Paglia: Duck Dynasty uproar ‘utterly fascist, utterly Stalinist’

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Mck16, According to Google, the guy was a pet photographer, but I couldn't find it on the link they gave ( http://www.aetv.com/schedule ) but you may have better luck than I did. Off to feed the furkids and get some R&R.

I saw that episode and there was no indication at least that I saw that this person was gay or related. He was pretty goofy but Phil tried to educate him in the ways of a LA redneck. It was actually a funny episode as most of them are. jmo
 
With all due respect, I'm not sure how anyone knows why I or anyone else make the decisions I / we make, (Not even the long Island Medium lol) only I know what is in my heart (yes I do have one) or what I think or feel or from where I came as a person. The reason I don't see the racism is b/c I don't believe it is there, unless one chooses to read it that way. JMHO.

I realize that not everyone has had the benefit of an upbringing not steeped in generational racism or bigotry, or perhaps higher education in which slavery, racism and civil rights were investigated in depth. Not everyone has an interest in history and therefore may not be aware of the historical context of the time period Robertson is referencing.<modsnip>
 
I saw that episode and there was no indication at least that I saw that this person was gay or related. He was pretty goofy but Phil tried to educate him in the ways of a LA redneck. It was actually a funny episode as most of them are. jmo

I don't believe it was said on the episode that he was gay, but IMHO he acted very feminine / openly gay. I have a cousin that is gay and this guy reminded me very much of my cousin. I would be willing to watch it again to re-assess it though if someone can find a link.
 
I highly encourage everyone to read the article in its entirety before casting stones (racist, homophobic labels etc). Just because Phil quoted and paraphrased scripture to express his beliefs when asked specific questions does not , IMO, make him what those who are crying out about his statements label him to be. It amazes me that people read into statements what they want. IMO when he equated himself to white trash when working the fields during the Jim Crow era he was actually stating that the black generation of the time, as well as "white trash" (ie: poor) were happy and grateful for what they had and did not voice hatred for the white race or those more fortunate. When he says "pre-entitlement, pre-welfare" he did not say he meant blacks in the south. It can be interpreted just as easily as "poor people of that time were happier then with less because they worked for it, not because they expected it for free. " This comes from a man who grew up with outhouses and the like. And for those claiming he is racist, do you not know that he has bi-racial adopted grandchildren? I am a self proclaimed Christian, yet I have many gay family members and bi-racial cousins. I don't judge anyone for who they are. It's not my place. Anyhow,this is my take on the fiasco and what I put in my personal fb page:

I love mankind. It's not my place to judge anyone for their choices. I believe in scripture, but I interpret it in the way god has directed me to. The whole DD controversy is silly to me. He quoted scripture, explained his thoughts on it and then expounded by saying in the end it's the almighty god who makes the final judgement. That we should love one another and god was his true message. The fact is we are all sinners. Jesus died for our sins so that we may still yet receive the kingdom of heaven through his sacrifice. We were all born of free will. It's our choice to do what we do, yet, biology does have something to do with it. I believe god wants us to be who we are and be accepting of others regardless of what is defined as sin. There is not one human on this planet free from sin, as no one is perfect. I'm tired of the media spin placed on everything these days. I hate good people being set up by sensationalist organizations by asking questions or creating conversations that they know will cause controversy. General McChrystal is a perfect example of such treachery. Instead of wailing over personal beliefs let's look instead to the real problems that plague us as a country and species. Serious introspection is needed if we ever hope to advance positively as the human race. My opinion only.



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For those who are still confused, may I suggest again to take GardenLady's excellent advice and read the column to which she has linked. In case you missed it, here it is again: (GardenLady, I hope you don't mind) Additionally, LindyLoo has an excellent explanation earlier in this thread.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...merica/282555/
 
I realize that not everyone has had the benefit of an upbringing not steeped in generational racism or bigotry, or perhaps higher education in which slavery, racism and civil rights were investigated in depth. Not everyone has an interest in history and therefore may not be aware of the historical context of the time period Robertson is referencing. <modsnip>quote]

I kindly disagree. Being white and female, I grew up in a predominately black and gang infested Florida neighborhood, in fact, the one famous for riots in the mid nineties. I also have a Mass Comm BA from an outwardly liberal Journalism program (with a Poli Sci minor) from a State University in the same city. The author used the label "pre-civil rights era Louisiana" with the quote intentionally to cause the rift that it has, IMO. I may be willful, but I am not ignorant. Nor would I profess that someone who did not see the same view as I do being so.

ETA: as per the article you so blatantly referred to my "confused" self: I've already read it and I am not confused. Nor do I dispute "history". Yet, as I stated before, it is in my opinion that the quote has been taken out of context and has been given more analysis than it required. People will see whatever they want to see based upon their own beliefs, stereotypes and prejudices. At the end of the day there is no right or wrong interpretation, just opposing viewpoints.

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For those who are still confused, may I suggest again to take GardenLady's excellent advice and read the column to which she has linked. In case you missed it, here it is again: (GardenLady, I hope you don't mind) Additionally, LindyLoo has an excellent explanation earlier in this thread.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...merica/282555/

Unless I missed something the time period and the particular incident mentioned in the article happened before Phil was even born. Point me to a lynching that happened in the 60's. ty
 
For those who are still confused, may I suggest again to take GardenLady's excellent advice and read the column to which she has linked. In case you missed it, here it is again: (GardenLady, I hope you don't mind) Additionally, LindyLoo has an excellent explanation earlier in this thread.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...merica/282555/

Ty animalzule...for the mention..But since I am old as Old..recall those old dayz..watched the whole thing...i t just wasnt Black..It was a whole host of NO NO's..Inter-racial...Jewish beliefs and so much more...I can Thank my folks who allowed me to get EDuCated..and make my own decisions..didnt bias my thinkings..and allowed freedom to learn..understand alternatives....

BTW..You'll never guess who opened all those doors..It was Billy Graham..I happen to attend one of his revival meeting local...HIS words spoke to me..and even as a CHild..I became aware......You'd never guess that..given what some Conservative folks want to suggest these dayz????

Maybe thats why in my retirement.Im scratching my head with so much hateful talk being exposed..thru Online/Tweets or whatever instant opinion exressing modes!!!:scared:

LOL..Talk is cheap really ( cant be verified)...One who walks the walk and walks the talk and is able to reconcile their sins with their good actions...never mind good intentions that may have gone wrong..Point is....It's whats in one's heart that really counts....:blushing:

I will never Judge anybody..however..I wont ever accept someone's JUDGEMENT on my soul that I dont know ( and dont KNOW me) either....Live and let live...:seeya:
 
I can do even better than searching the internet for historical information as I have a whole family of friends from West Monroe. They can tell me what was going on there during that time. I have lived in TX all my long life and I can tell you I don't know of any crimes against blacks during that period. Except the one in Jasper 13 years ago. jmo
 
Just how did how did this just become an "AA" slur????????????

Just a FYI, just wasn't "American" people and "slaves'" are they all rebelling???:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...-a-fortune-from-abolition-of-slavery.20365912

OMG - let's just add more:

http://www.mccunn.com/Slave-Trade.html



MY POINT - WE are ALL from one of these countries that SANCTIONED slavery, etc.

NONE of us are immune to cultural thoughts (parents/grandparents) that are a part of ALL OF OUR CULTURES....

www.freetheslaves.net/sslpage.aspx?pid=303
 
Unless I missed something the time period and the particular incident mentioned in the article happened before Phil was even born. Point me to a lynching that happened in the 60's. ty

Civil rights were not achieved until the late 1960s. He would've been in his 20s during a time period where segregation and discrimination were openly practiced with legal backing. The issue is not specific to lynching.
 
Ty animalzule...for the mention..But since I am old as Old..recall those old dayz..watched the whole thing...i t just wasnt Black..It was a whole host of NO NO's..Inter-racial...Jewish beliefs and so much more...I can Thank my folks who allowed me to get EDuCated..and make my own decisions..didnt bias my thinkings..and allowed freedom to learn..understand alternatives....

BTW..You'll never guess who opened all those doors..It was Billy Graham..I happen to attend one of his revival meeting local...HIS words spoke to me..and even as a CHild..I became aware......You'd never guess that..given what some Conservative folks want to suggest these dayz????

Maybe thats why in my retirement.Im scratching my head with so much hateful talk being exposed..thru Online/Tweets or whatever instant opinion exressing modes!!!:scared:

LOL..Talk is cheap really ( cant be verified)...One who walks the walk and walks the talk and is able to reconcile their sins with their good actions...never mind good intentions that may have gone wrong..Point is....It's whats in one's heart that really counts....:blushing:

I will never Judge anybody..however..I wont ever accept someone's JUDGEMENT on my soul that I dont know ( and dont KNOW me) either....Live and let live...:seeya:

Yes, I am shocked that it was Billy Graham who opened those doors for you. His track record is far from stellar as well, but that's another topic!:seeya:
 
Yes, I am shocked that it was Billy Graham who opened those doors for you. His track record is far from stellar as well, but that's another topic!:seeya:

Not knowing your age..maybe you dont know about the '50's..Back then Billy Graham was rather simplistic in his bible thumping...KISS (Keep it simple Stupid) always makes sense..It's the advocates outside of that want to alter..spin and manoeuver the spoken word......

I was just a knee high chitlen..felt moved..Shocked my folks..BUT supported ..Doesnt matter now like 60 years later...I really tried to walk the walk and live up to my missions.....After 40 years..of front line working with folks...I got validations after the fact..almost daily..

BUT what truly came to my mind was..I didnt need that Validation while I cared for people/vulnerable etc......I felt comforted when I made a difference....Even tho I had stressors and personal home issues..In the end..My career and professional LIFE gave me strength to endure and Now Retired..Dont regret anything....

Im OT..BUT it all goes back to Duck Dynasty Phil..He preaches his stuff..and Many disagree (or agree)..Entertainment values as to his/there antics..Fine..BUT now watchers can visualize this bearded one and his words and actions and know ust how he truly sees the world.....:blushing:
 
I find some of the opinions expressed on this thread are no different in character than those expressed by Phil Robertson. Truly interesting. JMO
 
A&E chose to air a program about a family and their everyday lives, in and outside of their family owned business. Did A&E not scope this family out before they made that decision? Bottom line for me is the show is about the Robertsons and their extended family (one of which is gay and was on the show for at least one episode) being themselves. Phil was being himself in the interview too. I would not respect the man any more if he lied about his beliefs. If A&E did not do their due diligense to know what they were getting into, shame on them. I'll continue to watch the family because I enjoy it, and because I can. I'll enjoy it even more if it moves to another network b/c in my opinion, A&E has no one to blame but themselves. Y'all are free to make your own decisions on if it is something you care to watch. I'm outta here, b/c the tone of this thrad could turn more ugly than the show or interview itself. Peace!

Well said, Dewey!
:loveyou:
 
without commenting on the details of the hubbub, this family will go back to doing what it does without the cameras watching and their beliefs will remain their beliefs. They will continue to be themselves and A&E will find some new reality show to develop. This country has so many issues that are more important to me. I honestly could not care less about some reality show family dust up with a network. Moving on.
 
In a way, I'm kind of surprised that there is so much commotion around someone in a highly staged 'reality show' espousing clearly racist and homophobic opinions. Come on, what was the point of this awful show? Anyone with half a brain could see how scripted it was from the outset. And as for things like opinions and beliefs -- anyone who was producing the show would have known in what this family believed, from the outset, so the only surprise would have been that someone opened his cake-hole in public.

This show was past its shelf-life before this incident. This was no accident or mistake -- it is more a matter of true colors shining through. Like it or not.
 
I don't understand why there is this prevalent view that the majority group, the ones who hold the power, decides what is considered racist/homophobic/misogynistic. It's just odd to me that many white people think they are the ones who decide whether something is racist towards black people, or many heterosexuals think they are the ones who decide whether something is homophobic. It's really telling how members of marginalized groups (minorities, gays, and women) are treated after they speak out about racism, sexism, or discrimination.
 
I have to say that in many ways, most of my best friends are like the Robertson boys, save for the racism, sexism, and homophobia. I remember watching a few of the first episodes of the show and admiring many of their qualities. It's too bad that the series went past 4 episodes.
 
&#8203;New Video Emerges of Duck Dynasty Star Bemoaning Gay Sex

"Women with women. Men with men. They committed indecent acts with one another. And they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. They're full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, god haters, they are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless, they invent ways of doing evil!

That's what you have 235 years, roughly, after your forefathers founded the country. So what are you going to do, Pennsylvania? Just run with them? You're going to die. Don't forget that."

More at link: http://defamer.gawker.com/new-video-emerges-of-duck-dynasty-star-bemoaning-gay-s-1487290806/@maxread

But it's all good. He just has a different belief system, he doesn't promote hate, he doesn't sound like he's intolerant. Sounds like an admirable Christian person to me. Let's flood the airwaves with his message!!!! :facepalm:
 
I thought this was a joke headline from the Onion or something. Sadly, it's not:

GOP Congressional Candidate: Duck Dynasty Star Is 'Rosa Parks Of Our Generation'

In a fundraising email to supporters, Ian Bayne, who is running in the Republican primary to challenge Rep. Bill Foster (D-IL) in the 11th District, compared Robertson to Rosa Parks. The fundraising email began: "Today, Ian Bayne called Phil Robertson, star of the A&E series "Duck Dynasty," the 'Rosa Parks' of our generation."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...date-compares-duck-dynasty-star-to-rosa-parks
 
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