Found Deceased PA - White Haven, 'Beth Doe' & Unborn Baby 169UFPA, 16-22, Dec'76 *Evelyn Colon* *Arrest* #3

[carbuff]

Might be a false alarm. I found a wedding announcement for the son who's in the Navy. I presume it's him with the long unique name. Father's name is right too. Lists the mother of the bridegroom as remarried though it doesn't give her own name, just Mr. and Mrs.

If you google on the son's full name, the article will turn up.

 

[Doeologist]

Okay, carbuff, y0u saved me some work. I found the mother will the correct first name, happily listed as age 69. It's back to the drawing board.

Once I started looking at the isoscape maps of Europe, I couldn't see Czechoslovakia and Sicily being in the same isotopic areas. I'll attach a few maps to show the differences; the ones on the left are the isotope maps for the Isdal woman (childhood and teenage years) done with stable oxygen and strontium, and the ones on the right are the equivalent isoscapes of Europe for stable oxygen and strontium, light orange area and purple dots, respectively.

 

[Doeologist]

I wonder if she came here after the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia Its in Central Europe and would fit in the 5-10 year timeline of her arrival here in the US. If not during that time it wouldnt have been long after.

Immigration numbers did double to about 4000 and there was a tiny minority of Muslims and Jews. The timeline also coincides with the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 which opened the door to Muslims.

But I'm beginning to like the "horse theory" so might look into the Gypsy/Romani possibility because of their relationship to horses, and because I just read a BBC article saying there is honor killing among the Romani and traveling groups too. Then there were also a hundred times more gypsies in places like the Czech Republic than Muslims also. I don't know if their isotope levels would be similar to Jewish as would a Muslim due to similar dietary restrictions.

 

[Arz]

TBH
Isotopes in Beth are so unclear they just points out she is European,
Looking at her i think she is probably Balkan(i m from there) or Southern European.
since genetic genealogy is being done to her we will know soon hopefully.

 

[Doeologist]

Yes, between the scientific interpretations and the newspaper reports, we really don't know exactly where to look, without seeing the original maps, and are faced with numerous contraditions. The same thing happened with the Mad Trapper; they said Southern Scandinavia, Northern Scandinavia and Coastal Norway. Which is it? (At least with Isdal woman they gave us two heat maps for different parts of her life.)

I didn't know they were doing familial DNA testing on Beth Doe. That's great. In the meantime, I drew up my own isotope heat map for Beth based on what is available online and using the Czech Republic as the base. It's a strontium map and I cross referenced with stable oxygen and hydrogen.

 

[carbuff]

I'm sorry, I think I blinked and missed something here. Who is Isdal Woman and why is she relevant to Beth's case?

 

[Arz]

I'm sorry, I think I blinked and missed something here. Who is Isdal Woman and why is she relevant to Beth's case?

Isdal Women is a jane doe from Norway.she was found dead in 1970 i believe and some people believe she was a spy.
Her isotopes matches with what info she left behide but her identity is still unknown.i think deologist was using her case as an example of good isotope since they pretty much pointed a place

if you wanna read more for her case :Tracing the Mysterious Isdal Woman

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

I'm sorry, I think I blinked and missed something here. Who is Isdal Woman and why is she relevant to Beth's case?

Isdalskvinnens WS thread:
Norway - Norway - Isdalen, WhtFem 503UFNOR, multiple aliases, multilingual, Nov'70

 

[carbuff]

Oh right, I remember reading about her a while back. Thanks.

I'm generally skeptical of isotope maps--not the science, which seems sound, but the way it's interpreted. I've seen some that were spot on and some that were wildly off.

I suspect Beth's will turn out to be close, but maybe not in the way we're picturing.

 

[Doeologist]

Thanks for explaining Isdal Woman, Arz. We don't have to rely on news reports of what the scientists say in her case. We have maps and I do think they're good, although she's still officially unidentified.

Here's my best guess at Beth Doe's American Isotope Heat Map. Again, I used the strontium map, this time with Eastern Tennesee as the base, cross-referenced with stable oxygen and hydrogen.

 

[carbuff]

Truthfully I'll be surprised if she's from more than about a hundred miles from where she was found.

 

[apearn]

Truthfully I'll be surprised if she's from more than about a hundred miles from where she was found.

I'm with you on that.

 

[Susikatze]

And isotope analysis has proved to be off so many times in recent times (there are few cases, but i think of the most famous one - wasn't Mary Silvani believed to have been European because of her Sr signature? If i remember correctly. But she was born and raised in the US...)

 

[carbuff]

And isotope analysis has proved to be off so many times in recent times (there are few cases, but i think of the most famous one - wasn't Mary Silvani believed to have been European because of her Sr signature? If i remember correctly. But she was born and raised in the US...)

Buckskin Girl's was way off, too. But research has made a lot of progress since then.

 

[Doeologist]

The closest I could get BD to Whitehaven PA, with the isotopes, is about 300 miles away around Richmond VA.

Anyway, here's the two Isdal Woman heat maps compared to two different isoscapes to show how it was built up, and how I figured I could build one up based on just the main heat spots they usually mention. In this case, it's Nuremberg and then France or near the French border with Germany. With those bases, it's therefore possible to build up the whole heat map to include secondary places and areas not mentioned.

 

[carbuff]

I'm sorry. I know my brain has been rather thick recently, but I still don't understand what the Isdal woman has to do with Beth, or why her isotope charts matter to us. I mean, obviously they're important for identifying her, but what's the connection here?

 

[Doeologist]

Isdal Woman's isotopes charts are the only ones I know that have been released for a Jane Doe. (I think it's because it was part of the popular BBC podcast, Death in Ice Valley.) I'm using them as a reference to show things like how you can use the available isoscapes to draw up a map for any Jane Doe when you only have one place or a few, or a general area mentioned in newspaper reports.

I should have drawn one up for Beth before I started. Then I wouldn't have spent time on places in southeast areas like Florida which isn't anywhere in the hot zones.

P.S. I revised my Beth Doe chart to include deuterium because it would single out Eastern Tennesse more. It could be more accurate and narrows it down much more.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...a-d-2-H-b-d-18-O-and-deuterium_fig2_227148245

 

[Doeologist]

Re: the luggage

I found some matching cases searching for vintage plaid luggage.

There’s no maker’s name but they match those made by Leeds Travelware Inc of New York, NY.

 

[Susikatze]

Thank you for the article. I am an archeologist and it is always interesting for me to read about newer developments in forensic sciences.

The closest I could get BD to Whitehaven PA, with the isotopes, is about 300 miles away around Richmond VA.

Anyway, here's the two Isdal Woman heat maps compared to two different isoscapes to show how it was built up, and how I figured I could build one up based on just the main heat spots they usually mention. In this case, it's Nuremberg and then France or near the French border with Germany. With those bases, it's therefore possible to build up the whole heat map to include secondary places and areas not mentioned.

Isdal Woman's isotopes charts are the only ones I know that have been released for a Jane Doe. (I think it's because it was part of the popular BBC podcast, Death in Ice Valley.) I'm using them as a reference to show things like how you can use the available isoscapes to draw up a map for any Jane Doe when you only have one place or a few, or a general area mentioned in newspaper reports.

I should have drawn one up for Beth before I started. Then I wouldn't have spent time on places in southeast areas like Florida which isn't anywhere in the hot zones.

P.S. I revised my Beth Doe chart to include deuterium because it would single out Eastern Tennesse more. It could be more accurate and narrows it down much more.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...a-d-2-H-b-d-18-O-and-deuterium_fig2_227148245

 

[Doeologist]

Re: the luggage

I found some matching cases searching for vintage plaid luggage.

There’s no maker’s name but they match those made by Leeds Travelware Inc of New York, NY.

The main difference with the US bags I found was the triangular bottom panels where the zipper stops are straight and don’t curve together like the US bags. And I found no match for the three stripes.

Doesn’t it look like they could be foreign bags? Red white and blue could be national colors like Croatian. We know she or they would have had bags from home.