PA PA - Ray Gricar, 59, Bellefonte, 15 April 2005 - #7

[minazoe]

again, I would be so interested in knowing Ray's record for prosecuting sex crimes against children.

I can see the police as dragging their feet...not really helping...

I can see that the first thing you would want to do in an investigation and complaints like this, would be to move forward and contact those who could be likely victims, or possible victims due to their direct relationships with Jerry.

Also 1998 is not the 1950's,
even if he could not win a case, he still could have made a case and effectively ruined Sandusky right there by letting it go as public as possible.

so, how could Ray sleep at night? surely he has been privy to the most disturbing and sickening child abuse cases...surely he knows that Jerry would continue on...with these poor little boys..

what a rotten job.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

again, I would be so interested in knowing Ray's record for prosecuting sex crimes against children.

I can see the police as dragging their feet...not really helping...

The police produced a nearly 100 page report; they were not dragging their feet.

I can see that the first thing you would want to do in an investigation and complaints like this, would be to move forward and contact those who could be likely victims, or possible victims due to their direct relationships with Jerry.

A DA has the authority to call a grand jury; RFG chose not to call one.

so, how could Ray sleep at night? surely he has been privy to the most disturbing and sickening child abuse cases...surely he knows that Jerry would continue on...with these poor little boys..

what a rotten job.

I agree with the "rotten job," but you also have to remember that the 1998 incident had no overt sexual contact; it was not a rape, though it fell under a sex crime type heading.

 

[minazoe]

I hate this case.

lolz.

 

[minazoe]

glad to hear the police didn't drag...means the buck stops at Ray street.

so...

I will take my feminine emotions out of this and look at it from a more objective angle.

I don't have enough to win a prosecution, so I will not waste the State's money going after an icon of charity...or a garbage man or whomever with the complaint I see here.

ok...

really? If the garbage man was showering naked with young boys who he was entrusted to babysit, basically...you would NOT prosecute..it would not be indecent liberty with a child at least?

ok, is that because he's a coach and there is a certain proximity to the shower room that allows for this contact to be possible or probable because sports dictate physical contact and on site showering as the male domain?

so Ray concluded that because of this proximity, he had to have more admission of sexual contact to make a case.

so Jerry use's the locker room to protect himself, because he can always have an excuse for being there, exposing himself and entertaining children at a Sports facility.

 

[Lord_Chatterly]

again, I would be so interested in knowing Ray's record for prosecuting sex crimes against children.

I can see the police as dragging their feet...not really helping...

I can see that the first thing you would want to do in an investigation and complaints like this, would be to move forward and contact those who could be likely victims, or possible victims due to their direct relationships with Jerry.

Also 1998 is not the 1950's,
even if he could not win a case, he still could have made a case and effectively ruined Sandusky right there by letting it go as public as possible.

so, how could Ray sleep at night? surely he has been privy to the most disturbing and sickening child abuse cases...surely he knows that Jerry would continue on...with these poor little boys..

what a rotten job.

RFG risks double jeopardy back in 1998. MOO, he needs to let the "case" against JS to develop. Then the 2002 WITNESSED rape. I look at the two year window from 2002 thru 2004 as how RFG was with all this. Idk what that could have been, but, yes, there must have been a struggle within him.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

RFG risks double jeopardy back in 1998. MOO, he needs to let the "case" against JS to develop. Then the 2002 WITNESSED rape. I look at the two year window from 2002 thru 2004 as how RFG was with all this. Idk what that could have been, but, yes, there must have been a struggle within him.

Double jeopardy would only apply if RFG had a stronger case than in 1998. It would be an impossibility that more evidence would come forward in regard to the Victim 6 incident.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Disappeared is running again and they are mentioning some PSU stuff. That wasn't in the original.

It's on Investigative Discovery Channel.

 

[Snarky247]

I'm watching with the spouse (thank you Penn State for helping draw my husband into my dark little hobby of web sleuthing)....he just said "Wow...2 stone skippers happen to notice a hard drive in the water - and care?" Given his fresh eyes on the story, it's interesting to me that he said that because now that I think about it, yeah...that is a little bizarre that 2 people who find it - and care enough to go into the water for it - or report it to the cops.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I'm watching with the spouse (thank you Penn State for helping draw my husband into my dark little hobby of web sleuthing)....he just said "Wow...2 stone skippers happen to notice a hard drive in the water - and care?" Given his fresh eyes on the story, it's interesting to me that he said that because now that I think about it, yeah...that is a little bizarre that 2 people who find it - and care enough to go into the water for it - or report it to the cops.

The river had receded by that point; the drive was exposed.

 

[SeekingJana]

Very responsible journalism.
BTW, this was not in their scheduled programming. Some program about a girl knowing who killed her and a photo of an angel statue in a cemetery were supposed to air in the time slot.

My spouse watched with me. He says 80% walkaway, 20% murder.. Odds would change if anything comes out about violence against adults in the Sandusky case. As he pointed out, RG wasn't the only person in LE who would have to be silenced/ paid off/ killed to get the Sandusky child sex abuse cases to " go away".
My husband's a lot like RG, I think. Extremely quiet, IQ above 160. I'm hoping his odds are good and valid ones. ( He gave suicide a 0 %- forgot to say that ).

Maria

 

[J. J. in Phila]

There was a bit of creative editing in Disappeared. Tony's last comments referred to the new investigation by the current DA. They made it sound like he was referring to the Sandusky investigation.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Very responsible journalism.
BTW, this was not in their scheduled programming. Some program about a girl knowing who killed her and a photo of an angel statue in a cemetery were supposed to air in the time slot.

My spouse watched with me. He says 80% walkaway, 20% murder.. Odds would change if anything comes out about violence against adults in the Sandusky case. As he pointed out, RG wasn't the only person in LE who would have to be silenced/ paid off/ killed to get the Sandusky child sex abuse cases to " go away".
My husband's a lot like RG, I think. Extremely quiet, IQ above 160. I'm hoping his odds are good and valid ones. ( He gave suicide a 0 %- forgot to say that ).

Maria

I'm no where near 80%. Low 50's at best. The violence against adults is a good point, however. All the other witnesses are still alive.

 

[twinkiesmom]

I'm no where near 80%. Low 50's at best. The violence against adults is a good point, however. All the other witnesses are still alive.

The witnesses we know about were able to keep quiet and act like nothing was wrong (IMHO). I know some may argue the lack of prosecution...but what we know of Ray, he would not be able to do so.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

The witnesses we know about were able to keep quiet and act like nothing was wrong (IMHO). I know some may argue the lack of prosecution...but what we know of Ray, he would not be able to do so.

Well, he didn't prosecute it for 7 years. He was acting strangely for no more than 5 weeks of that.

 

[curiousjo]

If it's true that he registered the car to his girlfriend, had his daughter on his bank account and cleaned the computer, then it suggests he was planning to exit. Any chance of mid life crisis? Only thing - how could he leave his daughter? I heard that his mini Cooper had secret compartments - any chance that he would have left a note to his gf or daughter? They may have found it before the LE realized this and re explored the car.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

If it's true that he registered the car to his girlfriend, had his daughter on his bank account and cleaned the computer, then it suggests he was planning to exit. Any chance of mid life crisis? Only thing - how could he leave his daughter? I heard that his mini Cooper had secret compartments - any chance that he would have left a note to his gf or daughter? They may have found it before the LE realized this and re explored the car.

The car was purchased in his girlfriend's name, PEF. He had his daughter on his bank account. Both could just as easily be an example of estate planning.

RFG asked others about how to get rid of the data on the laptop and did the searches.

LG, the daughter, passed a polygraph in September of 2005. It is unlikely there was a note.

(Yes, I play Devil's Advocate a lot.)

 

[SeekingJana]

There was a bit of creative editing in Disappeared. Tony's last comments referred to the new investigation by the current DA. They made it sound like he was referring to the Sandusky investigation.

OK, I'm just going to come out and say it. When TG opens his mouth, all I can glean from his " opinions" is" blah blah blah ROY Gricer commited suicide".

I'm sorry but I really cannot get interested in ANYTHING Tony Gricar says because his viewpoint is sooo tainted by his father's suicide. This is natural and mornal, but it makes him a very unreliable " spokesperson" in the RAY Gricar case, IMO.
His pain regarding his father overshadows the known facts about Ray's case, IOW. I'm so glad the other nephew isn't so verbose about Roy's suicide. Tony has no more idea what happened to Ray than my dog does. He should not be the " family spokesperson" in the future, IMO. He has tunnel vision and it all goes back to his own dad's death. He can't separate the two brothers in his head well enough to help his uncle.

If you read here, Tony, I am sorry about your dad's suicide and pray probably 100 times a day for your uncle's safety.From a profesional point of virew, I definitely do not think Ray Gricar comitted suicide in the Susquehannah River or by other means.

MY expanations for the " excessive sleeping" in the days to week before he went missing are that Ray was PROBABLY sneaking out of bed late at night and working on the finer details of his walkaway, either with internet communication to another person ( which I favor considering the Mapquest map found on the other computer) or alone.Stay up all night, and you're sleepy in the daytime.

The OTHER theory I have about his change in circadian rhythm is that he might have been sleeping more during the day than at night is because he may have been both anxious about the immediate future AND was acclimating his body to a foreign time zone where our day would be his night and his night would be our day... It is VERY hard to be 100% on your best game if you are suffering from severe jet lag. He may have thought ahead enough to change his sleep habits! I do think he's smart enough to think of it.

I really think if he was that afraid that someone was going to harm him, he would definitely called upon his old friends in LE and the attorney friends. A person in LE who feels they are a walking target does not play stoic, they play it safe. BTDT.

JMO.
Maria

 

[gozagoza]

Where is "P-Lo" these days? Is she teaching business at Penn State?

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Where is "P-Lo" these days? Is she teaching business at Penn State?

"P Fo'" never taught. That was his first wife, BG. Patty Fornicola (PEF) was a victim/witness advocate at the DA's Office, until she became a clerk. She stayed until late 2009, when she took a position with the DWI Court in Bellefonte. As far as know, that is where she is now.

I should point out that she was not with RFG in 1998. At that point RFG was married to wife #2. PEF and RFG were not a couple until 2002-2003, after the divorce from 2000-01.

 

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