PA PA - Monroe Twp, 'Penny Doe', WhtFem 20-40, 246UFPA, near RR trestle, Rt leg broken, Jul'90

[kkirk]

I came across some very interesting information yesterday at work,
I work with a lady that grew up, and lives in that area.
She told me that they have always had their suspiscions of who killed her, but never had enough evidence to convict.(they are local.)
she also stated that there is a swimming hole close to where she was found.
I have the name of the suspects if anybody is interested in researching them.
kathy

 

[ladyhawk]

Hi Kkirk,

That is great news! I wouldn't mention the names but I think it would be okay to mention details that we could all research. Then if we get enough facts we could go see the person in Clarion in charge of Penny's case.

:woohoo:
Ladyhawk

 

[ladyhawk]

I was searching on the web and I found some info on Penny. She was partiallly decomposed, her build was stocky, report stated that she had palatal torus and spheno-occpital synchrondrosis.
I looked up patatal torus which is a bony growth on the palate. Spheno-occitial synchrondrosis is cartilaginous union between the body of the sphenoid and the basilar portion of the occipital; it fuses by the twentieth year and thus has particular importance in forensic anthropology; incorrectly called sphenooccipital suture.

 

[morf13]

How about more info on the anonymous letter police received? Any details? Content?

 

[Arianne]

I have a video tape of Music Alley that year, mostly of the bands though. I was also there.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Stop Light of California.

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Los-Angeles/stop-light-of-california-inc/39867708.aspx

Stop Light of California, Inc. is located at 727 W 7th St Apt 1130 Los Angeles, CA 90017. The officers include Ixxxx M Hxxxxx. Stop Light of California, Inc. was incorporated on Monday, June 26, 1972 in the State of CA and is currently not active. Dxxxx Bxxxxxx represents Stop Light of California, Inc. as their registered agent.

Source: Public Record data - Department of State - Division of Corporations

No longer 'active'.

Notice the apartment address.

Could Penny have lived in the same apartment complex or near-by? Google the location .. an in-ground pool.

The officer ("IMH") of Stop Light of California also owns/owned property.

Check out the map at this link: one property is within (Maryland) driving distance to Penny's discovery location .. if its the same IH.

Turns out there are a few "IMH" and "IH" persons ... just interesting.

http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/search?q=Irene%2BM%2BHensel&classes%5B%5D=Sale

SLoC was incorporated on Monday, June 26, 1972 .. some 18 years before Penny was found wearing their product.

Internet shopping was not broadly established by 1990 so we might safely conclude the clothing was purchased on-site at the Stop Light "store", err, 'apartment'? .. in an apartment building with an in-ground pool?

"IMH" also is first trustee of another $150,000/annual business, 2 employees .. unclassified and products / services not listed.

http://www.manta.com/c/mt9qjpg/irene-mae-hensel-trustee-of-the-first-r

Anyway ..

Custom clothing? Was the clothing hand-made for Penny or for someone who knew Penny?

Was the clothing part of Penny's own wardrobe or was it given to her?

Another oddity:
http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=8694030170

An "IH" is a graduate of:
Our Lady of Grace School
Pittsburgh, PA
Class of 1989
That's ~5 hours drive to Penny's discovery location.

Odd coincidences or more? I just find it interesting.

Is "Penny" related to the "H" family?

For some reason, I feel the source-of/clothing should provide as an important clue / lead.

 

[Arianne]

Was she found on July 22nd or June 22d? There are conflicting reports.

 

[Arianne]

One of the main things that bothers me about this case is that there were no females matching Penny's description that were ever reported missing around that particular time, or even months leading up to when Penny was found. There are no matches on the entire US missing persons data base. Then, as I was driving home from work and passed an Amish buggy, it hit me! Maybe Penny was Amish. There are numerous Amish communities in the surrounding counties. I theorized this for several reasons. First, there were no reported missing young females. Well, if a young girl from an Amish community left the community, she would most likely be disowned and never be reported missing. Second, the condition of her teeth. Absolutely no cavities, but an apparent lack of dental care. Could this be due to a low sugar Amish lifestyle? The fact that she still had a baby tooth leads me to believe she was not receiving dental care. The Amish don't receive dental care. Next, she did not have any jewelry on. I was around Penny's age at the same time and always had some type of jewelry on...as most girls my age did. I wonder if Penny's ears were pierced? The Amish do not wear jewelry or have their ears pierced. Finally, putting found pennys in one's pockets is a superstision for good luck. Could Penny have put found pennys in her pocket? Is this an Amish superstition as well?

Three scenarios came to mind. The first is that Penny met a guy and left the Amish community willingly. She would have not been reported missing. The Amish community would not have known that a body was found either. They do not watch TV or read local newspapers so they would not have known a body was found. Let's say Penny and this guy went to Music Alley. I was there and I know that many people camped there the entire weekend. There were drugs and alcohol galore. Maybe things got out of hand and Penny was killed. The guy dumped her in the remote area that he found by chance, or he actually knew the area. The second scenario is that Penny left the Amish community with a guy and he took her to Clarion County to his house. The clothes she was wearing could have been bought at any local thrift shop. He killed her after an argument, then dumped her. The third scenario is that Penny was kidnapped from the Amish community by a sex offender. The Amish community may have thought she left on her own, so they never reported her missing. The kidnapper rapes her, hits her in the head and kills her, then dresses her in clothes from his sister/wife/girlfriend. He then takes her to the area and dumps her. She had no shoes on so it is likely she didn't walk there. She could have recieved the broken leg after death, from being thrown from the top of the tressle.

If Penny were from the Amish community, it would make sense that she
was unknown by anyone, and never reported missing. I wonder if the police ever looked into this theory, or am I totally off base?

 

[ChuckMaureen]

One of the main things that bothers me about this case is that there were no females matching Penny's description that were ever reported missing around that particular time, or even months leading up to when Penny was found. There are no matches on the entire US missing persons data base. Then, as I was driving home from work and passed an Amish buggy, it hit me! Maybe Penny was Amish. There are numerous Amish communities in the surrounding counties. I theorized this for several reasons. First, there were no reported missing young females. Well, if a young girl from an Amish community left the community, she would most likely be disowned and never be reported missing. Second, the condition of her teeth. Absolutely no cavities, but an apparent lack of dental care. Could this be due to a low sugar Amish lifestyle? The fact that she still had a baby tooth leads me to believe she was not receiving dental care. The Amish don't receive dental care. Next, she did not have any jewelry on. I was around Penny's age at the same time and always had some type of jewelry on...as most girls my age did. I wonder if Penny's ears were pierced? The Amish do not wear jewelry or have their ears pierced. Finally, putting found pennys in one's pockets is a superstision for good luck. Could Penny have put found pennys in her pocket? Is this an Amish superstition as well?

Three scenarios came to mind. The first is that Penny met a guy and left the Amish community willingly. She would have not been reported missing. The Amish community would not have known that a body was found either. They do not watch TV or read local newspapers so they would not have known a body was found. Let's say Penny and this guy went to Music Alley. I was there and I know that many people camped there the entire weekend. There were drugs and alcohol galore. Maybe things got out of hand and Penny was killed. The guy dumped her in the remote area that he found by chance, or he actually knew the area. The second scenario is that Penny left the Amish community with a guy and he took her to Clarion County to his house. The clothes she was wearing could have been bought at any local thrift shop. He killed her after an argument, then dumped her. The third scenario is that Penny was kidnapped from the Amish community by a sex offender. The Amish community may have thought she left on her own, so they never reported her missing. The kidnapper rapes her, hits her in the head and kills her, then dresses her in clothes from his sister/wife/girlfriend. He then takes her to the area and dumps her. She had no shoes on so it is likely she didn't walk there. She could have recieved the broken leg after death, from being thrown from the top of the tressle.

If Penny were from the Amish community, it would make sense that she
was unknown by anyone, and never reported missing. I wonder if the police ever looked into this theory, or am I totally off base?

The Amish girl theory is something I do consider but might not be likely, given this:

http://www.welcome-to-lancaster-county.com/amish-community.html

The Pennsylvania Amish are very reluctant to excommunicate and shun members. In fact, such extreme measures only occur on rare occasion. The practice is only initiated after all attempts to persuade the transgressing member to repent have failed. It is done in the hope that the individual will realize their mistake, repent and rejoin the church. It is certainly not done to harm the individual.
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Although rarely implemented, shunning has proven to be an effective means of social control. For the Pennsylvania Amish who value the importance of community very highly, the fear of being cut off from one's friends and family has likely prevented many individuals from the temptation to join a more moderate church where electricity and automobiles are allowed.
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[excommunication]: ...if an Amish businessman needs to own and use a computer for a business project, he is usually permitted several months to complete his project before he must get rid of the computer.

To be clear, the Amish are not naive to what exists in the world. And of course Penny's situation may have been one of those shunning rarities but I do not believe so. LE certainly would have followed up with the Amish communities in attempts to identify her and the Amish would fully cooperate in helping to identify her if she were one of their own, shunned or not.

http://www.pennsylvaniamissing.com/246ufpaclarioncountyjd.html

On Friday, July 22,1990, two children were hunting for berries in a remote area of Monroe Twp, about 3 miles south of I-80 near Reidsburg. As they were crossing under a railroad trestle, they saw what they thought was a deer lying in a stream bed. As they got closer, they found that it was a body, lying face down in the muddy water.

An autopsy showed that she had suffered blunt force trauma to the right side of her skull. It also revealed that her right leg was broken.

http://doenetwork.org/cases/246ufpa.html

This victim was discovered on July 22, 1990 in a stream bed by Road 535 in Monroe Township, Clarion County, Pennsylvania approximately 3 miles south of I-80, not a well traveled road. She was found in the stream by teenagers who were crossing under a railroad trestle while they were bear hunting. The teenagers observed something laying in the stream which they thought was a deer but upon further examination discovered it was a body.

Authorities are convinced there are individuals in Clarion County who had contact with the woman and can help state police identify her and help find her killer. They do not believe the women is from the county or the immediate area, but believe she was brought to the area by a local individual. They also believe she was not in Clarion County long, at most a month, before she was killed.

The purposeful disparity between the case file as presented on each of the above linked web sites is interesting .. and telling.

LE is convinced this is a 'local' crime perpetrated against a 'not local' girl.

LE will know if someone comes forward with information is being truthful when LE compares what that someone says to what exactly was the condition of Penny, her specific location, what was and was not on or near her body, etc. LE is holding back something.

Also, how do you get from "children hunting berries" to "teens hunting bears" but yet the "thought was a deer" part matches? What is LE's angle regarding the 'disparity'? Who really found Penny and what were they doing in that location when they found her? This tells me LE expects this crime to be *very* local and possibly those who found her were indirectly led to be in that area for the actual purpose of 'discovering' Penny.

 

[Arianne]

Yes, you may be right, but what if she left willingly and just never came back? I don't think they would have reported her missing if she left willingly and was over the age of 18. They probably wouldn't have gone looking for her if they thought she wanted out of the Amish community, but maybe would have let her back in the community and not shunned her if she did come back. I am just having a hard time with the fact that no one ever reported a young girl missing. She had to have contact with people at some point in her life. The Amish theory is the only one I could come up with to explain this. If they didn't read the paper or watch the news (as they don't do this), the Amish would never have known she belonged to them and came forward to claim the girl.

 

[MorenoI]

Stop Light of California.


Odd coincidences or more? I just find it interesting.

Is "Penny" related to the "H" family?

For some reason, I feel the source-of/clothing should provide as an important clue / lead.

That's great research, after reading all this info I think you are on the right track. JMO

 

[Arianne]

I forgot to add, if Penny were Amish, it would depend on which Amish sect she belonged to. Some are far more stict than others.

 

[carbuff]

Yes, you may be right, but what if she left willingly and just never came back? I don't think they would have reported her missing if she left willingly and was over the age of 18. They probably wouldn't have gone looking for her if they thought she wanted out of the Amish community, but maybe would have let her back in the community and not shunned her if she did come back. I am just having a hard time with the fact that no one ever reported a young girl missing. She had to have contact with people at some point in her life. The Amish theory is the only one I could come up with to explain this. If they didn't read the paper or watch the news (as they don't do this), the Amish would never have known she belonged to them and came forward to claim the girl.

Just because someone leaves the community to live elsewhere doesn't automatically mean they're shunned in most sects, either. Especially by their own family. Many young people do leave for a few years and then return.

I think it's a mistake to assume she was never reported missing or that her family didn't look for her. We hear so many stories of police and sheriff's departments that refused to take a report, or took it and just threw it in a filing cabinet, or looked but never came up with anything. No matter where she's from or what her background, it's possible her family never heard about the girl being found. And there have been several recent cases where a missing person was found nearby and soon after going missing, but for reasons of jurisdiction or incompetence or whatever, the connection was never made.

And of course if she left on bad terms with the family, they might be sad they never heard from her again but not attribute it to anything like this.

 

[Arianne]

I wish they would present this case on one of the Discovery ID shows. Maybe someone would recognize her or have information about her murder.

 

[Arianne]

What about this girl? She disappeared on her 15th birthday from DuBois PA. Clarion and DuBois are less than a 30 minute drive apart when traveling via
I-80. She disappeared in 1986, but could have been a runaway that stayed or returned to the area. There is not much info provided on Tamara, but the NaMus link has photos and the middle one looks a lot like Penny Doe. The height and weight are on target as well. Please look at the teeth. One front tooth is shorter than the other. Who do I contact about this? What do others think? Go to the NaMus site/images/middle picture/ and then enlarge it.....


https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7919/756

 

[CarlK90245]

Who do I contact about this?

There are a few options:

You could approach it either on the UID side, by calling or e-mailing the detective or MedEx office in charge of the unidentified decedent. This contact is usually listed at the bottom of the DoeNet casefile. In this instance it is Trooper Jason Scholl of the Pennsylvania State Police, Clarion Criminal Investigation Unit.

Your second option is to call the NamUs case manager listed in the Contacts of the either the Missing Person's or the UID's NamUs casefile.

Thirdly, you could contact the Law Enforcement agency in charge of the Missing Person's case (usually listed at the bottom of the Charley Project or Doe Network case file for the Missing Person.

I usually go with for the first option, unless I know from past experience that the person listed has been unresponsive to previous inquiries.

Please look at the teeth. One front tooth is shorter than the other.

The skull shown in NamUs is missing two of her front teeth (7 & 8) postmortem, so you can't evaluate whether her front teeth are similarly aligned.

But I do agree that Tamara bears a good resemblance to the facial reconstruction.

 

[Arianne]

One of the sites said the Penny had odd front teeth when found. One was short and stubby, while the other front tooth was long.

 

[Carolyn H.]

To me, there are so many similarities between Tamara and Penny Doe (not to mention the proximity) that it's hard to believe Tamara wouldn't have been looked out and ruled out for some reason that we don't know. I suppose it's possible the match-up somehow fell between the cracks, but from everything that's visible and public, this match looks almost like a no-brainer.

 

[chaddylex]

I would say submit it Arianne, I also see a resemblence. It could have been a case that did slip through the cracks considering how close Dubois and Clairion are.. (I live South of Pittsburgh). Would be nice if Penny had a list of rule outs on her page.

If you feel uncomfortable about submitting, please let us know. Someone will do it for you. I would say the best person on this board is CarlK when contacting LE. I know myself from turning in a good bit of possible matches, I feel better contacting them by email, I don't like making calls.

Keep us updated!!

 

[Arianne]

Thanks everyone for your responses. I did contact both LE and NaMus about this. LE told me that they did do a comparison and it was ruled out. I am not sure when this occurred or what method they used. I was reading a thread on Tamara and her sister posted that her parents had never reported Tamara missing. The sister said she reported her missing in 1994. She also posted that last summer the police were taking DNA samples from both her and her brother. There were no posts about the results. Anyway, I wonder which method they used to rule her out, and how long ago. The similarities between Tamara and Jane Do are so striking. I am hoping they used the DNA as a rule out. The Center for Expoited and Missing children also contacted me. They said they would use my information as a lead. I wonder if they are aware that the police ruled the two out as the same? I am confused by the two separate responses. Anyway, I will keep you updated on any further information I receive. Thanks again!