PA PA - Richard Petrone 35 & Danielle Imbo 34, Philadelphia, 19 Feb 2005 #2

[audrey77]

P.S. I am operating on the assumption that they did not cross the river to NJ. Their truck would certainly stand out on a secrity camera. What I have read suggests the LE assumes they did not cross the bridge. What about EAZY-PASS (or what ever it is call out there)? Richard commuted every day to NJ so he must have had one. Is there a toll gate eastbound on those bridges?.That should settle the issue.

You pay tolls going into PA and not into NJ (you pay westbound). The bridges are operated by a joint Delaware River Commission. You used to pay both ways (even using tokens!), but now you just pay double going into PA. It's a lot like coming and going over the GW bridge from NJ to NYC.... the running joke is that no matter where you are, you have to pay to get out of Jersey.

There are smaller bridges however (like in the Trenton area) that allow you to cross either way for free.

 

[audrey77]

Although I understand your families frustrations about not being able to find your loved ones, I do have to point out that you seem to be lashing out at the very ones who are trying to help you. I absolutly mean no disrespect here, however after reading through ALL the pages, it seems to be that if someone posts an opinion or suggestion that you disagree with, you attack them for it.

Don't get me wrong I do understand your familys frustrations, but if you keep lashing out, You may be chasing the people that do have valid points, away and they may stop posting them here in fear of being attacked, or humiliated.

Here at Websleuths we have this theory that if we explore EVERY possible angle,even if LE has in fact ruled it out that we may come up with stuff that LE was not aware of. It has been done many times and a few cases have been solved by this method.

Your family has my deepest sympathy.

Exactly the reason I stopped posting on this thread a very long time ago.

 

[kline]

time will tell...
did you watch the bruce vidio on Richies website?

Yes.Beautiful but it put a lump in my throat.
The story that went with it got me thinking how cool it is that Bruce's music can be related to by somebody in Philly or New Jersey,the part of the country it was created in and yet I first heard it in a dying Northwest Lumber town and it felt just as valid and immediate to me like he could have been writing about what I saw every day.
"Everything dies and thats a fact.
but maybe everything that dies someday comes back.
Meet me tonite in Atlantic City"

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I will reiterate this point because I think you missed it.

Here at Websleuths we have this theory that if we explore EVERY possible angle,even if LE has in fact ruled it out that we may come up with stuff that LE was not aware of. It has been done many times and a few cases have been solved by this method.

 

[wenchie]

It is a shame as I believe the two missing deserve better.

For the families' sakes, I would hope that someday the case is solved by the "Feds" since they are "in bed" with them.

In case you've forgotten, WS is also a support forum for families of the missing.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh, I haven't forgotten, Wenchie. I try to be one of the most supportive people around.

 

[wenchie]

Oh, I haven't forgotten, Wenchie. I try to be one of the most supportive people around.

Good!

Just try to imagine that you're the parents/siblings/friends of Drew Peterson's "missing" wife and you had to deal with people who are still postulating that she took off with another man and left her poor husband and children.

It must be so devastating to know both in your heart and by the circumstances of the case what happened, but to have people who will use it like a "Murder Mystery Game".

 

[SeriouslySearching]

You catch more flies with honey, so to speak.

Cassandra (Stacy's sister) has been through the mill, I am sure. Yet, I have never seen her be short tempered or show such anger towards people trying to help find her sister. I have had a few conversations with her myself and while she is angry...she doesn't put it off on everyone else. Her anger is still directed at one person and, imo, justifiably so.

 

[wenchie]

You catch more flies with honey, so to speak.

Cassandra (Stacy's sister) has been through the mill, I am sure. Yet, I have never seen her be short tempered or show such anger towards people trying to help find her sister. I have had a few conversations with her myself and while she is angry...she doesn't put it off on everyone else. Her anger is still directed at one person and justifiably so.

Have you ever seen Cassandra publicly pushed into accepting other people's "alternate theories", after having defended her position on the matter over and over and..........over again?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Did it ever occur to anyone that "alternative theories" might be justified in a case that has gone on for so many years with nothing solved? There is a reason there has been no end to this case and these two have not been found as of yet. Sticking to a theory (which is all it is until it is proven) which LE has developed that has led them absolutely nowhere...isn't working.

At least, Cassandra has always been open to any theory to bring her sister home to her even if she has heard it before...over and over and over. There is always a chance someone missed something. The only "position" Cassandra takes is that he is somehow responsible for Stacy going missing. She still doesn't know how or where. If there were anything to lead to a conclusion this did not happen as she believes...she would at least hear it out and want to follow any lead. All she cares about is bringing her sister home...no matter how it happens.

 

[wenchie]

The only "position" Cassandra takes is that he is somehow responsible for Stacy going missing. She still doesn't know how or where. If there were anything to lead to a conclusion this did not happen as she believes...she would at least hear it out and want to follow any lead. All she cares about is bringing her sister home...no matter how it happens.

And that sounds exactly like the position of the family member who posts here.

I believe that the family member has also posted that LE "knows" who did this but does not have enough evidence for an arrest.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

If there were anything to lead to a conclusion this did not happen as she believes...she would at least hear it out and want to follow any lead. All she cares about is bringing her sister home...no matter how it happens.

I didn't come here to argue. I saw someone make the comment about why they stopped posting on this thread. I was trying to make the point that the family member would get the support here if she accepted that there are other avenues to explore and ways to look at things. Even if they have been gone over a million times by LE...LE CAN be wrong! They put ALL of their eggs in one basket and when a case goes stone cold...it often means they put them into the wrong one.

 

[wenchie]

If there were anything to lead to a conclusion this did not happen as she believes...she would at least hear it out and want to follow any lead. All she cares about is bringing her sister home...no matter how it happens.

I didn't come here to argue. I saw someone make the comment about why they stopped posting on this thread. I was trying to make the point that the family member would get the support here if she accepted that there are other avenues to explore and ways to look at things. Even if they have been gone over a million times by LE...LE CAN be wrong! They put ALL of their eggs in one basket and when a case goes stone cold...it often means they put them into the wrong one.

I saw nothing presented on this thread that could lead anyone to a conclusion that this did not happen as anyone believes it did. I saw re-presentation of old theories that have been tried and dismissed, impossible theories by those who don't know the area, and implications that the family is slandering the POI.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Well OK then...good luck with LE. I hope they are able to pull it all together eventually and the families find the answers they are looking for someday. I will keep these two in my thoughts and prayers.

 

[kline]

Im curious as to why some people here are convinced LE is wrong in this case?
It seems pretty clear cut that they have a POI as the focus of the investigation but at present dont feel there is enough evidence for a grand jury or an indictment.
Sadly a common occurence, look at the Peterson case.
I know LE can develop tunnel vision but what does anyone have to base the strongly implied assumption that,that is the case here?
Im open minded enough to revise my opinion if there is something of substance here.
By the way I dont know if in fact the situation exists of an LE agency for once trying to keep a murder victim's family in the loop of the investigation,if it should be characterized as being 'in bed' with the family.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

The hair turned out to be the length Danielle had just had it cut to. This meant Danielle was in the perp's motor home the very night she was kidnapped, raped, and murdered.

Wow, and this was something picked up on on a message board? That's incredible.

Thanks for posting what you know about this, fran. I knew I heard of situations like this but didn't know of any particular cases in which it had happened.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I saw nothing presented on this thread that could lead anyone to a conclusion that this did not happen as anyone believes it did. I saw re-presentation of old theories that have been tried and dismissed, impossible theories by those who don't know the area, and implications that the family is slandering the POI.

The families know what the most likely scenario is and they know things that we don't, (things that they are not at liberty to share at this time), based on LE's investigations. The anger that is expressed probably stems from the strong belief/knowledge that a certain man is responsible for the disappearance and death of a beloved man that never wronged anyone. To then hear people defending him, knowing that he took the life of someone so very dear to you, has got to be infuriating. I can totally understand that.

That being said, after reading the back and forth posts, I can see where the posters "on the other side" of the argument are coming from. I believe that by posting alternative theories, even if they are being posted for the billionth time, people that may not have been previously involved with the discussions may begin to post. You never know who that person might be and what they might know and/or have to say. Also, we might begin a theory the same way a hundred times but the progression of the discussion could be different every time, leading to thoughts that hadn't previously popped up. I, myself, have found myself lying in bed at times, thinking about a case and being so frustrated that it hasn't been solved. And I'll rehash the 80 pages of WS theories that have been posted and rehash them and rehash them ... I've even gotten out of bed in the wee hours of the morning to post on WS when something pops into my mind that I know hadn't been posted before.

I can understand the frustration and having met DMV personally, I know that she is a great woman with a wonderful heart. I can also understand the benefit of rehashing tired theories over and over again. We don't all have the same thought processes and something that may be obvious to one might never be thought of by another.

 

[audrey77]

All I ask is that if (for example) someone asks a simple question about EZpass (there are folks here that are NOT from the Philadelphia area), that they are not met with harsh, terse answers. That is where I take offense. And it was directed at someone else, not me- I am just an observer.

 

[christine2448]

I advise everyone to read TOS.

There are different sections on this board for good reason. We have a section called Missing Persons Information and Support and we have a section for Located! Information and Support these 2 sections are for us to post the 'story', pics, links, and support links for family...also family discussion and support from us.

There is another section Missing/Located Forum Discussion this area is for SLEUTHERS to investigate, discuss, theorize, etc. about EVERYTHING. Until a case is solved, as long as WS can confirm through LE it is an open case, EVERYTHING is open for discussion.

We cannot allow anyone to 'run' these threads. We of course always want to support the family, friends...however, we will not allow our posters to be 'shut up' becuause their opinion does not line up with family/friends.

We are victim family/friendly forum, this is proven. But we also are here to investigate and hopefully shed light and help those who want it.

 

[BethInAK]

I think that this would completely depend on who committed the crime and the crowd with whom they run. Organized crime, for example, would have the resources and connections to make something like this happen.

And there is no dearth of organized crime in philly.