kkdj]

Have they released the name of the babysitter or step dad yet?

I've been waiting...