PA PA - Richard Petrone 35 & Danielle Imbo 34, Philadelphia, 19 Feb 2005 #2

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Wenchie, I have to agree with you. While there are other ways to get from South Street to Mt. Laurel, they would require one to go well out of their way and to at least double their travel time. The direct routes from the city into Mt. Laurel are all very large and well-traveled. I honestly can't even see an ambush happening along any of the likely routes. I, myself, tend to believe that someone was waiting for them inside of the vehicle.

That doesn't mean that it's impossible that they would have been ambushed. If they somehow took the wrong road after getting off of the Ben Franklin Bridge, they could have found themselves in some extremely dangerous parts but I find that very unlikely.

 

[dmvpenn]

DMVPENN.
"Evidence of a hired hit" suggests the name of a suspect plus some evidence linking that person to the crime. If this existed, we could expect the FBI or local LE to be all over that suspect and known associates of that suspect. People start talking and the media picks up on it. If there is no "evidence" to back up a hot tip, its just a rumor.

The FBI are all over the "persons" of interest. But they are being Silent for a reason. There is no rumor.

 

[dmvpenn]

Since I have nothing better to do right now:

What do you consider deep water? A 2001 Dodge Dakota is only 5'9" high.


If the route is too heavily populated & traveled for an accident to not be noticed, then the same would probably apply to something like an ambush, right?


However, I do agree about the Delaware River - large interstate highway bridges are too fool-proofed to just drive off the side:crazy:.

Sure, any thing is possible. Let's move to probable. NOT Happen. I thought i mentioned that my family had paid to have the waters check with sonar.

No one is going to get me to provide the information I know. Let's just say the Feds have infor, records, major dots connected. The horror is the langauge of the law and all it's intricacies call for a very high standard to bring a case to justice.

We wish it were a damn accident.

 

[dmvpenn]

oh and one more thing. The FBI have nothing better to do with there time then to bring grand jury trias together and spend tax payers money on nothing. If they didnt have the leads would stop the investigation.

end of story. Yes, anything is possible. God coming to visit me tonight for a glass of wine is possible. But it ain't probable.

 

[kemo]

dmvpenn, you are firm in your opinions and you are privy to information I don't have. I base my opinion only on the fact that people do occasionaly drive into bodies of water while driving at night after drinking. The "hit man" on the streets of Philly senerio seems so unlikly. From what I know about South Street, parking is a little tough on Saturday night and there are lots of people milling about. A "hit man" whould have to know they were there. Who knew they were going to South Street ?(are any of the people they were with suspects?) Once this "hit man" knew where they would be, they (there would have to be two) would have to drive around looking for the parked truck. They would have no idea if it would be in a dark, isolated spot or a well lite street with lots of foot traffic. It seems like a poor plan. Too many unknowns. If they did find the truck in an appropreate spot, why not just shot them there and make it look like a random street crime. The abduction and disposal of the vehicle seems awful risky and unnecessary. I suppose the are wrecking yards somewhere that the right man with the right money could get a brand new truck crushed up no questions asked, but most exist in some writer's imagination. An alternative means of disposing of the truck is in a body of water. The best bets are gravel pits or piers. Otherwise its hard to get it into deep enough water, that is unless you are sitting in the drivers seat going full speed. Are there any places in the Philly area like that? Overall, it seems like a poorly planned, overly complicated "hit" without any big money motives.

I notice (on Google earth) that there are some wharf type structures on the Deleware River near South street. Is there any parking around them or any other reason for driving onto them? Out on a wharf, a wrong turn can land you in deep water real quick. Has anyone checked out the possibility?

The other possibility is that they did not return to New Jersey, but went somewhere else and had a mishap. They could have gone anywhere in Pa.

By the way, was there really a Grand Jury inquest? If there was, the transcript should be sealed but the witnesses called are generally public record. If you know the jurisdiction, it might even be available online.
The gran jury can be a good investigative tool, it can people who know something but haven't actually commited a crime in a position where they can eith say what they know or commit perjery. It can also be a fishing expedition that leads nowhere.

I do hope that the truth does come to light and you all fet some closure.

 

[kline]

I dont think the vehicle was crushed or hidden.
One that new was probbaly reduced to parts in damn short order I would be willing to bet.
Just my opinion though.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Kemo, I wanted to mention three things. First of all, while South Street is very, very busy during the spring through fall months, Danielle and Rich went missing in mid-February. Parking is immensely easier to find in February than it is otherwise. I don't think that they would have had too difficult a time finding a place to park and there probably wouldn't have been much foot traffic either.

Secondly, there are many, many, many places in the Philly region where you can make a car disappear - whether crushed or for parts. It wouldn't have been difficult at all.

Finally, while the "hit man" idea might seem far-fetched to you, it is nowhere near impossible, especially in this region & especially if you know the "right" people.

 

[kline]

Obviously the FBI doesnt think its far fetched either,since they publicly stated they are viewing it as a murder for hire scenario.
Since to my knowledge they arent reknowned for flights of fancy I really dont see why anyone would still be entertaining the idea it was some kind of accident especially with all that has been done by authorities and family members to eliminate that possibilty.The horse is dead.

 

[dmvpenn]

dmvpenn, you are firm in your opinions and you are privy to information I don't have. I base my opinion only on the fact that people do occasionaly drive into bodies of water while driving at night after drinking. The "hit man" on the streets of Philly senerio seems so unlikly. From what I know about South Street, parking is a little tough on Saturday night and there are lots of people milling about. A "hit man" whould have to know they were there. Who knew they were going to South Street ?(are any of the people they were with suspects?) Once this "hit man" knew where they would be, they (there would have to be two) would have to drive around looking for the parked truck. They would have no idea if it would be in a dark, isolated spot or a well lite street with lots of foot traffic. It seems like a poor plan. Too many unknowns. If they did find the truck in an appropreate spot, why not just shot them there and make it look like a random street crime. The abduction and disposal of the vehicle seems awful risky and unnecessary. I suppose the are wrecking yards somewhere that the right man with the right money could get a brand new truck crushed up no questions asked, but most exist in some writer's imagination. An alternative means of disposing of the truck is in a body of water. The best bets are gravel pits or piers. Otherwise its hard to get it into deep enough water, that is unless you are sitting in the drivers seat going full speed. Are there any places in the Philly area like that? Overall, it seems like a poorly planned, overly complicated "hit" without any big money motives.

I notice (on Google earth) that there are some wharf type structures on the Deleware River near South street. Is there any parking around them or any other reason for driving onto them? Out on a wharf, a wrong turn can land you in deep water real quick. Has anyone checked out the possibility?

The other possibility is that they did not return to New Jersey, but went somewhere else and had a mishap. They could have gone anywhere in Pa.

By the way, was there really a Grand Jury inquest? If there was, the transcript should be sealed but the witnesses called are generally public record. If you know the jurisdiction, it might even be available online.
The gran jury can be a good investigative tool, it can people who know something but haven't actually commited a crime in a position where they can eith say what they know or commit perjery. It can also be a fishing expedition that leads nowhere.

I do hope that the truth does come to light and you all fet some closure.

Kemo- you seem to be narrowing your focus on the HIT happening on the streets of philly. And yes, the hit man did know where Richard and Danielle were. And you are correct, it was two others, and of course it was well planned. People knew that Danielle was giving her son to her x for the weekend. It is so easy to follow or stalk someone without them knowing.

The plan, obviously, was briliant, as the murders have covered their assess very well. However, there is a trail leading to the who. As for big money motives: It can't be assumed that a hit equals big money. There are scum bags who will do it for a dime bag.

And yes, there were grand jury inquests and yes it is a good tool. And it can lead to no conviction. However, if the Feds did not have information that was compelling, they would not waste money and time bring it to grand jury. Then would just file the case closed and clasify it as a potential car accident. Personally, I am not at all interested in reveiwing the grand jury transcripts. If it is public, feel free to debrief us. As for me, I will wait till **** hits the fan.

Until then, I will continue to ask that we try to push this case to the MEDIA MOGALS and ask for coverage. There is 100k reward for persons who provide information.

If you have inquires about waterways that have been searched or want to make recommendations, we invite you to offer your ideas to the authorities for consideration.

Thanks,
dmv

 

[MistyM]

my 'occam's razor' says to me that this was foul play.

 

[kline]

I feel very strongly it will be someone motivated by the reward who brings this down.
There are people who know what happened.
Both first hand and secondhand.
A relationship be it criminal or personal is going to deteriorate and either out of a desire for a new start or out of vindictivenss they are going to break the wall of silence.
Or someone is going to get in trouble and use the knowledge about this crime as a bargaining chip and talk.
I think its inevitable.
I just hope it happens sooner than later.

 

[dmvpenn]

my 'occam's razor' says to me that this was foul play.

Lord the day! what is an occam's razor?:crazy:

 

[Pinkhammer]

What if Richard and Danielle were victims of this Murder Syndicate everyone is talking about? How do we know that they limit their victimsto twentyish young men? Maybe some of them have graduated to killing couples??

 

[kline]

Occam's razor means basicly what ever is the most obvious common sense answer,given the known facts is probably the truth.

 

[dmvpenn]

What if Richard and Danielle were victims of this Murder Syndicate everyone is talking about? How do we know that they limit their victimsto twentyish young men? Maybe some of them have graduated to killing couples??

yikes! How awful that situation is. Just horrible. It sickens me.

So let me shift the question: Do you think the Feds have this situation wrong? I am asking that honestly. I know, we are trust trying to come up with answers and for that I am grateful. But it even thought the Feds came out and said murder for hire...there is a flurry of questions about alternative possibilities that begs the question " do you think the feds have the situation wrong?

I am not a forensic profiler, so I can say if a serial killers in a murder syndicate change there appetite. And I can't say what kind of profiling the Feds are considering in this case with Rich and Danielle.

Personally, I dont know what to think anymore and where to begin looking again. So again, my hope is that after all of the failed attempts of some very sophisticated smart humans, someone will be unable or unwilling to carry the burden of murder and the truth will find its way.

 

[kline]

For whatever its worth I think the Feds are on the right track.
I dont know what to make of this case involving the college students,strange stuff indeed but I seriously doubt its connected to this case.

 

[Indigator]

Just for the record-Chopping cars and trucks and selling parts is a big business on the East Coast. These parts do not hang around long and are generally shipped overseas. Most likely that truck was shipped in pieces to Asia within days of Danielle and Richard's disappearance. This sounds like a mob hit to me. Very sad for both families.

 

[dmvpenn]

i havent posted for awhile. Not that I havent thought of you. But life got hectic. I know you see the recent events and I hope it brought you some joy.

Pray for those in your family who need that support right now. I look at this section of websleuths... and think how can all of these people be missing. How can they be missing. I hope you are at peace.

 

[kline]

DMV I hope things are less hectic for you,miss your input.
Yeah the sheer numbers of missing over the last 50 years... and when you start reading the stories its pretty overwhelming .

 

[dmvpenn]

hi... I moved this month...just stoping in to say peace to all. No news or progress to report.