PA PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #12

[Pink Panther]

I spoke a bit too soon. There is something related. Victim 6 will be getting some documentation related to Victim 6: http://www.centredaily.com/2014/03/18/4091149/some-freeh-investigation-material.html

I am utterly disgusted by this article. Unbelievable that the law protects this chite. I don't think that Ray would have put up with this. Always checking in and hoping for something new JJ.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I am utterly disgusted by this article. Unbelievable that the law protects this chite. I don't think that Ray would have put up with this. Always checking in and hoping for something new JJ.

The analogy might be bad.

As DA, RFG was required to disclose evidence. RFG would have no involvement in civil cases.

I am not sure what part of this raises the complaint, that they won't release the information or that they are being forced to.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I was thinking about this case when I realized that all five seasons of the ID Discovery Show "Disappeared" are on Netflix now.

The show about Gricar is in Season 3, Episode 9 "A Family's Curse"

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I was thinking about this case when I realized that all five seasons of the ID Discovery Show "Disappeared" are on Netflix now.

The show about Gricar is in Season 3, Episode 9 "A Family's Curse"

There were two versions, with a slight editing difference:

1. 2/28/11

2. 11/11 One just after the Sandusky Scandal broke. It included a few comments on the scandal. The edited a comment of Tony Gricar from the first that made it look like he was commenting on the Sandusky Scandal.

Personally, I wouldn't have done that. I try to quote in context.

 

[MissJ]

JMO, but I hope we find out some day that RFG did in fact walk off and is ok.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Some skeletal remains were found in Schuylkill County, about a 58 mile drive from Lewisburg. It is close enough that I am noting it.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/in...over_skeletal_human.html#incart_river_default

No gender, so Kortne Stouffer, who disappered about 10 miles closer, is perhaps a better possibility.

 

[Steely Dan]

Some skeletal remains were found in Schuylkill County, about a 58 mile drive from Lewisburg. It is close enough that I am noting it.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/in...over_skeletal_human.html#incart_river_default

No gender, so Kortne Stouffer, who disappered about 10 miles closer, is perhaps a better possibility.

Whoah! If it is Gricar I hope they can determine a manner of death.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Whoah! If it is Gricar I hope they can determine a manner of death.

It is one of things that I keep an eye on, though it might be ruled out at any moment.

First, it would be close enough to Lewisburg that it could plausiby be RFG. Second, the remains are skeletal. It is one of those things that can't be immediately dismissed.

 

[Steely Dan]

It is one of things that I keep an eye on, though it might be ruled out at any moment.

First, it would be close enough to Lewisburg that it could plausiby be RFG. Second, the remains are skeletal. It is one of those things that can't be immediately dismissed.

They might be able to see cuts on the bones if he was stabbed to death. They could see a bullet wound through the skull. and other things.

Good God I know too much about this stuff. If the police ever confiscate my computer they're be all sorts of weird :censored: on it due this website. :dunno:

 

[J. J. in Phila]

They could possibly tell if the neck was broken prior to death. Some poisons might leave chemical traces in the bones.

It is a long shot that this is RFG, but, as I've said before, I keep an eye on them all.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

They think the remains are of a man that disappeared in 2011.

http://m.wfmz.com/skeletal-remains-found-in-schuylkill-county-could-be-missing-person/25228126

That is not confirmed.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Probably a man by the name of Lucas, who disappeared in 2011: http://republicanherald.com/news/forensic-team-searches-area-in-new-castle-township-1.1659601

 

[J. J. in Phila]

New blog up, but it is retrospective. Tomorrow is the fourth anniversary of the now ended Parks Miller review panel and the third anniversary of the first Sandusky story.

 

[Berry]

Ray Gricar asked a work colleague how to hide in plain sight.. before he went missing?

 

[Steely Dan]

Ray Gricar asked a work colleague how to hide in plain sight.. before he went missing?

Where did you hear that?

 

[MissJ]

Ray Gricar asked a work colleague how to hide in plain sight.. before he went missing?

Can you provide a link for that? Not sure I'd believe that a man of RFG's intelligence would need to ask a colleague for that kind of information. with all the information available today on the internet why would he need to ask?

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Ray Gricar asked a work colleague how to hide in plain sight.. before he went missing?

At some point after 1993, RFG did discuss the Mel Wiley case (ruled a voluntary departure) with Sloane. http://www.centredaily.com/2009/02/22/2397093/wiley-and-gricar-the-timing.html It is very unlikely that RFG ever met Wiley (they were from different counties). RFG had been in Centre County for about 6 years when Wiley disappeared. The case did get national coverage in 1985.

Now that isn't quite asking him "how to hide in plain sight."

Sloane absolutely believes RFG walked away, but belief is not evidence. In some correspondence with Sloane a few years ago, I raised the possibility of foul play (and have not even come close to ruling that out). Sloane's response was four words: "He is NOT dead." No emphasis is added.

 

[SeekingJana]

Playing " Devil's Advocate" for a second...
IF Ray had to ask someone else how to disappear, then chances are, nothing they could tell him would cover the subject matter fully enough for a voluntary disappearance to be successful.
A person who hasn't been a "fringe" type person needs skills and resources to successfully leave a documented life behind. I don't know if any can do it in 2014.
Of course, if people presently are successful, then we never know it, success meaning they have disappeared to an unknown destination, right?

IMO, there's much more likelihood that Mr. Gricar's remains will be found at some point in time.
Or, we may never know in our lifetimes. People in Europe often accidentally find bones that were hidden centuries ago.

I am learning that sometimes, there simply are no answers available to us in this lifetime for things that are so difficult to accept. It is hard to accept that there might never be a proper funeral and burial of a good and productive man who did so much for justice in Centre County. It's hard to accept that he may have been killed, for many reasons.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Good to see you post.

While RFG wasn't a "fringe" type person, he dealt with a lot of people that were for decades. In that regard, he was a lot like Mel Wiley. Wiley was a police chief and knew what others had done to obscure their identities.

An average person would have difficulty. RFG was well above average.

 

[BigCat]

There were two versions, with a slight editing difference:

1. 2/28/11

2. 11/11 One just after the Sandusky Scandal broke. It included a few comments on the scandal. The edited a comment of Tony Gricar from the first that made it look like he was commenting on the Sandusky Scandal.

Personally, I wouldn't have done that. I try to quote in context.

I watched the episode again this afternoon on ID. There is a brief mention of the Sandusky Scandal around the 59 minute mark.

I'm still waiting on a hard journalistic look at the 98 investigation. Surely, someone is looking into the investigation. Maybe he or she is waiting for the results of the Spanier/Curley/Schultz trials before publishing it. That's my hope anyway.