Parents of baby Lisa Press Release 10/21/11

[21merc7]

IIRC, the dog hit on Monday. If you read the search threads you will see on both search days a no-fly zone was requested, and media was asked to stay back and not film. On both days media was filming from a distance, but there were a few minutes each day where live feed was pulled. This is when the dogs were brought in, according to kmbc live blog. FBI and LE did not want the dogs being filmed or the helicopters disturbing them. (I'll guess blowing around scent outside is why, but that is just a guess. Maybe the dogs don't like copters, IDK.)

So the dogs only worked a few minutes on each search day. Not 17 hours for one day.

 

[lauriej]

..family attorney reacts to the S/W...

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/21/32 ... lisas.html
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An attorney who represents the parents said Friday the release of the search warrant affidavit was a distraction.

“The state wanted this sealed so that there wouldn’t be wild speculation or people over-analyzing or mis-analyzing the information,” said attorney Cyndy Short. “We’re not concerned about it. We believe Lisa is alive and will be found. This is a distraction and we continue to support this family and its search for Lisa.”

 

[21merc7]

The press release was done by the "team" that the wealthy benefactor has/is gathering and was released prior to the info on the dog hit at the house being made public (damage control). The parents had nothing to do with the press release. The parents have literally put their fate in the hands of whomever the wealthy benefactor is and whomever the wealthy benefactor retains.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

..family attorney reacts to the S/W...

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/21/32 ... lisas.html
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An attorney who represents the parents said Friday the release of the search warrant affidavit was a distraction.

“The state wanted this sealed so that there wouldn’t be wild speculation or people over-analyzing or mis-analyzing the information,” said attorney Cyndy Short. “We’re not concerned about it. We believe Lisa is alive and will be found. This is a distraction and we continue to support this family and its search for Lisa.”

I don't understand how they aren't concerned about cadaver dogs hitting on the parents home. Let alone the parents bed.

These people have officially lost their mind. And their attorney is reminding me more and more of Baez. Trust me, that's not a good thing.

 

[lauriej]

I don't understand how they aren't concerned about cadaver dogs hitting on the parents home. Let alone the parents bed.

These people have officially lost their mind. And their attorney is reminding me more and more of Baez. Trust me, that's not a good thing.

..uh-huh...

"-----so that there wouldn’t be wild speculation or people over-analyzing or mis-analyzing the information..."

( i guess we are to halt with the " over-analyzing or mis-analyzing "---and carry on...)

( ..we'll get right on that cyndy..)

 

[Donjeta]

Nope I don't see parental or guardian permission as a requirement:

http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/PatrolDivisions/DDCC/AmberAlert/aboutTheAmberPlan.html

hmm? Interesting phrase of words about amber alert in press release. JMHO

I think it is very telling. If their child was really kidnapped they would have been begging for LE to issue an Amber alert, not graciously allowing it and then acting as if they did LE an extraordinary favor.

LE actually did them a favor with the AA, because it strengthened the abduction story.

A free hint for the lawyer's office: the next time you issue a press release saying you folks want Lisa found because she is alive with an abductor, cut and paste her PHOTO in it.

 

[Karmaa]

I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths. What else are they going to say?

What could an innocent person say to convince you that they are innocent?

IMO this family is doing everything that an innocent family would do.

And yes, that includes getting lawyers, only talking to national media, telling the world all of the possible suspicious things around the case. If these people are "psyching us out" then they are diabolically brilliant. So far, there is nothing that can't be explained with an innocent explanation, if one chooses to look in that direction. Especially since most of what we know is speculation, and we do not know most of what LE knows. (Even the info released in the search warrant was fairly cryptic, obviously in case it was not sealed.) If one is only looking for the worst-case scenario they will view this case in one way, and unless that baby is found in the arms of some crazy person, they will never believe that the parents are innocent. (And even if she were found under those conditions, some people would STILL believe that the parents sold her, traded her for drugs or something equally evil.)

 

[Karmaa]

I agree, the agreeing to a search is meaningless, LE was going to search either way; the lawyers probably told them it would look better to agree to the search.

Actually that's not necessarily correct. LE needs probable cause and they did not have it.

Until they had the "hit" by the search dog, there was not PC for a warrant (as proven by the fact that no search warrant existed before. LE would have gotten it as soon as they possibly could if they had the PC.) So the family actually gave them the opportunity to search the house, which led to the search warrant. Had they refused to allow LE to search, LE would not have had probable cause.

If they were guilty of something bad, they would certainly have refused to allow LE to search on Monday 10/17. Since they now have legal counsel, they would absolutely have been told to not allow the search if there was any teeny, remote possibility that they are guilty.

The fact that they allowed this search indicates to me that they are either innocent, or incredibly arrogant. And there is no evidence of the latter.

 

[Donjeta]

..family attorney reacts to the S/W...

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/21/32 ... lisas.html
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An attorney who represents the parents said Friday the release of the search warrant affidavit was a distraction.

“The state wanted this sealed so that there wouldn’t be wild speculation or people over-analyzing or mis-analyzing the information,” said attorney Cyndy Short. “We’re not concerned about it. We believe Lisa is alive and will be found. This is a distraction and we continue to support this family and its search for Lisa.”

How do they know it's a distraction? If the mother was blacked out and never checked on Lisa after 7 pm or so, the abductor had the run of the house for several hours and could have done unspeakable things. I would be beside myself if I had a child missing and cadaver dogs hit in my house.

 

[luckyme]

You know, I gave them the benefit of the doubt at the beginning. Its their own actions that scream somethings not right. Sorry! After i saw a couple of the interviews i changed my mind. Who in the heck Lawyers up with a high profile attorney from New York when u have a missing child? Didnt see them out searching once. timeline changing. No local media, come on! I would be knocking down every door in Kansas city and driving the highways looking for my child. I would probally be in a mental institution because of grief not on national tv. moo !!The article yesterday on kctv5 said they are putting up billboards! What day is this for the missing baby? That came out right when the search warrant was released. How convenient. The lawyers have been spinning their defense for a whiile now. moo :twocents:

 

[loveandhugs]

I'd also like to add that it seems (and, this press release makes it more apparent) that the parents are more concerned about defending themselves and making the public think they are doing everything right as opposed to being concerned about bringing their daughter home.

At this point, if you truly are cooperating with LE, that's fantastic..continue to do so. Continue to give 10000 more statements and interviews, pass out flyers, make public pleas, etc. Those are all things that will help bring your child home!! Hiring attorneys, going on 10,000 media blitzes informing the country that you were drunk and unable to watch your child, etc. is not going to help.

This should be about bringing Lisa home.

Excellent post.

The parents want the public to believe they are being made victims by LE, not that their daughter is the victim. They want the attention taken off of them everytime they state, "this is about Lisa". Yes it is about Lisa, about finding Lisa and the parents are not helping with their changing stories, they are more worried about protecting their image as grieving parents.

If DB and JI truly want to find Lisa they should cooperate with LE. If LE charges them with Lisa's disappearance, that is when they should seek the help of a lawyer, not before. Lisa is the victim in all this, not the parents, who seem to want to make the public think they are. Unfortunately Lisa didn't find a New York attorney to defend her from harm! :furious:

JMO, is the kidnapper named "zanny".

Was there ever really a kitten? I wonder if kitten hairs were found in the bed?

 

[ziggy]

I'm just watching - I can see this going either way but I'm not ready to say I think the parents are involved. Could they be? Sure, but LE could also be going in the wrong direction. I'm not going to buy into "they act guilty" and "if it were me..." because I want more facts and some evidence. I pray to God they find this baby alive.

 

[luckyme]

I'm just watching - I can see this going either way but I'm not ready to say I think the parents are involved. Could they be? Sure, but LE could also be going in the wrong direction. I'm not going to buy into "they act guilty" and "if it were me..." because I want more facts and some evidence. I pray to God they find this baby alive.

I pray they find her alive too! I think they have something more than what was released yesterday though! moo I would be so happy to say i was wrong about this case. moo :seeya:

 

[josie1986]

Here is the 2 page Press Release(please merge if need be)

**Oops sorry n/t.. Guess a link would be nice, huh?.. I'm via mobile so nothing appears on my screen anything like what's seen on laptop screens and monitors..lol..here ya go..
http://www.kmbc.com/download/2011/1021/29552279.pdf

just logging in and catching up on everything.....

IMO what a load of BS, i'd believe LE over this pair any day of the week,i want to know what their explanation of the decomp hit is?

they've spend 40hours with LE since lisa disappeared,18days ago? so thats about 2hours a day....not good enough IMO i'd be banging down their door,constantly calling them everything i could possibly do but then again i wouldnt harm my kids JMO

every time i hear them talking or read something theyve said i just have the need to scream STFU and tell us where she is :banghead::furious:

 

[Karmaa]

You know, I gave them the benefit of the doubt at the beginning. Its their own actions that scream somethings not right. Sorry! After i saw a couple of the interviews i changed my mind. Who in the heck Lawyers up with a high profile attorney from New York when u have a missing child? Didnt see them out searching once. timeline changing. No local media, come on! I would be knocking down every door in Kansas city and driving the highways looking for my child. I would probally be in a mental institution because of grief not on national tv. moo !!The article yesterday on kctv5 said they are putting up billboards! What day is this for the missing baby? That came out right when the search warrant was released. How convenient. The lawyers have been spinning their defense for a whiile now. moo :twocents:

<modsnip> And why fault the family for being on national TV?:waitasec:

It seems to me that national TV will mean that millions of people will see the case and be looking for the child (including people in MO). But putting pictures on trees and light posts in their local area is not going to get anywhere near the same attention.

People put up signs because they can't get the national attention for their missing loved ones. That is one of the least effective ways to get attention. If the people who put up the missing posters had the chance to get the media involved, they would jump at the opportunity.

 

[luckyme]

<modsnip> And why fault the family for being on national TV?:waitasec:

It seems to me that national TV will mean that millions of people will see the case and be looking for the child (including people in MO). But putting pictures on trees and light posts in their local area is not going to get anywhere near the same attention.

People put up signs because they can't get the national attention for their missing loved ones. That is one of the least effective ways to get attention. If the people who put up the missing posters had the chance to get the media involved, they would jump at the opportunity.

First part is a figure of speech. I didnt get warm fuzzys from mom. second part said they were researching billboards for highways. http://www.kctv5.com/story/15768295/family-of-lisa-irwin

We will have to agree to disagree! moo :seeya:

 

[~n/t~]

Excellent post.

The parents want the public to believe they are being made victims by LE, not that their daughter is the victim. They want the attention taken off of them everytime they state, "this is about Lisa". Yes it is about Lisa, about finding Lisa and the parents are not helping with their changing stories, they are more worried about protecting their image as grieving parents.

If DB and JI truly want to find Lisa they should cooperate with LE. If LE charges them with Lisa's disappearance, that is when they should seek the help of a lawyer, not before. Lisa is the victim in all this, not the parents, who seem to want to make the public think they are. Unfortunately Lisa didn't find a New York attorney to defend her from harm! :furious:

JMO, is the kidnapper named "zanny".

Was there ever really a kitten? I wonder if kitten hairs were found in the bed?

I asked the same question about the kitty on another thread wondering if the kitty story is true and if so, could it have been the source for the deceased human scent "hit" by the cadaver dog.

Still holding out hope for Baby Lisa. I know motive is not required in a case but it does help. I just don't see a motive here for either or both parents to harm the child. As far as I know, they're not drug dealers nor do they have a checkered past with LE. No child abuse records as far as we know. They both got custody of their children from former relationships.

I just don't get it.

 

[Donjeta]

I asked the same question about the kitty on another thread wondering if the kitty story is true and if so, could it have been the source for the deceased human scent "hit" by the cadaver dog.

Still holding out hope for Baby Lisa. I know motive is not required in a case but it does help. I just don't see a motive here for either or both parents to harm the child. As far as I know, they're not drug dealers nor do they have a checkered past with LE. No child abuse records as far as we know. They both got custody of their children from former relationships.

I just don't get it.

Do you mean the kitten died and the dog smelled decomp from that? Or that the kitten had belonged to a person who died and the smell came as a transfer from the deceased?

I am not an expert but from what I understand well trained dogs do not hit on animal decomposition. If it was transferred smell why is it beside the bed? IIRC DB said the kitten was in bed with them.

 

[SilkySifaka]

I asked the same question about the kitty on another thread wondering if the kitty story is true and if so, could it have been the source for the deceased human scent "hit" by the cadaver dog.

Still holding out hope for Baby Lisa. I know motive is not required in a case but it does help. I just don't see a motive here for either or both parents to harm the child. As far as I know, they're not drug dealers nor do they have a checkered past with LE. No child abuse records as far as we know. They both got custody of their children from former relationships.

I just don't get it.

Neither do I n/t. Everything points to parents who loved their kids (drinking problem notwithstanding, yes alcoholics can love their kids).

If she killed her imo it was a snapping, or an accidental death that might legally be called murder but really was a lashing out with no intention to kill - thats what i mean by accidental or snapping.

A frantic and fast cover up, not a planned murder

 

[~n/t~]

Do you mean the kitten died and the dog smelled decomp from that? Or that the kitten had belonged to a person who died and the smell came as a transfer from the deceased?

I am not an expert but from what I understand well trained dogs do not hit on animal decomposition. If it was transferred smell why is it beside the bed? IIRC DB said the kitten was in bed with them.

Human not animal. We don't know where this stray kitty was prior to being adopted by the Irwins. If true about the kitty.