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[Littledeer]

No wonder so few "new" posters come here. You guys certainly know how to overwhelm us with your knowledge, etc.

I didn't mean to start anything between Hold and others here.

Hold has some ideas that I was thinking of (being an RDI mostly, but with an open mind) that I wanted to see if it would/could be possibe if I thought it out.

Whoever said that Hold needs to clarify his posts better, is most certainly correct. IMO

 

[Blondieskatz]

No wonder so few "new" posters come here. You guys certainly know how to overwhelm us with your knowledge, etc.

I didn't mean to start anything between Hold and others here.

Hold has some ideas that I was thinking of (being an RDI mostly, but with an open mind) that I wanted to see if it would/could be possibe if I thought it out.

Whoever said that Hold needs to clarify his posts better, is most certainly correct. IMO

I agree with your post 100% on both of your comments!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Tells me plenty. Tells me some people don't know the difference between "can't make it work" and "won't make it work." And this case falls into the latter, from what I can tell. DA's in biz with Ramsey lawyers, standards of proof no reasonable person could meet, and mostly, the inability to lay specific charges on specific people.

Either that or they're taking advice from qualified professionals on the inside of the investigation.


"no evidence to indicate that Patsy Ramsey executed any of the questioned material appearing on the Ransom Note."

--Richard Dusak, ABFDE, Secret Service

 

[JMO8778]

here's an excellent analysis of the RN,and btw-I have never once seen any expert say a foreigner wrote it ! :

http://66.98.176.96/~tricia/forums/showthread.php?t=6404

scroll down to post no. 7,here's what it says about the gender of the author:

The Argamon and Koppel program said the ransom note author was female. In fact, the score was 1077 (female) to 464 (male).

 

[coloradokares]

Not as ridiculous as RDI standing by all their claims when local and federal LE do not. In fact, the treasury dept. says PR did not write the note, and local LE tests others against the CODIS DNA. So RDI is out on a limb right now.

BTW, there are foreigners that have better speech, handwriting, and literary abilities in English than you or I. Obviously your 'foreigners don't write that way' generalization is wrong.

I will need to see proof that the treasury departmemt saus that the note was not written by Patsy Ramsey. I cant in my wildest imagine how they even became involved.

 

[UKGuy]

I will need to see proof that the treasury departmemt saus that the note was not written by Patsy Ramsey. I cant in my wildest imagine how they even became involved.

coloradokares,
Criminal Profiler Roger L. Depue, Chief of the FBI's Behavioural Science Unit, at Quantico, thought the rn was authored by a woman, here are a few of his points:

"a group of individuals" - this usually means one person trying to appear as a group.

"a small foreign faction" - foreign to whom? A meaningless phrase.

"respect your bussiness" - misspelled, but shows an awareness of John Ramsey's business.

"posession" - again, shows the authors proclivity for pisspelling double S words.

"but not the country it serves" - a political staement inappropriate to the goal of ransom.

"withdraw $118,000.00 from your account" - shows proprietary information, i.e. knowledge of the precise amount of John Ramsey's bonus, and that it is in a bank account rather than somewhere else, as in other investments.

"Make sure you bring an adequate size attache to the bank" and "I advise you to be rested" - both maternal sounding remarks. Shows motherly. Also, why 'attache' and not the more common 'attache case'?

"You will...be...denied burial" - more likely to be said by a female than a male. Also suggests the victim is already dead. If the victim is still alive, burial would be the least of anyones concerns.

"gentlemen" and "watching over" - again, more likely to be used by a female.

"fat cat" - an expression common in the 1950's and 1960's. Indicates a writer in the forty-something bracket.

"Use that good southern common sense of yours" - a phrase not likely to come to mind from a Northerner. The writer is likely from the South, and knows that Ramsey is too.

search my posts for the full report.

 

[coloradokares]

I will need to see proof that the treasury departmemt saus that the note was not written by Patsy Ramsey. I cant in my wildest imagine how they even became involved.

I agree the note was written by a woman and that IMHO was indeed Patsy Ramsey But the Treasury department says it was not Patsy Now That I got to see.

 

[coloradokares]

I agree the note was written by a woman and that IMHO was indeed Patsy Ramsey But the Treasury department says it was not Patsy Now That I got to see.

Holdon blows me away!! Did you see that post that the Treasury Departmet says it could not have been Patsy Ramsey! How did the Treasury department get involved that alone make that conclusion?

 

[Ames]

I will need to see proof that the treasury departmemt saus that the note was not written by Patsy Ramsey. I cant in my wildest imagine how they even became involved.

My husband works for them, and neither can I. The Treasury dept. is the IRS, Customs and now ATF...I don't think that they would be experts at handwriting samples.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Ask your husband, maybe he can explain it to you.

 

[Blondieskatz]

You have to admit that small foreign faction was pretty stupid. I mean if he get a bonus of $118,000.00 you would think one of them would have had the bright idea to ask for maybe just a little more. Oh, I don't know like maybe $125,000.00. I mean after all that was a bonus! How much was the man worth. A true kidnapper would have known, but not this one. I wonder if they knew how much they were going to ask for ransom? Or did they just play it by ear? Or were they going to decide when they got in and kidnapped JB and then sat down to write the ransom note?

Which brings up another question. Why not bring a note with them? How did they know they would have the time to sit and write a note after they killed JB? I would hope that if there was a small group of men in my home and they should have been panicky, I would be able to hear them.

That what makes The R's so obvious.

 

[UKGuy]

You have to admit that small foreign faction was pretty stupid. I mean if he get a bonus of $118,000.00 you would think one of them would have had the bright idea to ask for maybe just a little more. Oh, I don't know like maybe $125,000.00. I mean after all that was a bonus! How much was the man worth. A true kidnapper would have known, but not this one. I wonder if they knew how much they were going to ask for ransom? Or did they just play it by ear? Or were they going to decide when they got in and kidnapped JB and then sat down to write the ransom note?

Which brings up another question. Why not bring a note with them? How did they know they would have the time to sit and write a note after they killed JB? I would hope that if there was a small group of men in my home and they should have been panicky, I would be able to hear them.

That what makes The R's so obvious.

Blondieskatz,
The most obvious red flag is that the rn demands cash for the safe return of JonBenet, but she is lying dead down in the basement, so the rn is staging, just like the size-12's.

There is no IDI theory currently available that explains all the available forensic evidence!

 

[Ames]

Ask your husband, maybe he can explain it to you.

I will and I will let you know what he said, he is not here as I type this post, but will be home shortly. I do know that they have a computer expert that works in his office, and whenever a pedophile is arrested, they take his computer, and check for child , and this guy can take every single image that has ever been downloaded off of it, even if it has been deleted. They had to put blinds up in his office, because the images were too disturbing for the other employees.

I asked him, and he said.."all of the financial government agencies in the Treasury Department.. do have handwriting experts." IRS, Bureau of the Mint, Customs (before 9/11...now they are under Homeland Security), ATF...etc.

 

[Ames]

You have to admit that small foreign faction was pretty stupid. I mean if he get a bonus of $118,000.00 you would think one of them would have had the bright idea to ask for maybe just a little more. Oh, I don't know like maybe $125,000.00. I mean after all that was a bonus! How much was the man worth. A true kidnapper would have known, but not this one. I wonder if they knew how much they were going to ask for ransom? Or did they just play it by ear? Or were they going to decide when they got in and kidnapped JB and then sat down to write the ransom note?

Which brings up another question. Why not bring a note with them? How did they know they would have the time to sit and write a note after they killed JB? I would hope that if there was a small group of men in my home and they should have been panicky, I would be able to hear them.

That what makes The R's so obvious.

How did the small foreign faction know what John's bonus was for that year...reportedly 118,000.00 and some odd cents. I guess that they were psychic too. I had the same question...why not bring a note with them? Just write it and stick it in their pocket and bring it along with them, why wait until they get into the Ramsey home to do that....not knowing when the Rams would be back from the party. The SFF would not have known WHERE the Rams were....heck, they could have just went to the grocery store or something, how did the SFF know WHEN the Rams would be back, and that they would have the time that they needed to write that almost three page ransom note...the "War and Peace" of all ransom notes? How did they even know that the family was together. Burke could have been at a friends house, JB could have been at friends house, John could have gone to get gas, Patsy could have been in the shower. There is no way that they could have possibly known just exactly where the Rams were, and how long they would be gone.

 

[Ames]

Blondieskatz,
The most obvious red flag is that the rn demands cash for the safe return of JonBenet, but she is lying dead down in the basement, so the rn is staging, just like the size-12's.

There is no IDI theory currently available that explains all the available forensic evidence!

The IDI's say that Patsy's fibers just "floated down" into the basement and ended up in the paint tote, on the tape over JB's mouth and entwined in the garrotte, because she LIVED there...so of COURSE her fibers would be in those places..... yeah, right....sure it would. Oh...and some of them say that they were transfered ON to JB when Patsy tucked her in, or whatever...and that JB carried the fibers on her down to the basement, when the intruder took her down there.

 

[JMO8778]

How did the small foreign faction know what John's bonus was for that year...reportedly 118,000.00 and some odd cents. I guess that they were psychic too. I had the same question...why not bring a note with them? Just write it and stick it in their pocket and bring it along with them, why wait until they get into the Ramsey home to do that....not knowing when the Rams would be back from the party. The SFF would not have known WHERE the Rams were....heck, they could have just went to the grocery store or something, how did the SFF know WHEN the Rams would be back, and that they would have the time that they needed to write that almost three page ransom note...the "War and Peace" of all ransom notes? How did they even know that the family was together. Burke could have been at a friends house, JB could have been at friends house, John could have gone to get gas, Patsy could have been in the shower. There is no way that they could have possibly known just exactly where the Rams were, and how long they would be gone.

yes and Hold tried to make it sound silly to ask for the amt of 118,000 in cash;to a millionaire that wouldn't be a lot of money,and I think it could easily be asked for without suspicion,esp. if it's the same amt of what the bonus check was for-and for that matter,where was that check found,had it been deposited already? was it in the R's home? either way,all he had to do was say just give me the bonus amt in cash,I'm going on a trip.he was worth millions at the time,would that have really raised any eyebrows?

 

[UKGuy]

The IDI's say that Patsy's fibers just "floated down" into the basement and ended up in the paint tote, on the tape over JB's mouth and entwined in the garrotte, because she LIVED there...so of COURSE her fibers would be in those places..... yeah, right....sure it would. Oh...and some of them say that they were transfered ON to JB when Patsy tucked her in, or whatever...and that JB carried the fibers on her down to the basement, when the intruder took her down there.

Ames,

Spot on! The IDI's theories are pretty vacuous, there is not one constructive IDI theory posted in this thread, its all punch and judy rhetoric, it serves no postive purpose as it neither clarifies old theories or offers new ones.


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[DeeDee249]

How did the small foreign faction know what John's bonus was for that year...reportedly 118,000.00 and some odd cents. I guess that they were psychic too. I had the same question...why not bring a note with them? Just write it and stick it in their pocket and bring it along with them, why wait until they get into the Ramsey home to do that....not knowing when the Rams would be back from the party. The SFF would not have known WHERE the Rams were....heck, they could have just went to the grocery store or something, how did the SFF know WHEN the Rams would be back, and that they would have the time that they needed to write that almost three page ransom note...the "War and Peace" of all ransom notes? How did they even know that the family was together. Burke could have been at a friends house, JB could have been at friends house, John could have gone to get gas, Patsy could have been in the shower. There is no way that they could have possibly known just exactly where the Rams were, and how long they would be gone.

Good points. Add to it the fact that NO "foreign faction" or foreigner would use the term "Use that good old Southern common sense of yours, John."
A "foreign faction", small or otherwise, would be unaware of that slang expression, and ANY stranger writing the note would never address the parent as "John". They would use the address they began the note with:
Mr. Ramsey. The note was WAY too familiar to have been written by anyone other that PR.

 

[Blondieskatz]

Blondieskatz,
The most obvious red flag is that the rn demands cash for the safe return of JonBenet, but she is lying dead down in the basement, so the rn is staging, just like the size-12's.

There is no IDI theory currently available that explains all the available forensic evidence!

I don't understand UKGuy. Do you think IDI? I realize it was all staging. I just can't even think of a reasonable explanation why an intruder would stage anything! Why would he/she/they need to? Unless of course it is someone that lives there.

So, why would an intruder do any staging at all?

 

[DeeDee249]

I don't understand UKGuy. Do you think IDI? I realize it was all staging. I just can't even think of a reasonable explanation why an intruder would stage anything! Why would he/she/they need to? Unless of course it is someone that lives there.

So, why would an intruder do any staging at all?

You may have misunderstood UKGuy. I don't think he is IDI. Not all the RDI's share exactly the same ideas on the crime. We have various ideas, though all with RDI as the basis.
While cases of stranger-murderers staging the crime scene DO occur (for shock value; to make a political or some other statement (as in the Manson murders), this case is not one of them. You are correct-if this was an intruder murder, there would be no need to stage the crime, and no need for a ransom note. If it were a TRUE kidnapping, there would have been either NO ransom note with contact with the parents made by phone OR a bona-fide RN written in a more realistic manner and (this a biggie) with handwriting that was not a possible match to one of the parents.