PA PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #6

[cloudbuster05]

I am so lost in the sauce...

Sorry!! See Ray the day before he disappeared went to Raystown Lake as JJ said about 11 or 11:30 AM. When he returned he was annoyed, so he couldn't have left work to travel to relieve stress. Raystown Lake is well over a hour drive. Something had to have him annoyed that points to possibly meeting someone at the Marina. Its almost like whatever was to happen just didn't. To me that led into the 4-15-2005 disappearance. That person who he met would of set up a 15th meeting to complete whatever business wasn't completed on the 14th. It could of been a set up. To me the first connor stone of the puzzle.

 

[arielilane]

Sorry!! See Ray the day before he disappeared went to Raystown Lake as JJ said about 11 or 11:30 AM. When he returned he was annoyed, so he couldn't have left work to travel to relieve stress. Raystown Lake is well over a hour drive. Something had to have him annoyed that points to possibly meeting someone at the Marina. Its almost like whatever was to happen just didn't. To me that led into the 4-15-2005 disappearance. That person who he met would of set up a 15th meeting to complete whatever business wasn't completed on the 14th. It could of been a set up. To me the first connor stone of the puzzle.

Thank you, cloudbuster05, for taking the time to explain this to me.

 

[PeteJ]

This case interests me because I once lived in the area and I am a psychiatric professional. MOO. But IF he walked away he must have been in fear for his life and maybe the daughter knows. Why else give up the pension money and try to survive on nothing? The other thought is that he knew something that put his life in jeopardy and he had to leave regardless of money or the lack thereof...?

 

[cloudbuster05]

This case interests me because I once lived in the area and I am a psychiatric professional. MOO. But IF he walked away he must have been in fear for his life and maybe the daughter knows. Why else give up the pension money and try to survive on nothing? The other thought is that he knew something that put his life in jeopardy and he had to leave regardless of money or the lack thereof...?

I personally don't think his daughter knows anything. Ray prosecuted many high profile cases and he never ran. I believe he stumbled unto something that caused his disappearance. Someone didn't want the laptop to see the light of day so why would they want Ray around? Everyone thinks Ray threw his laptop in the river and thats just not logical for the DA to break the law so close to retirement. Welcome aboard!!!:innocent:

 

[J. J. in Phila]

This case interests me because I once lived in the area and I am a psychiatric professional. MOO. But IF he walked away he must have been in fear for his life and maybe the daughter knows. Why else give up the pension money and try to survive on nothing? The other thought is that he knew something that put his life in jeopardy and he had to leave regardless of money or the lack thereof...?

One of the questions has been if RFG had additional money that he could have accessed. He had been grossing more $100,000 per year for about 5-6 years prior to has disappearance, just in salary. After his 2001 divorce, he had very few expenses.

He had, in known assets, just over $100 K, when they checked after he disappeared. Even looking at some expenditures, not counting any interest or outside investments, taking into account taxes, there is still at least $80-$100 k not accounted for after his divorce. That also assumes that after his divorce, he was absolutely broke. From what I've heard, he did have some money after his divorce; there was also disposition of his house during his divorce.

Further, the estimate is very generous on what his known expenditures were.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Everyone thinks Ray threw his laptop in the river and thats just not logical for the DA to break the law so close to retirement.

On that point, he simply could have bought the laptop from the county. It was a used laptop at that point and wouldn't have had a particularly high value.

 

[twinkiesmom]

Just wondering if Ray was rigid in his personal morality (e.g., serial monogamy) or would have been open to a hook up if one was offered to him.

Also, was surprised to read in that book chapter that PF was a new girlfriend...I never got that impression from previous reports.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Just wondering if Ray was rigid in his personal morality (e.g., serial monogamy) or would have been open to a hook up if one was offered to him.

Also, was surprised to read in that book chapter that PF was a new girlfriend...I never got that impression from previous reports.

He was married until 2000-01 and they were not a couple until 2002-03.

I do know that he dated other women between marriages, but I wouldn't call that too unusual.

At least one friend has suggested that he could have checked into a motel with another woman. Several people who knew him thought it was possible for him to have been with an old girlfriend, from the description of the Mystery Woman. She was the one on Long Island, according to LE.

There were rumors, but that is common for people in the public eye. I once kept a list of everyone I was supposedly involved with when I was politically active, and I think there were 5-10 names on it. I wasn't involved with any of them; one of them was dating my father!!! (He was a widower and she a widow, so it wasn't improper.)

 

[ThePhantom]

I feel down about the whole case. I understand why they had to declare Mr. Gricar as being deceased. To think that we may never know what happened to him is discouraging. It's depressing to think his body could be caught in the river somewhere, or -- that he might have been set up, murdered and taken to points elsewhere. No one knows. Are the police really done investigating? Surely it cannot be considered a closed case. It's easy to surmise he may have committed suicide since apparently he had been depressed.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I feel down about the whole case. I understand why they had to declare Mr. Gricar as being deceased. To think that we may never know what happened to him is discouraging. It's depressing to think his body could be caught in the river somewhere, or -- that he might have been set up, murdered and taken to points elsewhere. No one knows. Are the police really done investigating? Surely it cannot be considered a closed case. It's easy to surmise he may have committed suicide since apparently he had been depressed.

The declaration of death is an administrative thing; it doesn't have anything to do with the investigation, except stating that LE did an investigation.

As for the river, it is very unlikely the body was ever there, either, suicide or disposal after murder. I think there were at least five separate searches of the Susquehanna in the first week after the Mini was found, including by air, along the bank on foot, by divers. It was searched at least once more in August. On top of that kayakers were looking. Also 4/16 was the first day of fishing season.

If the body was in the water, it would have been found.

 

[georgiagirl]

And forgive me if this has already been put out there as a possibility. I am no expert on this case but have quietly followed it.

I think he did walk away but I think it was with someone and not alone. I believe that Ray started a relationship with someone who he could never go public with. I think he may have fallen in love with a woman who was off-limits for some reason. And that may explain why he felt he had to walk away from his life completely. I think he had been planning this for awhile and alot of information pertaining to those plans and correspondence with the woman was on the laptop. If he fell in love with a man then that would have been taboo enough for him to feel like he could not go public but my gut says it was a woman.

Okay.... feel free to shot holes in my theory! lol

 

[J. J. in Phila]

And forgive me if this has already been put out there as a possibility. I am no expert on this case but have quietly followed it.

I think he did walk away but I think it was with someone and not alone. I believe that Ray started a relationship with someone who he could never go public with. I think he may have fallen in love with a woman who was off-limits for some reason. And that may explain why he felt he had to walk away from his life completely. I think he had been planning this for awhile and alot of information pertaining to those plans and correspondence with the woman was on the laptop. If he fell in love with a man then that would have been taboo enough for him to feel like he could not go public but my gut says it was a woman.

Okay.... feel free to shot holes in my theory! lol

Well, there isn't a missing woman, or man, for that matter.

Also remember, RFG was not running for DA again and he was not planning to practice law. He wasn't married, so it's not an abandonment situation.

SeekingJana brought up the point that he could be secretly living with another woman, who would still be living as herself. It's possible, but why? He's not worried about re-election or his career, and if he walked away, it almost certainly was planned.

I can't imaging anyone that would be off-limits. Even if it was a prostitute fresh out of prison, in 8 months, it wouldn't have made a difference.

 

[cloudbuster05]

On that point, he simply could have bought the laptop from the county. It was a used laptop at that point and wouldn't have had a particularly high value.

Problem is he didn't buy it. That would work if he had, but he didn't.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Problem is he didn't buy it. That would work if he had, but he didn't.

It could have been paid for after the fact.

One question that I've had is, did RFG make any effort to research getting a replacement drive for the laptop.

 

[cloudbuster05]

It could have been paid for after the fact.

One question that I've had is, did RFG make any effort to research getting a replacement drive for the laptop.

Yes it could of been paid for after the fact but when is the after the fact going to occur? Its been over 6 years 3 months now. Why hasn't he been able to after the fact pay for it? If he could don't you think he would of as a outstanding law abiding citizen with a district attorney status?:fence:

 

[cloudbuster05]

It could have been paid for after the fact.

One question that I've had is, did RFG make any effort to research getting a replacement drive for the laptop.

If he walked off as you think, why would he bother to research getting a replacement drive for a laptop you think he destroyed? Why not just pay for it if you could? It's obvious to me he was incapable of paying for it. Heck he could of used his credit cards to make a payment by phone to county or a check but obviously something prevented that from happening. Its been over 6 years and he hasn't used his credit cards or checking account and I won't even get into his healthcare insurance.

The only child he had he missed her wedding. The ultimate apple of his eye had to go down the aisle without her father giving her away. So sad. What prevented that? Im sorry but I don't believe another woman would prevent Ray from being there for Lara on her wedding day.

No one lives poor when they don't have to. Someone very wise told me that and I agree!!

 

[cloudbuster05]

Just wondering if Ray was rigid in his personal morality (e.g., serial monogamy) or would have been open to a hook up if one was offered to him.

Also, was surprised to read in that book chapter that PF was a new girlfriend...I never got that impression from previous reports.

I think Ray could of been open to a hook up if it was offered, but not the running off part at least not this long. PF changed her job in Jan 05 from a victim witness advocate which 2 and a half months later Ray disappeared. She took a lower paying position as a clerk. That same Jan 05 a home computer was purchased and she and Ray stopped using the laptop that eventually was found in the water. I think something was going on at work possibly, at least it looks like it started there judging by the times above. The attorney General was about to use Cisco to change the computers also in that Jan 05 time frame. Under Cisco that system would make it virtually impossible to dispose of anything on the gov computers. Thats interesting to me. If someone in the courthouse or affliated, was involved in the disappearance, how hard would it be to use Rays office computer to do a search map on Lewisburg???? Also how hard would it be for the same person to slap a purdue book on Mark Smiths desk pertaining on how to take over for a district attorney? That person knew exactly what book explained procedure to follow in the event of needing to take over. Ray didn't need a Lewisburg map but sure seems like someone needed to leave a marker making it point to planned walk away. If Ray was trying to be so discreet why would he do that? It don't make sense that he did IMO.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Yes it could of been paid for after the fact but when is the after the fact going to occur? Its been over 6 years 3 months now. Why hasn't he been able to after the fact pay for it? If he could don't you think he would of as a outstanding law abiding citizen with a district attorney status?:fence:

Even if he didn't pay for it directly, the county could still make a claim for it. He had enough in just salary he didn't get (from the last week when he was there) to cover it.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

If he walked off as you think, why would he bother to research getting a replacement drive for a laptop you think he destroyed? Why not just pay for it if you could? It's obvious to me he was incapable of paying for it. Heck he could of used his credit cards to make a payment by phone to county or a check but obviously something prevented that from happening. Its been over 6 years and he hasn't used his credit cards or checking account and I won't even get into his healthcare insurance.

Prior to disappearing, of course.

I'm looking to see if he was planning to destroy the drive, but then replace it with a clean one. If he did that, it would be a very good indication that he planned to return.

The only child he had he missed her wedding. The ultimate apple of his eye had to go down the aisle without her father giving her away. So sad. What prevented that? Im sorry but I don't believe another woman would prevent Ray from being there for Lara on her wedding day.

Oh, I can think of 300-400 k reasons for him to do that.

No one lives poor when they don't have to. Someone very wise told me that and I agree!!

That is another reason to look at his financial situation. One of the questions is if all his assets are there. For a guy who made over $110 K per year, had no rent or mortgage, virtually no business overhead, and didn't even have car payments, that is not explainable.

 

[cloudbuster05]

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cloubuster05
The only child he had he missed her wedding. The ultimate apple of his eye had to go down the aisle without her father giving her away. So sad. What prevented that? Im sorry but I don't believe another woman would prevent Ray from being there for Lara on her wedding day.

Oh, I can think of 300-400 k reasons for him to do that.

Can you give me a few of the 300, 400 k reasons?
Even a few to help me understand, being you have no children, Im curious what reasons there is from someone who can shed light on that, being you have no children. If you don't mind. Maybe Im not seeing this correctly because I too have a only child. TIA