GUILTY PA - Linda Stoltzfoos, 18, murdered, Bird-in-Hand, Lancaster County, 21 June 2020 *arrest* #4

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The podcast, 'The Daily Crime', launched in January and its latest episode (available on Feb. 8) will focus on the disappearance of Stoltzfoos and the charges facing Justo Smoker, who is facing homicide charges in connection to the incident.
Linda Stoltzfoos case subject of 'The Daily Crime' podcast | fox43.com

I had a very hard time watching this. I think the lady in the Fox 43 studio was inappropriately smiling for the sad type of story she was talking about. Way too jolly for me. Very odd demeanor.
 
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I was in Lancaster Saturday and retraced the roads that Linda may have travelled to go home. She was almost to her driveway. Wonder why she didn't take off running or scream for help. There were houses around where she was walking. I feel so sad that they probably drove right pass her driveway. If he just took any girl he could find. He probably didn't know where she lived. I also wonder why did it take someone to miss her? She was to come home after church, get the dessert she made, change her clothes. No one ever saw her dessert was still there? If gathering wasn't till later, why didn't anyone not realize then she didn't come home from church? Instead it was like 10-11 hours later?! I pray everyday they will find her and solve this mystery one way or another.

My understanding is that Linda was a little less than 1/2 mile away from her home when she was abducted. If she would have run, I think he would grabbed her in no time, given his prior athletic ability. There is also speculation that he may have placed something over her head. Some have suggested he may have had a weapon, so there are many reason why running was not possible. Where she was abducted there aren't too many non-Amish homes, so given that it was a church Sunday, there wouldn't have been anybody home in many of those neighboring homes anyway.

I don't know if her family noticed that the lemon bars were not taken or that Linda had not changed clothes. If they did, I'm guessing they thought she forgot them and decided not to change. As a parent, I know I try not to jump to the worst case scenario when things seem odd at times. I think any parent can probably relate to how panic-stricken they must have felt when they realized that something happened to her. From what we know, it sadly seems that even if her parents had called authorities in the afternoon, it still would have been too late.
 
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It puzzles me why the Harvest Structures property is described as rural, remote and wooded.

It's not heavily wooded like a forest, but I think it's accurate to say that it's wooded in the area behind the business. There are trees there. Definitely remote and rural, I think.
 
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Of course we don't know for certain as to why Linda didn't run, however JS may have had gun and threatened her that if she in fact did run, he'd shoot her.

I may be wrong, but, I doubt that LE found Linda's footprints at the Harvest Structure's property. The reason I say this is because LE said that JS "might have" have taken her there. If they had her footprints, I would think they would have said that JS "did" bring her there.

As far as the time it took for her parents to notice she was gone... Perhaps they didn't get home til late that night? Perhaps the Lemon bars were in the refrigerator/ice box, and out of sight?

Once again, I hope they have more direct evidence if the State is expecting a conviction. Traveling from the area that Linda lived to the Welsh Mountains means nothing. They haven't found her body there. Lots of circumstantial evidence yes, but unless they have something like a huge pool of blood that would indicate there's no way that Linda could still be alive, IMO, this case is weak.

Kidnapping? perhaps. Murder? I'm not so sure. IMO, I think it would be too much of a gamble for the State to seek the Death Penalty, but we'll see.
 
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Of course we don't know for certain as to why Linda didn't run, however JS may have had gun and threatened her that if she in fact did run, he'd shoot her.

I may be wrong, but, I doubt that LE found Linda's footprints at the Harvest Structure's property. The reason I say this is because LE said that JS "might have" have taken her there. If they had her footprints, I would think they would have said that JS "did" bring her there.

As far as the time it took for her parents to notice she was gone... Perhaps they didn't get home til late that night? Perhaps the Lemon bars were in the refrigerator/ice box, and out of sight?

Once again, I hope they have more direct evidence if the State is expecting a conviction. Traveling from the area that Linda lived to the Welsh Mountains means nothing. They haven't found her body there. Lots of circumstantial evidence yes, but unless they have something like a huge pool of blood that would indicate there's no way that Linda could still be alive, IMO, this case is weak.

Kidnapping? perhaps. Murder? I'm not so sure. IMO, I think it would be too much of a gamble for the State to seek the Death Penalty, but we'll see.

Maybe somebody will be able to help me out with this. If the prosecution doesn't feel confident that they can get a murder conviction with the evidence they have, can they prosecute only for kidnapping but later charge JS for murder if more evidence comes forward? If so, prosecutors can most likely get a first-degree kidnapping charge to stick, as there is very strong evidence for that, and get a 20 year sentence. In the meantime, there will always be a murder charge hanging over the head of JS. Is JS willing to sit in jail for 20 years (with no parole) instead of saying what he did with her IF she is alive? His answer would tell me a lot.

I'm not sure how much evidence is being shared with the public. Can prosecutors explain away a second person being involved? The quickness in which the events of that day took place, as evidenced by the location and times of the cell pings, has always made me wonder if there was somebody else that JS handed her off to. Sex trafficking? If prosecutors can't eliminate that possibility, then they may have a problem. On the other hand, there may be some damning evidence that we aren't privy to, so I guess it will have to be a wait and see type of thing.
 
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Maybe somebody will be able to help me out with this. If the prosecution doesn't feel confident that they can get a murder conviction with the evidence they have, can they prosecute only for kidnapping but later charge JS for murder if more evidence comes forward? If so, prosecutors can most likely get a first-degree kidnapping charge to stick, as there is very strong evidence for that, and get a 20 year sentence. In the meantime, there will always be a murder charge hanging over the head of JS. Is JS willing to sit in jail for 20 years (with no parole) instead of saying what he did with her IF she is alive? His answer would tell me a lot.

I'm not sure how much evidence is being shared with the public. Can prosecutors explain away a second person being involved? The quickness in which the events of that day took place, as evidenced by the location and times of the cell pings, has always made me wonder if there was somebody else that JS handed her off to. Sex trafficking? If prosecutors can't eliminate that possibility, then they may have a problem. On the other hand, there may be some damning evidence that we aren't privy to, so I guess it will have to be a wait and see type of thing.

Has the LE ever brought in the brother and questioned him? The way the brother was acting after JS was arrested. You would think he would help prove his brother was innocent. Not Harass people and play games pretending to be different people on other websites. What does he know? About the car fire at location where JS lived. Did the LE check that car that no evidence was in it pertaining to LS?
 
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Maybe somebody will be able to help me out with this. If the prosecution doesn't feel confident that they can get a murder conviction with the evidence they have, can they prosecute only for kidnapping but later charge JS for murder if more evidence comes forward? If so, prosecutors can most likely get a first-degree kidnapping charge to stick, as there is very strong evidence for that, and get a 20 year sentence. In the meantime, there will always be a murder charge hanging over the head of JS. Is JS willing to sit in jail for 20 years (with no parole) instead of saying what he did with her IF she is alive? His answer would tell me a lot.

I'm not sure how much evidence is being shared with the public. Can prosecutors explain away a second person being involved? The quickness in which the events of that day took place, as evidenced by the location and times of the cell pings, has always made me wonder if there was somebody else that JS handed her off to. Sex trafficking? If prosecutors can't eliminate that possibility, then they may have a problem. On the other hand, there may be some damning evidence that we aren't privy to, so I guess it will have to be a wait and see type of thing.
Yes, the prosecution can prosecute for kidnapping only if he/she feels they can not get a conviction.
The prosecution is also obligated to drop charges if he/she feels they don't have enough evidence to convict.

The judge takes a look at the evidence during a pre trial hearing to determine if there is enough evidence to go to trial. In this case, the judge found there was enough evidence. IMO, unless there is more evidence that we don't know about, most is circumstantial evidence, but it's still evidence.

Think of a trial as a poker game. The DA bluffs the Defense attorney into believing they can win. The DA adds in some cases many charges in hopes to get a plea deal. Over 90% of cases are resolved this way. The Defense attorney tries to bluff the DA into thinking that he/she can win. The DA makes a deal with the Defense to drop a few charges, and the defendant pleads guilty to those charges. The Defense may approach the DA, and agree his client pleads to lessor charges if some are dropped.

The situation in this case is yes, the DA can prosecute for kidnapping, and then add the murder charges after, however , if the prosecutor believes he/she has enough evidence to convict, it's the duty of the prosecutor to prosecute. They only have one shot at the murder charge. If he's found not guilty, he can never be tried for her murder again, even if he admits to it.

I doubt LE thinks that anyone else is involved in this case. The reason I say this, is, if that was true, the warrants would have been imo, sealed and they were not. The reason this is done is because if someone else is involved and free, they can't read the warrant, get a jump on LE, and either destroy or move evidence.

I am not for the death penalty. Not only does it cost more to put someone to death than incarcerate for life, but states with the DP have a much higher rate of violent crime.
Having said that, I think that the DP is a good tool only in a case like this to use in a plea deal. Tell us where she is, and we'll spare your life and give you life without parole.

Murder Rate of Death Penalty States Compared to Non-Death Penalty States | Death Penalty Information Center
 
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Has the LE ever brought in the brother and questioned him? The way the brother was acting after JS was arrested. You would think he would help prove his brother was innocent. Not Harass people and play games pretending to be different people on other websites. What does he know? About the car fire at location where JS lived. Did the LE check that car that no evidence was in it pertaining to LS?
I can't say for certain that the brother was questioned, but, I'd bet my house he was. There were a lot of texts back and forth between JS and his brother the day Linda was abducted.
 
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Saying a prayer for you Linda, and your family tonight. <3
 
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Google updates once a year. There are times when Google Maps updates in real-time to mark major events and to give assistance in emergency situations. Just ask Google.
Also, I have an odd knack of finding things on GM. For example I found a man hiding in brush that was apart of a mountain in WV. I will upload the photo if WS will allow me. I have found all sorts of *interesting* things, including celebrities vacationing on yachts in the Indian Ocean, large animals on back roads, and even some illegal “things” on GM. And more.

ETA: Google Maps: “Sharps Tunnel”. Click on the 360 photo/camera icon on the lower left side, and you should be able to see the man’s face, hiding in the side of the bottom of the mountain, to the left of the tunnel.
Sharps Tunnel
Greenbrier River Trail, Marlinton, WV 24954
Google Maps
Well, you have better eyes than I do because I do not see it.
Of course, I dont see half the things most others see so nothing new here. LOL
 
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I see the "face". Could just be rock that looks like a face though. To the left of the "y" shaped light coloured branch.
I dont think that is a face, JMO
I do see the bike so YAY me .. but no face or person
 
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The situation in this case is yes, the DA can prosecute for kidnapping, and then add the murder charges after, however , if the prosecutor believes he/she has enough evidence to convict, it's the duty of the prosecutor to prosecute. They only have one shot at the murder charge. If he's found not guilty, he can never be tried for her murder again, even if he admits to it.

Thank you for the explanation. I appreciate your help. So it looks as though prosecutors will have no choice but to go for the murder charge now since it is incumbent upon him/her. Being local, I'm surprised that I don't know more about this case than what I read here on this forum. There's not a lot of new information out there that I know about. When I think about it now and then, I stop in to see what's going on. I guess the investigators and LE are keeping things close to their chest.
 
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Okay, I have tightened up the maps a bit based on the criminal complaint.
I am attaching 2 copies. The first is the one based on eyewitness accounts. The second shows the likely routes. both coming and going to Welsh Mountain also based on the witness accounts and cell phone data.
The following legend indicates routes taken pinpointed by paragraph #’s in the Criminal Complaint starting with the observation of the red car by Witness Esh and the church site where LS left on foot to walk home:

Start- Witness Esh #9 observes red car between 12:30 and 12:45

A - Church #3 (LS left around 12:30]

B- Abduction #10, #16 around 12:42

C- Weaverton School #17 pull behind school for 5 minutes

D - Witness King #19 - red car NB on Amish Rd north of SR 897, LS in vehicle sometime between 12:15-13:30.

E - Witnesses Stolzfus #18 on Amish Rd NB near Buena Vista, LS in vehicle, approx 13:30

Note: If both King and the Stoltzfus’ saw the vehicle headed NB on Amish Rd, it stands to reason that King saw him first by virtue of where on Amish Rd it was seen.

F, G, - Witness Fisher #20 red car NB on Red Well turns right on Peters LS in vehicle, shortly before 13:30.

H- Welsh Mountain #41

J - 3104 Harvest Rd #24 1 hour stop from 14:32 to 15:35. Bra & stockings found later found here (#23). Smoker was also at this location on 6/22, 6/23, 6/24, 6/25, and 6/27 (#26)

End - Witness observes Smoker washing vehicle at his home #38
BBM-
so when you lay it out like this, section J is interesting.
Why so many times there??
Burying and moving, then re burying and moving ???
or buried and checking to be sure nothing is showing ???
I realize some clothing found there, but would an abductor go to the same area that many times just for clothing ???
IDK.. just wondering
 
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Has the LE ever brought in the brother and questioned him? The way the brother was acting after JS was arrested. You would think he would help prove his brother was innocent. Not Harass people and play games pretending to be different people on other websites. What does he know? About the car fire at location where JS lived. Did the LE check that car that no evidence was in it pertaining to LS?

I don't know, but I can't imagine that LE didn't question anybody they thought could help with the investigation. About the car fire, I need to say that something really odd happened to me. When I read about that car fire, I immediately reasoned that the fire was suspicious considering the location of the parked car. I thought, How often does that happen? I've never heard of a car going up in flames spontaneously. It must be connected! Well, wouldn't you know it that just a few weeks thereafter, the very same thing happened a few houses down from me?! :eek:
 
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Thank you for the explanation. I appreciate your help. So it looks as though prosecutors will have no choice but to go for the murder charge now since it is incumbent upon him/her. Being local, I'm surprised that I don't know more about this case than what I read here on this forum. There's not a lot of new information out there that I know about. When I think about it now and then, I stop in to see what's going on. I guess the investigators and LE are keeping things close to their chest.
The prosecutor has up until the Jury is impaneled, or until witnesses are sworn in (Bench Trial) to decide whether or not to change his/her mind. They can drop the charges and then re-instate them if they want to up until that point.
Once the trial starts, they only have one shot at a murder charge, unless the Judge calls a mistrial.

It appears that they are going to try all 3 counts together in one trial. Kidnapping, False Imprisonment, and Murder.
 
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Bumping for Linda.
 
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I shall be out from Wed. 3/24 thru Friday, 3/26 for surgery on my left carotid artery (this time) - so am posting this now. I'll be back home - hopefully - on Saturday.

Friday, March 26th:
*Arraignment Hearing (for murder charges) (@ 1:30pm to 5pm ET) - PA – Linda Stoltzfoos (18) (last seen June 21, 2020, Bird-In-Hand, Lancaster County; not found) – *Justo Roberto Smoker (34/will be 35 in 3 days) arrested (7/10/20 at work at Dutchland, Inc.), charged (7/11/20) & arraigned (8/24/20) with felony 1st degree kidnapping to inflict injury/terror & misdemeanor false imprisonment. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
*Charged (12/14/20) & arraigned (3/26/21) with criminal homicide.
Case & court info from 7/11/20 thru 12/14/20 reference post #9 here:
PA - PA - Linda Stoltzfoos, 18, Bird-in-Hand, Lancaster County, 21 June 2020 *kidnapping arrest* #4

12/18/20 Update: No info on arraignment hearing re murder charge. Next preliminary hearing on 12/30/20 @ 10am before District Judge Denise Cummins.
12/30/20 Update: Preliminary hearing for murder charge was postponed. Murder: Next preliminary on 3/5/21 before Magisterial District Judge B. Denise Commins. No date set for kidnapping charge.

3/5/21 Update: Smoker's defense attorney Chris Tallarico asked the judge to dismiss the murder charge against his client. He argued that there is no certainty Linda got into Smoker's car. During the preliminary hearing, First Assistant Todd E. Brown called lead Detective Christopher Jones of the East Lampeter Township Police Dept., who was the sole witness in the 90-minute hearing. Magisterial District Judge Denise Commins determined there is enough evidence to move forward with the homicide charge against Smoker. Prosecutors will move for consolidation of the charge of homicide with the previously filed charges of kidnapping and false imprisonment for purposes of trial. Smoker's arraignment is March 26 for murder charge.
 
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I shall be out from Wed. 3/24 thru Friday, 3/26 for surgery on my left carotid artery (this time) - so am posting this now. I'll be back home - hopefully - on Saturday.

Friday, March 26th:
*Arraignment Hearing (for murder charges) (@ 1:30pm to 5pm ET) - PA – Linda Stoltzfoos (18) (last seen June 21, 2020, Bird-In-Hand, Lancaster County; not found) – *Justo Roberto Smoker (34/will be 35 in 3 days) arrested (7/10/20 at work at Dutchland, Inc.), charged (7/11/20) & arraigned (8/24/20) with felony 1st degree kidnapping to inflict injury/terror & misdemeanor false imprisonment. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
*Charged (12/14/20) & arraigned (3/26/21) with criminal homicide.
Case & court info from 7/11/20 thru 12/14/20 reference post #9 here:
PA - PA - Linda Stoltzfoos, 18, Bird-in-Hand, Lancaster County, 21 June 2020 *kidnapping arrest* #4

12/18/20 Update: No info on arraignment hearing re murder charge. Next preliminary hearing on 12/30/20 @ 10am before District Judge Denise Cummins.
12/30/20 Update: Preliminary hearing for murder charge was postponed. Murder: Next preliminary on 3/5/21 before Magisterial District Judge B. Denise Commins. No date set for kidnapping charge.

3/5/21 Update: Smoker's defense attorney Chris Tallarico asked the judge to dismiss the murder charge against his client. He argued that there is no certainty Linda got into Smoker's car. During the preliminary hearing, First Assistant Todd E. Brown called lead Detective Christopher Jones of the East Lampeter Township Police Dept., who was the sole witness in the 90-minute hearing. Magisterial District Judge Denise Commins determined there is enough evidence to move forward with the homicide charge against Smoker. Prosecutors will move for consolidation of the charge of homicide with the previously filed charges of kidnapping and false imprisonment for purposes of trial. Smoker's arraignment is March 26 for murder charge.
You're in my prayers, @Niner.
 
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I shall be out from Wed. 3/24 thru Friday, 3/26 for surgery on my left carotid artery (this time) - so am posting this now. I'll be back home - hopefully - on Saturday.

Friday, March 26th:
*Arraignment Hearing (for murder charges) (@ 1:30pm to 5pm ET) - PA – Linda Stoltzfoos (18) (last seen June 21, 2020, Bird-In-Hand, Lancaster County; not found) – *Justo Roberto Smoker (34/will be 35 in 3 days) arrested (7/10/20 at work at Dutchland, Inc.), charged (7/11/20) & arraigned (8/24/20) with felony 1st degree kidnapping to inflict injury/terror & misdemeanor false imprisonment. Plead not guilty. Held without bond.
*Charged (12/14/20) & arraigned (3/26/21) with criminal homicide.
Case & court info from 7/11/20 thru 12/14/20 reference post #9 here:
PA - PA - Linda Stoltzfoos, 18, Bird-in-Hand, Lancaster County, 21 June 2020 *kidnapping arrest* #4

12/18/20 Update: No info on arraignment hearing re murder charge. Next preliminary hearing on 12/30/20 @ 10am before District Judge Denise Cummins.
12/30/20 Update: Preliminary hearing for murder charge was postponed. Murder: Next preliminary on 3/5/21 before Magisterial District Judge B. Denise Commins. No date set for kidnapping charge.

3/5/21 Update: Smoker's defense attorney Chris Tallarico asked the judge to dismiss the murder charge against his client. He argued that there is no certainty Linda got into Smoker's car. During the preliminary hearing, First Assistant Todd E. Brown called lead Detective Christopher Jones of the East Lampeter Township Police Dept., who was the sole witness in the 90-minute hearing. Magisterial District Judge Denise Commins determined there is enough evidence to move forward with the homicide charge against Smoker. Prosecutors will move for consolidation of the charge of homicide with the previously filed charges of kidnapping and false imprisonment for purposes of trial. Smoker's arraignment is March 26 for murder charge.
Good luck @Niner
 

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