PA PA - Richard Petrone 35 & Danielle Imbo 34, Philadelphia, 19 Feb 2005 #2

[dmvpenn]

DMV,I know you were mostly joking, but seriously, while this thing is unsolved you need to be cautious at least.
Be aware of your surroundings ect.
And Im sure you know better then to meet alone with someone just because they might say they have info, ect.
You dont have to be paranoid but careful would be good.

ah, I wasnt kidding. lol. I will say I actually keep what I really feel tempered. I do feel concerned. I am very caustious and I would never ever ever meet anyone who had information about this case. They would need to go directly to the FEDs. Also I would hope these people know they are being watch and well, if I do go missing... there is a great chance they will get caught THIS TIME.

 

[dmvpenn]

I totally agree with this post, FWIW.

Wow man...that is interesting. FMW Is your name Gary by any chance?

Do you think my family is that stupid that we didnt consider this or that an accident was what we would rather have happened? The truth is Richie's friends did a ton of searches of waterways from the day after he didn't come home for his mom's birthday and for at least a few weeks after.

Here is what I will commit to doing. I will confirm for people who I know can and will explore this and be sure that it has not already been done.

That said, given the FBI's communications and convictions based on the information they have thus far, I believe in my gut, heart, and everything else, your belief is completely off base. There is NO WAY the FED's would continue the level of effort they have if they did not have sufficient reason to believe that this was not a murder for hire. They have other fishes to fry. And frankly, it would be rather cruel of them to torment my family on a bi-weekly basis if they werent themselves convinced that this was a crime. And this sentiment is coming from me, who is a person that feels the goverment are BONE HEADS.

There is no rumors of abuse. It is documented. There is no rumors of someone threatening to break a baseball bat over Richies head. It was witnessed and has happened.

Be mindful that Richie's family would much prefer that this have been an accident. My family hired there own folks to examine every waterway that could have been on the path leading home. There is no mystery about what paths could have been trod to get home. If finding him in a body of water would provide closure, beleive me... it would be my family's preference to eliminate the pain of imagining every awful thing that may have happened. NO ONE wants a family member murdered.

And let's move the reward comment... More then half of that money was from my family. I am not sure I understand what you mean that we need to stop listening to to reward and publicity driven rumors. What the hell do you mean? WE are posting the damn reward. We are not listening to it. As far as rumors, again, let me be clear.... we are starting no rumors. For the love of God, I don't even tell you what all that the FED's say to prevent rumors.

So I would like to get you to clarify what you mean by rumors? What is a rumor to you? What is said from me or my family about the people involved are FACTS. Even if Richie comes up in a river in car, it won't change the abuse nor the threats. If they do come up in a river in the truck... it will be hard to forensically prove fowl play cause I am sure there is nothing left of the remains. What I hope is all the other evidence will connect the dots and something will be left in the truck to show... that they did not just happed to drive into the area you say.

And I can't wait to prove that theory wrong... someday.

 

[fmw63]

didn't want to offend you or the rest of the family, which is why I tried not to bring up the bar thing, but any discussion of a possibility can lead to clues...

Wow man...that is interesting. FMW Is your name Gary by any chance?

Nope.

Do you think my family is that stupid that we didnt consider this or that an accident was what we would rather have happened?

Nope again - same reason as above.

 

[dmvpenn]

didn't want to offend you or the rest of the family, which is why I tried not to bring up the bar thing, but any discussion of a possibility can lead to clues...

Wow man...that is interesting. FMW Is your name Gary by any chance?

Nope.

Do you think my family is that stupid that we didnt consider this or that an accident was what we would rather have happened?

Nope again - same reason as above.

fmw63

You did not offend me. The bar thing doesn't bother me at all. I am sure they were drinking. And I am sure neither of them are mary popins. that said, it would really be a stretch for the feds to continue down a path on crime.

Let me be clear, I am reacting to your comment: The families and law enforcement need to stop listening to reward and publicity driven rumors and start retracing possible routes they may have taken.

There is an inherent assumption or conclusion you are drawing to believe that we are listening to reward and publicity driven rumors. That is what I am reacting to. Your foregone conclusion that we havent considered they were in the water and drove off the road. Again, we would have prefered that be the case then for them to have been murdered. We would love to find them and bring them to there final resting place.

The thought that the Feds would waste their time and tax payers money connecting complicated dots and calling this a murder for hire... is sad and pathetic. I would hope they would be suggesting looking in the water.

This entire case is bizarre.

 

[dmvpenn]

didn't want to offend you or the rest of the family, which is why I tried not to bring up the bar thing, but any discussion of a possibility can lead to clues...

Wow man...that is interesting. FMW Is your name Gary by any chance?

Nope.

Do you think my family is that stupid that we didnt consider this or that an accident was what we would rather have happened?

Nope again - same reason as above.

And I notice you did not clarify what you meant by "stop listening to reward and publicity driven rumors" . Would you like to address that?

 

[fmw63]

because that comment and the other you mentioned were made by someone else...

take another look

 

[kline]

ah, I wasnt kidding. lol. I will say I actually keep what I really feel tempered. I do feel concerned. I am very caustious and I would never ever ever meet anyone who had information about this case. They would need to go directly to the FEDs. Also I would hope these people know they are being watch and well, if I do go missing... there is a great chance they will get caught THIS TIME.

DMV,they will get caught. Sooner or later its going to unravel for them
and they are going to answer for this evil.
This isnt going to go away for them.

 

[dmvpenn]

because that comment and the other you mentioned were made by someone else...

take another look

oh yeah. sorry.

 

[dmvpenn]

I have followed this case with interest for over a year. I know nothing that I haven't learned from the net so I have had nothing to contribute to the conversation. In spite of all that I have read about hired hits and abusive husbands, nothing has altered my initial impression.

I suggest we apply the Occam's razor principle to this situation (the least complex explaination is probably correct). I think we would conclude that the most probable explaination is that they drove of into some body of water and have yet to be found.

I don't know anything about the various "unsavory" connections either of them may have had nor am I familiar with the terrain but I can see the complexities of this "hypothetical murder" and the inherent risks and it just dosen't seem right. I suppose that there are "hit men" who are capable of pulling off this kind of caper but they don't work for jealous ex-husbands trying to save a few hundred a month on child support.

The families and law enforcement need to stop listening to reward and publicity driven rumors and start retracing possible routes they may have taken.

Is your name Gary. And I notice you did not clarify what you meant by "stop listening to reward and publicity driven rumors" . Would you like to address that? See my commentary below on this. But I would like to understand exactly what you mean.

 

[fmw63]

Has the truck's VIN# been sent to auto recyclers & state MVA's?

 

[dmvpenn]

I believe so.

 

[fmw63]

Do you think you can get it? Would you mind posting it?

 

[dmvpenn]

I think the vin is posted on danielleimpo.com and richardpetrone.com
let me look.

 

[kemo]

Is your name Gary. And I notice you did not clarify what you meant by "stop listening to reward and publicity driven rumors" . Would you like to address that? See my commentary below on this. But I would like to understand exactly what you mean.

DMVPENN. I just got back in town and got a chance to check out Websleuths. I am a little shocked by your reaction to my post. No, my name isn't Gary. I have no inside knowledge of this case. I have only expresed my opinion, which I admit isn't worth much. What I ment is simply that I am skeptical that there is really any credible "evidence" of any "hit". I suspect that this case has become infected with the bane of many high profile unsolved investigations: misinformation from folks who, for various reasons, come forward with imagined, embellished or just made up "information".

"Evidence of a hired hit" suggests the name of a suspect plus some evidence linking that person to the crime. If this existed, we could expect the FBI or local LE to be all over that suspect and known associates of that suspect. People start talking and the media picks up on it. If there is no "evidence" to back up a hot tip, its just a rumor.

I am not aware that anything like this is occuring. Perhaps you have information on this matter you might share.

I get the impression that the two families have split into opposing "camps" with the usual fingerpointing and recriminations. The "not knowing" what really happened compounds a trajedy like this can causes doubts and distrust among the survivors.

I sincerily believe that this was all a unfortunate accident and I was trying, with what little influence I might have, to redirect this investigation in that direction.

I do hope this situation is resolved quickly so everyone involved can put this behind them and get on with their lives.

 

[kline]

The FBI has apparently ruled out an accident and is viewing this as a Murder for Hire scenario to the point of publicly saying so.Im sure they are well aware who is most likely responsible.
Having enough evidence for an indictment is another thing altogether.
I hope that will happen soon for everyone involved.

 

[wenchie]

I sincerily believe that this was all a unfortunate accident and I was trying, with what little influence I might have, to redirect this investigation in that direction.

It is absolutely impossible that there was some kind of "accident". There are no deep bodies of water, or any bodies of water where a person could just accidently take a wrong turn and drive right into them.

Do you even have a clue about what a short drive it is from South Street to Mt. Laurel, and how many other people would be on the road at that time of evening on a weekend night?

 

[fmw63]

I'm not Kemo but,

"Absolutely impossible" How many scientists, prison builders and casino owners have used THOSE words?

There are no deep bodies of water, or any bodies of water where a person could just accidently take a wrong turn and drive right into them. I've got maps.live.com up right now looking at several of them...

Do you even have a clue about what a short drive it is from South Street to Mt. Laurel, about 30 minutes?

and how many other people would be on the road at that time of evening on a weekend night? around midnight on a Saturday night? OK , got me there, no idea.

But as long as there is no 100% definite answer as to what really happened, anything is still a possibility.

 

[wenchie]

I'm not Kemo but,

"Absolutely impossible" How many scientists, prison builders and casino owners have used THOSE words?

There are no deep bodies of water, or any bodies of water where a person could just accidently take a wrong turn and drive right into them. I've got maps.live.com up right now looking at several of them...

Do you even have a clue about what a short drive it is from South Street to Mt. Laurel, about 30 minutes?

and how many other people would be on the road at that time of evening on a weekend night? around midnight on a Saturday night? OK , got me there, no idea.

But as long as there is no 100% definite answer as to what really happened, anything is still a possibility.

I don't mind repeating myself, nor do I mind correcting your mistakes.

There is no possibility that they just veered off the road or took a wrong turn and ended up in a body of water (not to even mention that EVERY body of water in the area has been searched repeatedly, and that there is no DEEP water anywhere along the route).

No deserted areas. It's a pretty straight course through a highly populated area and heavy traffic. If they'd even had to pull over for a flat tire, someone(s) would have seen them. The Delaware River is only knee-deep, except in the shipping channels, and it's not possible to drive off the side of the bridge.

Take it from the people on this board who have driven that route hundreds of times in their life - there's just no way that Danielle and Richard and the truck had some kind of "accident" along that route and are hidden in plain sight. If they were, they would have been found during one of the searches.

 

[fmw63]

Since I have nothing better to do right now:

What do you consider deep water? A 2001 Dodge Dakota is only 5'9" high.


If the route is too heavily populated & traveled for an accident to not be noticed, then the same would probably apply to something like an ambush, right?


However, I do agree about the Delaware River - large interstate highway bridges are too fool-proofed to just drive off the side:crazy:.

 

[wenchie]

Since I have nothing better to do right now:

What do you consider deep water? A 2001 Dodge Dakota is only 5'9" high.


If the route is too heavily populated & traveled for an accident to not be noticed, then the same would probably apply to something like an ambush, right?

There is no other water they could have driven into, period.

This crime was well-planned, indeed. They could have been ambushed by someone waiting inside of Danielle's house, but since the truck wasn't recorded going over any of the main bridges, it's more likely that someone was lying in wait either near of inside of where the truck was parked on South Street.

At any rate - are you aware that every square inch of the route from where the truck was parked to Danielle's house was gone over with a fine-toothed comb many, many times - and that it's not a complex route where someone could take a wrong turn and get lost and end up in the middle of nowhere?